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    Hypothesis contrary to fact. Children, people, are not possessions.

    You know, when I wrote the prior post, I thought, surely he's evolved enough not going to broach the odious and irrational "people as possessions" line. Sure as God made little green apples, that is precisely where you went.

    That really doesn't answer the question I posed. Yes or no alone does. The gun qualifier pales by comparison for it establishes for yourself the option that you might consider your "prized possessions" worth killing for, albeit using an implement other than a gun.
     
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    Low noise bullets are much reduced in powder charge and thus range is affected.

    The Vegas sniper was going for volume of fire rather than accuracy.

    This got him into 3rd place behind Bin Laden and McVeigh for mass murder in the USA.

    3rd place is like kissing your sister.

    No points for 2nd place either.
     
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    ... rather difficult to conceal it or reach out several hundred yards with it though.
     
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    Correct. Thanks.
     
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    Loosely, yes; he bothered to do the bullet drop calculations and test firings over that range to the crowds to make sure he had his sights aligned correctly for the loads he was firing, so he had a general concern for accuracy. He also knew to spread his pattern out enough to hit close to 600 people.
     
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    This whole story is getting stranger day by day. The start and end of the shooting spree was in the hotel.
     
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    KEW - Rail gun.
     
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    True. This morning on the news, I heard that a security guard had gone up to his room, and he shot the guard in the leg a full SIX MINUTES BEFORE he broke out the windows and started shooting at the concert goers.

    Then, he has a full 10 to 15 min. of free fire into the crowd, killing and injuring a lot of people.

    It was a full 72 min after the initial 911 call from the concert goers before they breached the door and entered the room to find him dead.

    My question is, if the security guard knew there was a shooter in that room (he had been shot in the leg), then why did it take so long for them to get to the room? You would think that within 10 min. of the guard being shot that the whole floor would have been crawling with cops.
     
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    Not needed but a type of KEW. The KEW debuted on the eastern front in WWII with the discarding sabot surrounding a tungsten fired at tanks.
     
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    Great question and I wish I had a great answer.
     

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