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    Why is it that no matter what the religious belief or lack of belief, humans naturally assume that anyone who disagrees with them is irrational/stupid/brainwashed/etc?

    I don't believe that. I think people believe what they do for a reason. Otherwise why believe it? I think that often their positions are well reasoned in their own mind. We all have basic premises that are difficult to question because we often dont even recognize them. Its even harder to step back from them and try to look at them from another point of view.

    I think we would learn alot more from our discussions with each other if we simply stepped back and asked ourselves, what reasons do they have for their beliefs? What premises lead to them? Simply labelling people stupid or irrational because they disagree with us is arrogant and isnt reality.
     
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    There you go again, Av, trying to inject reason and common sense into a political message board. What could you possibly be thinking my friend?
     
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    Hubris, pure and simple. The assumption that one's opponents are not independent actors equal and opposed to oneself is a tragic flaw that plagues the successful.
     
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    Eh, dont tell anyone else. I think it's easier for some to just label me an idiot and be done with it. Granted, to them I probably do come across as a fool for disagreeing. But at least my professors thought myself intelligent enough to get through school with excellent grades.

    Course, I always put actual knowledge over the pieces of paper anyday. But hey, for some reason those expensive pieces of paper are ways to open doors in our society. I guess its just a convient way to filter people.
     
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    Sadly, it's a flaw most are guilty of at some point in their lives. In fact, I think it's human nature to think this. Probably as a defensive mechanism of some sort.
     
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    eagleseven Quod Erat Demonstrandum

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    I'm certain some Psychologist has written volumes on this topic ;)
     
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    Oh, I'm confident you're correct. And as interesting as it is I think I need to cut back on new books till I finish the ones ive been reading already. Ive currently been reading 4 or 5 regularly. I just never get to the point where I am done with them.
     
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    Hubris is much easier if you don't have to do it face to face :redface:
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOmasp9hr4Q"]YouTube - Psychostick - The Dumb Song[/ame]

    Even if that reason is ignorance and disinformation?

    The fallacy is evident here: one does not choose what to believe, only whether they will allow themselves to question their beliefs

    Most are too scared to question them

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    To assume it's not true they're stupid is fallacious as well [​IMG]
     
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    The ironic thing is, anyone who does this is the truly brainwashed one ... ;)
     

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