Interesting article on guns in Japan

[frigidweirdo]

Go ahead punch yourself in the face, Muslims will never and have never tolerated any other religion/faith if they control the country they live in. Snowflake

I don't think leftists know this about Muslims. Most on the Left know nothing of history or have distorted it to fit they crazy narrative.

They still bring up the Crusades to justify Islamic murder...when anyone who has studied the Crusades knows it was an effort by Christians to stop Muslims from murdering Christians. The Crusades would never have happened had Islam been peaceful.

I know a lot about Muslims, I've been to various Muslim countries in Africa and Asia, and have Muslim friends. I also know about the history of Islam, and yet I get told by people with no clue how wrong I am.

So...because you know Muslims and have been to Muslim countries, you deny that Islam grew by the sword. Is that right?

I grew up near Dearborn Mi. I knew a few Muslims and got to know their culture. I found nearly all were nice good people. This in no way prevents me from understanding the history of Islam.

Why do you deny reality?

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

 

[Unkotare]

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We don't have highly educated people .....

Who is "we"?

Americans.....

Millions of Americans have advanced degrees.

 

[Unkotare]

The Japanese culture is much different than the US culture. Our entertainment is much more violent than most of the world, the family unit is not as strong as the other countries.

There is plenty of very violent entertainment in Japan as well.

 

[danielpalos]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

 

[owebo]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

A polite society is an armed society.....

 

[danielpalos]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

A polite society is an armed society.....

Did Detroit miss the memo?

 

[owebo]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

A polite society is an armed society.....

Did Detroit miss the memo?

No, democrats got the memo....and oppressed peoples rights as usual....

 

[Unkotare]

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For a vast majority of Japanese, conformity is not just a general rule that should be followed, it's practically a commandment.... .

How did you find the time to survey "a vast majority of Japanese"?

 

[Unkotare]

.... When they do go into a criminal lifestyle, the main group is their version of the Mob, the Yakuza. .....

Who told you that?

 

[danielpalos]

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

gun lovers claim people are simply nicer to each other if they are all Armed.

A polite society is an armed society.....

Did Detroit miss the memo?

No, democrats got the memo....and oppressed peoples rights as usual....

why do you say that? i could guess that there are more guns in Detroit, than in some entire red States.

 

[Wry Catcher]

All countries compared for Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate per million people

Japan simply has low crime. Has nothing to do with guns.

They still have crime, but at the rate of 4 per million population.

They are 7th lowest in the world.

Monaco and Palau are the lowest in the world with virtually no crime.

The top most violent 98 countries in the world already make guns illegal and it has not changed anything there.

The USA is 99th. We are about in the middle -- the median.

And most US crime is committed in states like Calif and NYS which already limit or prohibit guns.

So your thinking on this is a fallacy. No logic to it at all.

Most murders - Louisiana. They also lock the most people up. Apparently locking people up solves crime problems. Oh, you want fallacies, huh?

--------------------------------------------------------- and this talk about murders in the USA . People murder with guns , knives , pills , clubs , hammers and all kindsa implements . Guns though allow a five foot , 100 pound women to protect herself from a 260 pound violent thug FWierdo .

Guns allow a coward to shoot, kill and maim scores of people in a matter of minutes.

And guns allow weaker and outnumbered law abiding citizens to fight off stronger, more aggressive and more numerous thugs.........

And considering the actual fact....in the 1990s we had 200 million guns in private hands and 4.7 million Americans carried guns for self defense in 1997, and in 2016 we now have 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...

and our gun murder rate went down 47%......that shows that law abiding Americans owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun murder rate....and studies show it helps lower the crime and murder rate......


That is a fact....and it destroys the primary argument that you and the other anti gunners have...

(Does) A gun possessed possess the person and change their behavior? Do they take risks they might ordinarily (unarmed) not take? Do they seek confrontations they might avoid if not carrying? Do some carry with the Walter Mitty dream of being the hero, or is that now called the Zimmerman Syndrome?

BTW, Much of scientific evidence is based upon a correlation of variables – they are observed to occur together. Scientists are careful to point out that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. The assumption that A causes B simply because A correlates with B is often not accepted as a legitimate form of argument.

 

[PredFan]

All countries compared for Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate per million people

Japan simply has low crime. Has nothing to do with guns.

They still have crime, but at the rate of 4 per million population.

They are 7th lowest in the world.

Monaco and Palau are the lowest in the world with virtually no crime.

The top most violent 98 countries in the world already make guns illegal and it has not changed anything there.

The USA is 99th. We are about in the middle -- the median.

Switzerland has MORE guns per capita than the USA and it is among the LOWEST crime rates -- 182nd .

And most US crime is committed in states like Calif and NYS which already limit or prohibit guns.

So your thinking on this is a fallacy. No logic to your thinking and rhetoric at all.

Loser !!

You quickly and efficiently killed the OP. Nice shooting.

 

[PredFan]

The murder and general crime rate has much more to do with culture than anything else.

 

[Nia88]

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We don't have highly educated people .....

Who is "we"?

Americans.....

Millions of Americans have advanced degrees.

But not at the rate of other first world countries. It's a big deal in Europe if you don't finish university. It's like finishing high school. But here it's acceptable to not finish university and that shouldn't be.

 

[SavannahMann]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

There is a lot more going on than the presence, or absence of guns regarding Japan. The differences are far more than who has a pistol, or rifle, and who doesn't. There are cultural differences that are almost beyond the imagining of people.

I watched a documentary about the Fukushima disaster. It was filmed after the disaster of course, and all the workers except the manager had their faces blurred. The reason according to the documentary was that the workers were ashamed that the accident had happened, and did not wish to have their faces shown to the world, or their neighbors.

We blur faces, but when there is a child involved, or some imaginary threat to the individual. A security reason, we don't want the terrorists to know that the guy talking is a special forces soldier or spy.

Also in the documentary, the refugees were eating government handout food. One man sighed and said that the food was always the same, and it would be nice to have some variety. Another set his chop sticks down and said he couldn't eat it, it was not good food. None of them rushed to the counter screaming or shouting. None of them were pounding on the table demanding better food. They took it, and ate it, or not.

For a vast majority of Japanese, conformity is not just a general rule that should be followed, it's practically a commandment. When they do go into a criminal lifestyle, the main group is their version of the Mob, the Yakuza. Failure is not accepted, and to beg forgiveness you sacrifice a finger.

But it's more than just the conformity social norm. It's the obedience norm. If a man gets fired, he doesn't want revenge for firing him. He is ashamed because he did not work hard enough, was not good enough, and failed. The fault is his, not the company, nor the world. In America, when you fire someone, there is a chance that the guy or girl will come back and want revenge. Because they are the ones who are special, they have been told so through their entire life.

There is a lot going on between the two societies, and I haven't even chipped away at the iceberg. To join Japan in the low murder rates, we would have to do a lot more that abandon guns. That's the same surface, and addresses nothing underneath that surface. Are you willing to bow and show respect to a Republican President? Are you willing to unquestionably accept him as the leader?

I am independent enough to believe that those in power above me are not always right. And I want the freedom to tell you that you are missing the point of pretty much everything in the comparison.

Yes, of course there are differences, and massive differences. I've been to Japan and at times felt lost.

That doesn't mean that Japan's strict gun laws don't stop murders. It might mean that you have to be careful and understand the context of something.

However EVERY first world country has a lower murder rate than the US. People try and pass off all comparisons because they know they're onto a losing thing.

Yet, if we were to go with the presence, or absence of firearms as the only criteria, then Switzerland throws the entire issue into question.

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

So would you object to Swiss like laws in the US? I bet you would. Would you object to Japanese like police interrogations? I damn sure would. You can't just pick one thing, and say we need to change that one thing and we can have less crime.

Norway has the most liberal of prison policies I've ever heard of, yet they have a lower recidivism rate than we do. So getting rid of guns which is a literal impossibility, would have to be coupled with a widespread societal changes and revamping the Criminal Justice System.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

We can turn the police loose to use methods which our Supreme Court has found to be unconstitutional, or we can work with Criminals to show them how to live in society like Norway. Decisions, decisions. Because no two nations have exactly the same situations. Japan has low crime, but exceedingly strict enforcement and brutal police. Norway has low crime, but exceedingly liberal policies towards the treatment of Convicts. Switzerland has low crime, and high gun ownership.

I watched a show the other day when James May a Brit was describing how Americans and Germans view things. The question was what happens when you lose your driving license. The American asked the German what happened if you drove with a suspended or revoked license. The German replied that was impossible, you had no license, and could not drive. But what if it's really late, and you decide to go to the store or a restaurant or something. No, it is impossible, you have no license, and can not drive.

The average German can't imagine breaking the rules. That has been the situation in Germany for far more than a Century. Before WW I the Kaiser laughed and said that there would be no revolution in Germany until things got so bad that the revolution could be announced on official placards posted on every street corner. That was literally the truth as World War One ended.

Japanese workers show up an hour early, minimum, and stay an hour late, again minimum. All without pay for those hours. I would not want to see that mentality take root here. Worse, I would hate to see what our elected leaders would do with an obedient and compliant people.

All these attitudes are different from nation to nation. Those stresses are tearing the EU apart as I write this. Britain has chosen to leave, to declare their independence. France may, and Italy could well depart too. They are European, and proud, but they are British, or French, or Italian first.

We won't embrace a ban on guns just because someone else does. Many of us believe it is an Unailiable Right. Not a right guaranteed to us by the Constitution, but a right that all people have that Government has no right to interfere with. The Founders didn't decide that I have a right to possess arms. That was something that came from God, Natural Selection, Evolution, or Gaia depending on your point of view. We humans are what we are, and Americans will never be the sheep that many peoples around the world are. It would take a century of modification of the social norms before the people would accept the idea.

But I have a question. Why is it impossible to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, but no problem to ban half a billion guns?

 

[Redfish]

In Japan being a criminal makes you an outcast to society. In the USA, some criminals become celebrities. The difference is culture, not guns.

 

[Unkotare]

.... But here it's acceptable to not finish university and that shouldn't be.

That's a stupid attitude, and plenty of people in Europe go into trades rather than university. Stop trying to be a pretentious douche.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

Y'all are constantly frothing yourselves over this. Why not move on over to that paradise then?

Typical bullshit of someone without an argument.

What do you expect when you throw extremist bullshit like eradicating guns?

 

[danielpalos]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

Y'all are constantly frothing yourselves over this. Why not move on over to that paradise then?

Typical bullshit of someone without an argument.

What do you expect when you throw extremist bullshit like eradicating guns?

just indulging in Arms speculation?

Class III weapons are not banned.

 

[gipper]

I don't think leftists know this about Muslims. Most on the Left know nothing of history or have distorted it to fit they crazy narrative.

They still bring up the Crusades to justify Islamic murder...when anyone who has studied the Crusades knows it was an effort by Christians to stop Muslims from murdering Christians. The Crusades would never have happened had Islam been peaceful.

I know a lot about Muslims, I've been to various Muslim countries in Africa and Asia, and have Muslim friends. I also know about the history of Islam, and yet I get told by people with no clue how wrong I am.

So...because you know Muslims and have been to Muslim countries, you deny that Islam grew by the sword. Is that right?

I grew up near Dearborn Mi. I knew a few Muslims and got to know their culture. I found nearly all were nice good people. This in no way prevents me from understanding the history of Islam.

Why do you deny reality?

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?