Iran--puppet master? US has 'proof' of Irans help in the insurgent community

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    FROM FOXNEWS (and we know how those people are :cuckoo: :rolleyes:)
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    Gates: U.S. Has Evidence That Iran's Helping Insurgents in Iraq
    Friday, February 09, 2007

    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
    SEVILLE, Spain — Serial numbers and other markings on bombs suggest that Iranians are linked to deadly explosives used by Iraqi militants, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday in some of the administration's first public assertions on evidence the military has collected.

    While the Bush administration and military officials have repeatedly said Iranians have been tied to terrorist bombings in Iraq, they have said little about evidence to bolster such claims, including any documents and other items collected in recent raids in Iraq.

    National security officials in Washington and Iraq have been working for weeks on a presentation intended to provide evidence for Bush administration claims of what they say are Iran's meddlesome and deadly activities.

    The materials — which in their classified form include slides and some two inches of documents — provide evidence of Iran's role in supplying Iraqi militants with highly sophisticated and lethal improvised explosive devices and other weaponry. They also lay out Iranian efforts to train Iraqis in military techniques.

    Yet, government officials say there is some disagreement about how much to make public to support the administration's case. Intelligence officials worry the sources of their information could dry up.

    Among the evidence the administration will present are weapons that were seized in U.S.-led raids on caches around Iraq, one military official in Washington said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

    Other evidence includes documents captured when U.S.-led forces raided an Iranian office Jan. 11 in Irbil in northern Iraq, the official said. Tehran said it was a government liaison office, but the U.S. military said five Iranians detained in the raid were connected to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard faction that funds and arms insurgents in Iraq.

    The assertions have been met with skepticism by some lawmakers still fuming over intelligence reports used by the administration to propel the country to war with Iraq in 2003. Gates' comments came as a new Pentagon inspector general's report criticized prewar Defense Department assertions of Al Qaeda connections to Iraq.

    Speaking with reporters in Seville, Spain, on Friday before traveling to Munich, Gates told reporters that markings on explosives provide "pretty good" evidence that Iranians are supplying either weapons or technology for Iraqi extremists.

    "I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found" that point to Iran, he said.

    Gates' remarks left unclear how the U.S. knows the serial numbers are traceable to Iran and whether such weapons would have been sent to Iraq by the Iranian government or by private arms dealers.

    Explosives have been a leading killer of U.S. forces in Iraq, where more than 3,000 U.S. troops have died in the nearly four-year-old war.

    In Iraq on Friday, the military reported three more American soldiers killed in combat, pushing the U.S. death toll to 33 in the first eight days of the month.

    Separately, U.S. helicopters targeting insurgents mistakenly killed at least five allied Kurdish militiamen in the northern city of Mosul early Friday.

    Last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad had been planning to brief reporters on what was known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior officials had delayed the briefing to assure the information was accurate.

    On Friday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said such information would come from U.S. officials in Iraq, though she did not say when.

    "There has been discussion about how to detail out some of that evidence," she told reporters. "Decisions on that are being made out of Baghdad."

    State Department spokesman Tom Casey said Friday that officials hoping to publicly release the information face another problem as well.

    He said, "Under the circumstances and given the attention that this has gotten, we want to make sure that we provide you the best information possible but do so in a way that doesn't compromise sources and methods, that doesn't make it harder for us to deal with the situation that's there."

    Gates also told reporters that he was surprised that raids last month by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.

    "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some," he said.

    He and other U.S. officials have said for some time that Iranians, and possibly the government of Iran, have been providing weapons technology and perhaps some explosives to Iraqi fighters.

    Gates, who attended his first NATO defense ministers meeting in Seville this week before flying to Munich for a security conference, said Iran is "very much involved in providing either the technology or the weapons themselves for these explosively formed projectiles."

    He acknowledged the Iranian weapons are not a large percentage of the roadside bombs used in Iraq, but he said, "They're extremely lethal."

    Gates said the recent raids combined with the movement of an additional U.S. aircraft carrier into the Persian Gulf have created a stir, but he said the Bush administration had no intention of attacking Iran.

    Asked about the Defense Department inspector general's report criticizing the Pentagon's use of prewar intelligence, Gates said he hadn't yet read it.

    But, he added, "based on my whole career, I believe that all intelligence activities need to be carried on through established institutions, and where there is appropriate oversight. And if the intelligence isn't adequate, then changes need to be made in these institutions to improve the intelligence."
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    yay Robert Gates has been in office for a few months and already is accusing nations of helping out 'the terrorists' :)eusa_wall: ). So do you think Iran is aiding the 'terrorists'?

    I dont think so, Iran would be stupid to do so. Syria, yes maybe. But Iran knows that its precious uranium will go bye bye if the US finds out that they're helping out the insergents.
     
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    So you think Syria moves without Iran? LOL!
     
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    are you suggesting that an arab sunni baathist secular regime takes its marching orders from a shiite persian theocracy?

    please explain.
     
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    Weapons from US manufacturers as well as NATO countries have also been found in the hands of insurgents. But more importantly, there has been no word from the Pentagon, the CIA, the DIA the NSA or any other US security/intel organization to support the claim that Iran supplied the displayed weapons. Just today General Peter Pace stated that there was no certainty that these weapons had been provided by the Iranian government.

    Also of note, funds and support for the Sunni insurgents are coming from Saudi Arabia(1, 2). This is noteworthy in that 19 of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but no US troops currently occupy Riyadh. Given that far more evidence exists supporting the charges of Saudi support for Sunni insurgents in Iraq that for the Iranian government supplying weapons, one can only wonder why Chimpy and Co aren't agitating for the invasion of Saudi Arabia.

    Interestingly the most recent spate of chopper crashes occurred over Sunni controlled segments of Iraq soon after Sunni insurgents claimed that "..."God has granted new ways" to threaten U.S. aircraft.."(3). So how why do we hear nothing but the crickets on the lawn from Chimpy and Co when it comes to Saudi Arabia and the financing and arming of the Sunni insurgents in Iraq?

    And, of course, given that the rhetoric being used in an attempt to gin up the nation for a war against Iran is almost identical to that used in the run up to the invasion of Iraq as to be indistinguishable. And, as we all now know, there were no WMD's in Iraq. No reconstituted nuclear weapons program. No RPV's to carry bio/chem agents across the ocean. No biological agent factories hidden in tractor trailers. No centrifuges, let alone tubes, for refining uranium. No yellow-cake uranium, from anywhere, that could have been refined even if they had the centrifuges. In short, Chimpy and Co have little credibility at home and none abroad when it comes to trying to justify military action against Iran as a result of their confabulating, cherry-picking, overstating and out right lying about the "intelligence" used to justify the invasion of Iraq.


    1. <a href= http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235407,00.html>FOX News</a>

    2. <a href= http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=2708253>ABC News</a>

    3. <a href=http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/04/iraq.helicopter.ap/index.html>CNN</a>
     
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    Exactly. I actually believe Saudi Arabia is more of a supporter of insurgents/terrorists than Iran is. Iran might be helping out the terrorists, might, but as I said before. They are already on thin ice and dont want to lose their nuclear capibilities. But I'm not saying we shouldnt keep a sharp eye on them because their leader is pretty crazy, and his people even think so (so our media says).

    Infact, I actually think Saudi Arabia and Pakistan actually has the most terrorists. I think we should be having some 'special talks' with them.
     
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    And Syria's weapons are mostly through which group? And that group is supplied by which country?
     
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    Indeed. What we are, therefore, seeing is a proxy-war in Iraq, between Sunni and Shi'ia powers in the region...With US forces caught in the middle. All the more reason to diplomatically engage ALL parties in the region to help support and stabilize Iraq and bring some measure of sanity to that burnt and blasted land. And yes, that would mean talking to Iran and Syria.
     
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    I didn't read the word "proof" anywhere in your quoted article. But then again, we know how you are. :cuckoo: :rolleyes:
     
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    This is the same as "Serial numbers and other markings"?
     
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    In Chimpy's press conference today, he stated that he was "certain" Iran was supplying Iraqi insurgents with weapons. Oddly, General Peter Pace seems far less certain, in fact he stated that he "has no evidence" of any such link.

    But we must remember that Chimpy and Co was "certain" that WMD's, the heart of the Administration's whole <i>causus belli</i> were present in Iraq. But, as we have since seen, there were no WMD's in Iraq...None...Zero...Zip...Nada. Since there seems to be little agreement, and no independently documented evidence, to support the Administration's claims against Iran, it seems likely that those claims are as credible as the WMD claims made prior to the invasion of Iraq. As in lacking any credibility.
     

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