Intelligence source codenamed "Curveball" admits lying about WMD

[AmericanFirst]

SNIP:

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

read the rest here.
Democrat Quotes on WMD

The libs like truthnevermatters can't handle the truth so they probably won't even read this.

 

[miller]

Man admits to WMD lies that triggered Gulf War (The Guardian)

And he found a President gullible enough to believe him, even when evidence told a different story. Over 5,000 dead US and many more Iraqis. Nearly a Trillion dollars spent on a lie.

Bush is an obvious liar and used that lie from curve ball even though the CIA told Bush it was was a lie.

This person is a naive fool in a brainwashed trance to not know Bush lied America into war after Bush created 911.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Man admits to WMD lies that triggered Gulf War (The Guardian)

And he found a President gullible enough to believe him, even when evidence told a different story. Over 5,000 dead US and many more Iraqis. Nearly a Trillion dollars spent on a lie.

Bush is an obvious liar and used that lie from curve ball even though the CIA told Bush it was was a lie.

This person is a naive fool in a brainwashed trance to not know Bush lied America into war after Bush created 911.

Another nutjob who thinks 911 is a conspiracy by Bush? Idiot. 911 is clintons fault if it is any potus fault.

 

[Truthmatters]

Look at them blame cliton for intell that was farmed by a republican admin in late 2002.

Bush was president and had a completely R congress and could have changed it already.

 

[California Girl]

It was clintons downsized intelligence agencies that gave Bush the lies, if they were lies. Clintons fault!!!

Which was actually my point earlier in the thread - before truthdon'tmatter decided she didn't like the topic and derailed it into one of her rants about 'torture'.

Our clandestine service is a mess. And has been since Clinton fucked it up. If we had supported our clandestine service properly and given them the tools to do their job well, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in with Afghanistan and Iraq.

To be fair, Clinton certainly made things worse but our clandestine services were already completely fucked up before he left Arkansas. The methods of our Intelligence Community under Reagan and Bush '41 were completely wrong. If it didn't fit into the mold of US-Soviet style "spy vs. spy" it was only luck that anything suitable resulted at all.

That said, ignoring the threat posed by problems in the Gulf did indeed make things much worse.

Yep, you could be right.... I've only really gone back as far as Clinton to consider the clandestine service. Personally, I'd like to see us put far more emphasis on that service than we do. Technological advances were prioritized as cheaper than real eyes and ears developing real sources... big, big, big mistake. I wish we had a POTUS who recognized the importance of real people in situ.

 

[asterism]

Which was actually my point earlier in the thread - before truthdon'tmatter decided she didn't like the topic and derailed it into one of her rants about 'torture'.

Our clandestine service is a mess. And has been since Clinton fucked it up. If we had supported our clandestine service properly and given them the tools to do their job well, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in with Afghanistan and Iraq.

To be fair, Clinton certainly made things worse but our clandestine services were already completely fucked up before he left Arkansas. The methods of our Intelligence Community under Reagan and Bush '41 were completely wrong. If it didn't fit into the mold of US-Soviet style "spy vs. spy" it was only luck that anything suitable resulted at all.

That said, ignoring the threat posed by problems in the Gulf did indeed make things much worse.

Yep, you could be right.... I've only really gone back as far as Clinton to consider the clandestine service. Personally, I'd like to see us put far more emphasis on that service than we do. Technological advances were prioritized as cheaper than real eyes and ears developing real sources... big, big, big mistake. I wish we had a POTUS who recognized the importance of real people in situ.

Well it's more complicated than that, but the wrong people have been in charge of this strategy for around 30 years or so in my opinion.

 

[KissMy]

Man admits to WMD lies that triggered Gulf War (The Guardian)

And he found a President gullible enough to believe him, even when evidence told a different story. Over 5,000 dead US and many more Iraqis. Nearly a Trillion dollars spent on a lie.

So Bush was more gullible than the 374 members of congress that voted to go to war in Iraq?

More gullible than the 111 Democrat members of congress that voted to go to war in Iraq?

More gullible than Democrat hero Colin Powell who made the case for the Iraq war to the UN? (Yes I know he is actually a republican)

JimH52=Gullible Idiot

 

[Truthmatters]

Did you forget WHO produced th report on the intel the congress was given?

 

[Intense]

Off Topic Posts Were moved to Their Own Thread Titled "Torture". Try to refrain from derailing Threads and straying too far off topic. It is not fair to the Other Posters.

 

[California Girl]

To be fair, Clinton certainly made things worse but our clandestine services were already completely fucked up before he left Arkansas. The methods of our Intelligence Community under Reagan and Bush '41 were completely wrong. If it didn't fit into the mold of US-Soviet style "spy vs. spy" it was only luck that anything suitable resulted at all.

That said, ignoring the threat posed by problems in the Gulf did indeed make things much worse.

Yep, you could be right.... I've only really gone back as far as Clinton to consider the clandestine service. Personally, I'd like to see us put far more emphasis on that service than we do. Technological advances were prioritized as cheaper than real eyes and ears developing real sources... big, big, big mistake. I wish we had a POTUS who recognized the importance of real people in situ.

Well it's more complicated than that, but the wrong people have been in charge of this strategy for around 30 years or so in my opinion.

Clearly, yea, it is.... but I'm not inclined to go into vast detail and history.... other than to say it was, and remains, a bad decision to rely too much on technology and not having people on the ground developing networks and running intel properly. A lot of the problem, in my opinion, is that CIA Directors are political appointees when they should be above politics. National security is too important to have political game players.

 

[KissMy]

Did you forget WHO produced th report on the intel the congress was given?

Oh! I forgot, Democrats don't even read bills before voting for them. So believing they would evaluate the sources in the report & come to their own conclusion would be a stretch.

 

[editec]

The Irqi invasion was a BIPARTISAN effort, folks.

Blaming Bush II and the GOP ALONE for that is just silly.

What was it that Hil Clinton said?

Something along the lines of the "Sometimes the only path to peace is through war"?

I mean come on how Orwellian is that kind of thinking?

 

[California Girl]

Did you forget WHO produced th report on the intel the congress was given?

Oh! I forgot, Democrats don't even read bills before voting for them. So believing they would evaluate the sources in the report & come to their own conclusion would be a stretch.

Any minute now I am expecting truthmatters to remind us that Obama voted against going to war with Iraq.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Man admits to WMD lies that triggered Gulf War (The Guardian)

And he found a President gullible enough to believe him, even when evidence told a different story. Over 5,000 dead US and many more Iraqis. Nearly a Trillion dollars spent on a lie.

No one said stop. No one asked "are we sure".

Why?

Saddam himself was making the claim and keeping the inspectors from properly doing thier jobs.

as the proper link claims, he's a habitual liar. So is he lying then, or is he lying now for the fame?

 

[Intense]

Politicians in Iraq have called for the permanent exile of the Iraqi defector, codenamed Curveball by his US and German handlers, who admitted to the Guardian he lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi said he invented stories about Saddam Hussein's non-existent bioweapons programme in order to "liberate" Iraq.

But if he thought that his mea culpa would make him a hero, it seems he was wrong. "He is a liar, he will not serve his country," one Iraqi politician said in response to Curveball's claim to want to build a political career in his motherland.

In his adopted home of Germany, politicians are demanding to know why the German secret service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), paid Curveball €3,000 (£2,500) a month for at least five years after they knew he had lied.

In the US, questions are being asked of the CIA's handling of Curveball, 43, and specifically why the then head of the intelligence agency, George Tenet, did not pass on warnings from the Germans about Curveball's reliability.

But the harshest criticism of Curveball is coming from Iraq.

Curveball deserves permanent exile for WMD lies, say Iraq politicians | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[California Girl]

Politicians in Iraq have called for the permanent exile of the Iraqi defector, codenamed Curveball by his US and German handlers, who admitted to the Guardian he lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi said he invented stories about Saddam Hussein's non-existent bioweapons programme in order to "liberate" Iraq.

But if he thought that his mea culpa would make him a hero, it seems he was wrong. "He is a liar, he will not serve his country," one Iraqi politician said in response to Curveball's claim to want to build a political career in his motherland.

In his adopted home of Germany, politicians are demanding to know why the German secret service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), paid Curveball €3,000 (£2,500) a month for at least five years after they knew he had lied.

In the US, questions are being asked of the CIA's handling of Curveball, 43, and specifically why the then head of the intelligence agency, George Tenet, did not pass on warnings from the Germans about Curveball's reliability.

But the harshest criticism of Curveball is coming from Iraq.

Curveball deserves permanent exile for WMD lies, say Iraq politicians | World news | guardian.co.uk

Interestingly, I have mentioned this guy several times in discussions about the Iraq war. Clearly, our decision making process needs serious consideration... and not on politics, but on policy. Personally, I hold every member of congress, along with the Administration, responsible.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The more intelligent - and slightly less partisan - among the board - might be tempted to ask some hard questions, rather than use this thread as yet another 'let's blame Bush' bonanza.... Questions about why we were not and still are not putting more effort into our clandestine services. Had we had a decent clandestine network, we would have been in a better position to verify information, develop further information and generally would not have made such a fucking mess of things.

However, I'm sure it's easier... and much more fun.... to just scream about Bush et al.

Before Bubbleheads (like yourself) & Teabaggers (in-general) "discovered" politics....coincidentally after a Black-dude was elected President....there were those-of-us who'd....
BEEN paying-attention to BUSHCO's WAR-HU$TLE!!!!!!​

"Before the war, the CIA was largely skeptical of Chalabi and the INC, but information allegedly from his group (most famously from a defector codenamed "Curveball") made its way into intelligence dossiers used by President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify an invasion of Iraq. "Curveball" – allegedly the brother of one of Chalabi's top lieutenants – fed officials hundreds of pages of bogus "firsthand" descriptions of mobile biological weapons factories on wheels and rails. However, this allegation made by reporters from Newsweek (Michael Isikoff), Knight-Ridder (Jonathan Landay), and the Los Angeles Times (Bob Drogin) has been proven completely false. Secretary of State Colin Powell later used this information in a U.N. presentation trying to garner support for the war, despite warnings from German intelligence that "Curveball" was fabricating claims. Since then, the CIA has admitted that the defector made up the story, and Powell apologized for using the information in his speech. A later congressionally appointed investigation (Robb-Silberman) concluded that Curveball had no relation whatsoever to the INC, and that press reports linking Curveball to the INC were erroneous."

Ahmed Chalabi​

....And, "Everybody knows....." Lil' Dumbya had NO IDEA who Ahmad Chalabi was!!!!!!

When George W. Bush met Ahmad Chalabi...http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=When_George_W._Bush_met_Ahmad_Chalabi

 

[Meister]

Look at them blame cliton for intell that was farmed by a republican admin in late 2002.

Bush was president and had a completely R congress and could have changed it already.

Changed what, TDM?
You can't change intel at that level in 8 1/2 months. It takes years for that to happen.

 

[dilloduck]

Where was the Mossad ? Apparently the best intelligence agency in the world didn't feel that it was necessary to point out that this guy was a liar. Maybe we should look at renegotiating our contract with them.

 

[California Girl]

Look at them blame cliton for intell that was farmed by a republican admin in late 2002.

Bush was president and had a completely R congress and could have changed it already.

Changed what, TDM?
You can't change intel at that level in 8 1/2 months. It takes years for that to happen.

If we hadn't spent decades destroying our clandestine services, we would have been in a position to have good, strong, intel to work from. Administration after Administration has ignored the desperate need for better support for those men and women who undertake that work.