Interesting article on guns in Japan

[Unkotare]

But, how can that be, gun lovers insist moral virtue is instilled by gun loving, not social polices.

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Japanese born outside Japan are often looked at with envy for their presumed language skills.

Traditional cultures view gender roles as distinct, not "second class." Nonetheless, women are assuming a role more like women in the US now.

Some people don't like Koreans, just like some of the idiots posting here don't like black people or whomever. There is a large population of people whose families have been in Japan for many generations but who are ethnically Korean. Most of the antipathy toward 'Korean' is aimed at North Korea.

 

[2aguy]

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Can Koreans become citizens in Japan?

 

[2aguy]

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Keep telling us that....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/02/news/japanborn-koreans-live-in-limbo.html?_r=0

TOKYO — Chung Hyang Gyun's news conference was a sight seldom seen in Japan, the raw anger written across her face, the fury in her voice and words, the palpable feeling that these last words would somehow redeem the futility of her actions.

"I want to tell people all over the world that they shouldn't come to Japan to work," Chung said in perfect Japanese, befitting someone who has lived only in Japan. "Being a worker in Japan is no different from being a robot."

After a decade-long battle, the Supreme Court ruled recently that Chung, the daughter of a Japanese woman and a South Korean man, who was born in Japan and has lived all her life here, could not take the test to become a supervisor at a public health center because she was a foreigner.

"I have no tears to shed," said Chung, a 55-year-old nurse. "I can only laugh."

Chung is what the Japanese call a "Zainichi," a term that literally means "to stay in Japan," but that is usually shorthand for Koreans who came here during Japan's colonial rule, and their descendants. Considered outsiders both in Japan and on the Korean peninsula, they have, over the years, adopted different ways of living in Japan.

Japan has softened its attitudes toward the Zainichi, and many have become citizens and taken Japanese names. Others have taken citizenship, but kept their Korean names. Others, like Chung, have taken neither citizenship nor name. Disagreements exist, even within families.

Reaction to the court's ruling - that local governments can bar "foreigners" from holding official positions where they exercise "government power" - was split along political lines. Liberals said an aging Japan with a shrinking work force would lose by shutting out people like Chung, who could hardly be considered a "foreigner." Conservatives said foreigners like Chung should simply become Japanese citizens.

 

[2aguy]

Well....I don't know anyone who says moral virtue is instilled by loving guns...or anyone who loves guns......

Do you understand the level of outright racism, misogyny and the nationalism you morons say you hate is actually fully embraced by the Japanese people......?

Are you this dumb in real life, or just when you post on topics you know nothing about?

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Look....I like Japan.....I am not trying to attack them for their problems....every country has them...I am just responding to the left wingers here who try to make Japan into something it is not......and who try to say they don't have the same problems we have....

 

[Unkotare]

Please....deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny of the Japanese.....

Deny it of any country.

 

[Unkotare]

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Can Koreans become citizens in Japan?

Yes, though it's not easy for anyone of any ethnicity to become a citizen.

 

[2aguy]

Please....deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny of the Japanese.....

Deny it of any country.

I am not the one holding up Japan as an example for the United States....the left is...

 

[Unkotare]

Look who's talking. You are shooting your mouth off, making sweeping generalizations, based on...?

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Look....I like Japan.....I am not trying to attack them for their problems....every country has them...I am just responding to the left wingers here who try to make Japan into something it is not......and who try to say they don't have the same problems we have....

It's opponents of the 2nd Amendment who try to do that.

 

[2aguy]

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Look....I like Japan.....I am not trying to attack them for their problems....every country has them...I am just responding to the left wingers here who try to make Japan into something it is not......and who try to say they don't have the same problems we have....

It's opponents of the 2nd Amendment who try to do that.

Yep.

 

[2aguy]

Do you deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny? Really?

The way you are exaggerating it? Yes. Those things exist in all countries.

....they don't like Japanese born outside of Japan,

....that they treat women as second class citizens

....and that they treat foreigners badly...especially Koreans?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Do some people have such views? Sure, just like you'd find anywhere. Is the attitude described above some kind of national consensus? Nonsense.

Look....I like Japan.....I am not trying to attack them for their problems....every country has them...I am just responding to the left wingers here who try to make Japan into something it is not......and who try to say they don't have the same problems we have....

It's opponents of the 2nd Amendment who try to do that.

I simply try to show that they are wrong..again, I like Japan....I like Japanese people......I get tired of anti gunners lying about why they have so little gun crime.

 

[LuckyDuck]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

A racist bigoted nation. I've been there. There are signs in store windows that say "no whites" and signs that say "no Americans."

Where exactly did you see that, Mr. Fullofshit?

Sasebo Japan, you ignorant ass.

 

[danielpalos]

Please....deny the racism, nationalism and misogyny of the Japanese.....

Deny it of any country.

I am not the one holding up Japan as an example for the United States....the left is...

only when special pleading about guns.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

There is a lot more going on than the presence, or absence of guns regarding Japan. The differences are far more than who has a pistol, or rifle, and who doesn't. There are cultural differences that are almost beyond the imagining of people.

I watched a documentary about the Fukushima disaster. It was filmed after the disaster of course, and all the workers except the manager had their faces blurred. The reason according to the documentary was that the workers were ashamed that the accident had happened, and did not wish to have their faces shown to the world, or their neighbors.

We blur faces, but when there is a child involved, or some imaginary threat to the individual. A security reason, we don't want the terrorists to know that the guy talking is a special forces soldier or spy.

Also in the documentary, the refugees were eating government handout food. One man sighed and said that the food was always the same, and it would be nice to have some variety. Another set his chop sticks down and said he couldn't eat it, it was not good food. None of them rushed to the counter screaming or shouting. None of them were pounding on the table demanding better food. They took it, and ate it, or not.

For a vast majority of Japanese, conformity is not just a general rule that should be followed, it's practically a commandment. When they do go into a criminal lifestyle, the main group is their version of the Mob, the Yakuza. Failure is not accepted, and to beg forgiveness you sacrifice a finger.

But it's more than just the conformity social norm. It's the obedience norm. If a man gets fired, he doesn't want revenge for firing him. He is ashamed because he did not work hard enough, was not good enough, and failed. The fault is his, not the company, nor the world. In America, when you fire someone, there is a chance that the guy or girl will come back and want revenge. Because they are the ones who are special, they have been told so through their entire life.

There is a lot going on between the two societies, and I haven't even chipped away at the iceberg. To join Japan in the low murder rates, we would have to do a lot more that abandon guns. That's the same surface, and addresses nothing underneath that surface. Are you willing to bow and show respect to a Republican President? Are you willing to unquestionably accept him as the leader?

I am independent enough to believe that those in power above me are not always right. And I want the freedom to tell you that you are missing the point of pretty much everything in the comparison.

Yes, of course there are differences, and massive differences. I've been to Japan and at times felt lost.

That doesn't mean that Japan's strict gun laws don't stop murders. It might mean that you have to be careful and understand the context of something.

However EVERY first world country has a lower murder rate than the US. People try and pass off all comparisons because they know they're onto a losing thing.

Yet, if we were to go with the presence, or absence of firearms as the only criteria, then Switzerland throws the entire issue into question.

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

So would you object to Swiss like laws in the US? I bet you would. Would you object to Japanese like police interrogations? I damn sure would. You can't just pick one thing, and say we need to change that one thing and we can have less crime.

Norway has the most liberal of prison policies I've ever heard of, yet they have a lower recidivism rate than we do. So getting rid of guns which is a literal impossibility, would have to be coupled with a widespread societal changes and revamping the Criminal Justice System.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

We can turn the police loose to use methods which our Supreme Court has found to be unconstitutional, or we can work with Criminals to show them how to live in society like Norway. Decisions, decisions. Because no two nations have exactly the same situations. Japan has low crime, but exceedingly strict enforcement and brutal police. Norway has low crime, but exceedingly liberal policies towards the treatment of Convicts. Switzerland has low crime, and high gun ownership.

I watched a show the other day when James May a Brit was describing how Americans and Germans view things. The question was what happens when you lose your driving license. The American asked the German what happened if you drove with a suspended or revoked license. The German replied that was impossible, you had no license, and could not drive. But what if it's really late, and you decide to go to the store or a restaurant or something. No, it is impossible, you have no license, and can not drive.

The average German can't imagine breaking the rules. That has been the situation in Germany for far more than a Century. Before WW I the Kaiser laughed and said that there would be no revolution in Germany until things got so bad that the revolution could be announced on official placards posted on every street corner. That was literally the truth as World War One ended.

Japanese workers show up an hour early, minimum, and stay an hour late, again minimum. All without pay for those hours. I would not want to see that mentality take root here. Worse, I would hate to see what our elected leaders would do with an obedient and compliant people.

All these attitudes are different from nation to nation. Those stresses are tearing the EU apart as I write this. Britain has chosen to leave, to declare their independence. France may, and Italy could well depart too. They are European, and proud, but they are British, or French, or Italian first.

We won't embrace a ban on guns just because someone else does. Many of us believe it is an Unailiable Right. Not a right guaranteed to us by the Constitution, but a right that all people have that Government has no right to interfere with. The Founders didn't decide that I have a right to possess arms. That was something that came from God, Natural Selection, Evolution, or Gaia depending on your point of view. We humans are what we are, and Americans will never be the sheep that many peoples around the world are. It would take a century of modification of the social norms before the people would accept the idea.

But I have a question. Why is it impossible to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, but no problem to ban half a billion guns?

Yes there are other factors that make up how much a crime problem is going to be.

One thing is rejecting all comparisons because there are differences, and another is looking at what works within the society. Would Japan's murder rate be higher? Certainly.

If you look at Switzerland you can see certain issues at play.

Switzerland has a murder rate of 0.5 which is low. In Western Europe only Austria has a similar level (excluding Monaco).

If you look at gun deaths, then there's a different story

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

Switzerland's is 3.08, compared to the UK's 0.23, the US has 10.54.

So, Switzerland has a murder rate about 8 times lower than the US, but a gun death rate only 3 times lower. It has a murder rate half that of the UK, and a gun death rate that is 12 times higher.

Gun homicides are 0.23 for Switzerland, compared to 0.06 for the UK, or 0.00 for Japan, or 3.43 for the US.

So, again a gun homicide rate 4 times higher than the UK, but 14 times lower than the US.

What would Switzerland be like without those guns in society? Who knows, but certainly they play a part.

But the laws in Switzerland are a lot different to the US.

Switzerland has a higher GDP than the US, $80,000 to $56,000 and the US has a lot more poverty than in Switzerland. The CIA estimates Switzerland's poverty at 6.9 compared to the US's 15.1

List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty - Wikipedia

This no doubt has an impact. The US doesn't seem interested in making things more equal, or better, or getting rid of ghettos where a lot of gun violence happens. It seems to revel in the fact that this exists.

I can't really answer your question, I am not a person who believes in mass immigration as a policy. Also I don't think it would be easy to get rid of so many guns.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

Y'all are constantly frothing yourselves over this. Why not move on over to that paradise then?

Typical bullshit of someone without an argument.

What do you expect when you throw extremist bullshit like eradicating guns?

So most countries in the world are "extremist" then?

But you're still trying to come up with excuses for not having an argument.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I know a lot about Muslims, I've been to various Muslim countries in Africa and Asia, and have Muslim friends. I also know about the history of Islam, and yet I get told by people with no clue how wrong I am.

So...because you know Muslims and have been to Muslim countries, you deny that Islam grew by the sword. Is that right?

I grew up near Dearborn Mi. I knew a few Muslims and got to know their culture. I found nearly all were nice good people. This in no way prevents me from understanding the history of Islam.

Why do you deny reality?

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?

Would it? No, I don't think it would.

You're just making simplistic "solution" for a complex problem.

 

[Unkotare]

How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

Ever been to Japan? I have, much safer, nice country. Why? Well maybe because they actually give a damn about their people and their country.

A racist bigoted nation. I've been there. There are signs in store windows that say "no whites" and signs that say "no Americans."

Where exactly did you see that, Mr. Fullofshit?

Sasebo Japan, you ignorant ass.

Some shop that had been trashed by drunken sailers too many times? That's not xenophobia, fool. Being on a base isn't living there.

 

[gipper]

So...because you know Muslims and have been to Muslim countries, you deny that Islam grew by the sword. Is that right?

I grew up near Dearborn Mi. I knew a few Muslims and got to know their culture. I found nearly all were nice good people. This in no way prevents me from understanding the history of Islam.

Why do you deny reality?

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?

Would it? No, I don't think it would.

You're just making simplistic "solution" for a complex problem.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics do NOT commit the lion share of violence in America? I have to ask because your prior post was typically unclear.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I know what Islam is, and I don't particularly like Islam. Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions because they used violence.

You're asking me why I deny reality, but you have no idea what I think. How's that working for you?

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?

Would it? No, I don't think it would.

You're just making simplistic "solution" for a complex problem.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics do NOT commit the lion share of violence in America? I have to ask because your prior post was typically unclear.

No, I'm not claiming that.

However almost certainly they commit more crime because a higher percentage of them are in poverty.

 

[gipper]

Po

They USE violence! WTF!

Are you claiming there is no difference TODAY between Islam and Christianity?

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?

Would it? No, I don't think it would.

You're just making simplistic "solution" for a complex problem.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics do NOT commit the lion share of violence in America? I have to ask because your prior post was typically unclear.

No, I'm not claiming that.

However almost certainly they commit more crime because a higher percentage of them are in poverty.

Poverty does not cause crime. If it did, we would have seen a huge increase in crime during the Great Depression, instead it went down.

Facts often surprise leftists.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Po

There's lots of differences. That doesn't mean they're not both violent. Christianity has evolved into a religion where it's okay to do bad things. People don't fight in the name of Christianity so much, but are Christians doing violence. Whereas Islam has developed another way out of necessity with Jihad.

Why don't we just deport all Hispanics and Blacks? Crime would be reduced dramatically if we did...or maybe we just deport all Americans who are not Asian. Then, there would be almost no crime in America.

Is that racist in your mind?

Would it? No, I don't think it would.

You're just making simplistic "solution" for a complex problem.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics do NOT commit the lion share of violence in America? I have to ask because your prior post was typically unclear.

No, I'm not claiming that.

However almost certainly they commit more crime because a higher percentage of them are in poverty.

Poverty does not cause crime. If it did, we would have seen a huge increase in crime during the Great Depression, instead it went down.

Facts often surprise leftists.

I didn't say poverty causes crime now, did I?

This is about percentages and possibilities and what is more likely. A person in poverty is MORE LIKELY to commit crime than a person who is wealthy. Some wealthy people commit crime, some poor people don't. Trying to simplify this to simply win a point that isn't being made isn't going to help you.