Zone1 Innovation Through Inclusion: The Multicultural Cybersecurity Workforce

[Hector12]

How can you say that? If you are talking from your experiences, you don’t know most black people. I have worked with as many incompetent whites as I have blacks, maybe more.

Your experiences have been atypical.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

All you had to do in those days was walk into a book store and ask. I can remember seeing those guides.

Hmmm, funny don't you have to have disposable income in order to visit bookstores? I think I was in college before I actually spent money on reading materials because we could get everything we wanted and presumably needed from our local library.

But then again this was after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and we lived in California not in the south which is where I ended up going to college so I got some first hand experiences of the ways in which racism manifested that I hadn't or wouldn't have experienced having grown up in the greater Los Angeles Metropolitan area.

Nonetheless you make a good point, thank you.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Load of BS.

The main problem you have is you're a racist. Blacks don't act any different than anyone else, but another problem you have is ignorance of psychology. The past impacts today. And racism impacts blacks now because it continues to exist due to people such as you.

"Findings from large-scale national studies indicate that, while African Americans have a lower risk for many anxiety disorders, they have a 9.1% prevalence rate for PTSD, compared to 6.8% in Whites. That means that almost one in ten Black people becomes traumatized, and I think these rates may actually be higher since diagnosticians are usually not considering the role of racism in causing trauma."

Dennis R. Upkins, Denying Racism And Other Forms Of Gaslighting, Aug 24, 2016, Mental Health Matters, derived from: https://mental-health-matters.com/denying-racism-and-other-forms-of-gaslighting/

As in any other form of abuse/trauma, some things trigger the stressors which bring back the negative experiences felt because of racism. I have a simple layman’s understanding of psychology. I have learned that when a person has this disorder, there can be events that trigger the old terror the individual went through due to the past abuse. Therefore, as people of color continue to see acts of racism, it is vital to recognize how these events trigger a reminder to people of color of the bad experiences they had due to racism. It is even more important to understand what triggers those bad experiences mean regarding behaviors that might arise or resurface instead of making racial judgments. Simply put, every act of racism causes PTSD in black people.

So, when 47 million blacks continue to experience or watch racist actions, these things start happening according to the Mayo Clinic:

• Recurrent, unwanted distressing memories of the traumatic event
• Reliving the traumatic event as if it were happening again (flashbacks)
• Upsetting dreams or nightmares about the traumatic event
• Severe emotional distress or physical reactions to something that reminds you of the traumatic event
• Trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event
• Avoiding places, activities or people that remind you of the traumatic event
• Negative thoughts about yourself, other people or the world
• Hopelessness about the future
• Memory problems, including not remembering important aspects of the traumatic event
• Difficulty maintaining close relationships
• Feeling detached from family and friends
• Lack of interest in activities you once enjoyed
• Difficulty experiencing

IM2, thank you, thank you, thank you!!! You just filled in a critical missing piece and explained it beautifully

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I would say that the libs have expanded the definition of “racist” even further. Nowadays, anyone who objects to the favoritism given blacks - rather than shutting out white mouths - is called a racist.

For example, perhaps 7 or 8 months ago I noted that when I walked down the shopping mall, EVERY SINGLE POSTER was of a black person - perhaps 20 in total. Now, if blacks were not be chosen for modeling jobs due to their race, perhaps 3 or 4 posters would be of blacks, with the majority of whites.

But to pass 20 posters in a row, from six or seven stores, and not ONE store chose to hire even ONE white and chose all 20 of blacks, shows extreme anti-white racism.

I object to such racial discrimination, and for that I have had libs bring this story up, more than half a year later, with the false claim that “you don’t like to see black faces” or some such nonsense.

Lisa the topic is "Innovation through inclusion" in relation to multiculturalism in the cybersecurity workforce, please stay on topic.

If you don't want people referencing your aversion to seeing Black people represented in public places throughout the metro DC area then I suggest you quit trying to garner sympathy to your alleged offense by continuing to bring it up unless you're trying to recruit for more people to back your views. If that is the case please create your own thread and call them to there.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

How can you say that? If you are talking from your experiences, you don’t know most black people. I have worked with as many incompetent whites as I have blacks, maybe more.

Thank you MizMolly.

 

[Coyote]

Pretend this red (my phone has a glitch)

Thread has been cleaned, might have missed some because there were a lot. This thread started with a very specific topic: diversity in cybersecurity and almost from the start it derailed (or maybe devolved) onto a now predictable pattern. The topic is not opinions on presumed racial intelligence, SAT scores, or people's porn viewing habits.

Review the OP, and go from there.

Thanks

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Experiences like that make me nostalgic for the time when blacks had reason to fear whites. Over the years I have come to suspect that Jim Crow legislation was based on sound instinct. There is often wisdom in tradition.

The civil rights legislation was forced on whites with extensive experience with Negroes by whites with little experience with those people.

Which race had members engaging in heinous, criminal and violent behavior that was so egregious that it resulted in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Just in case you missed it, white racists were the ones responsible for creating the need for legislation to protect the lives and rights of Black people. As a result of that legislation, more white women than Black minorities actually benefited but that is what happens generally when you pass good legislation, it benefits many not necessarily just the target group.

The fact that you're longing for a return to a time when Black citizens of the United States lived under the specter of fear, impending violence and oppression speaks volumes about you and none of it good.

Would I be correct in supposing that you are proud of your racism?

 

[MizMolly]

Your experiences have been atypical.

How would you know that?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hmmm, funny don't you have to have disposable income in order to visit bookstores? I think I was in college before I actually spent money on reading materials because we could get everything we wanted and presumably needed from our local library.

But then again this was after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and we lived in California not in the south which is where I ended up going to college so I got some first hand experiences of the ways in which racism manifested that I hadn't or wouldn't have experienced having grown up in the greater Los Angeles Metropolitan area.

Nonetheless you make a good point, thank you.

When I was flat broke after separating from my first wife. I still budgeted for books. On payday I’d set aside half the rent, half the cost of a bus pass, cheap food for two weeks, then go to the bookstore and buy ONE paperback, a medium Shakey’s Pizza and that was my budget for the two weeks. Bread and jam for breakfast, no lunches, and cheap things like fifty cent boxed spaghetti and sauce, mac and cheese or dehydrated Wylers noodle soup for my dinners. If I added spaghetti, I could get two dinners out of a Kraft boxed spaghetti dinner that came with about six ounces of sauce. I read a lot of science fiction, something libraries tend not to have a lot of. I think in two years the only movie I went to was a bargain matinee of Final Countdown. Social life- figgitaboutit, there was no money.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Which race had members engaging in heinous, criminal and violent behavior that was so egregious that it resulted in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Just in case you missed it, white racists were the ones responsible for creating the need for legislation to protect the lives and rights of Black people. As a result of that legislation, more white women than Black minorities actually benefited but that is what happens generally when you pass good legislation, it benefits many not necessarily just the target group.

The fact that you're longing for a return to a time when Black citizens of the United States lived under the specter of fear, impending violence and oppression speaks volumes about you and none of it good.

Would I be correct in supposing that you are proud of your racism?

White racists were a tiny percentage of even the population of the south. Civil rights legislation was passed by whites, black representation at the federal level was practically nonexistent.

 

[IM2]

Thank you Coyote.

 

[MarathonMike]

This is ISC2's first in-depth look at diversity in the cybersecurity workplace.

There are people, organizations and presumably government agencies who are keeping track of the numbers. You have to first identify the problem, need or deficiency before you can address it. This is a step in the right direction in my opinion:

https://www.isc2.org/-/media/Files/Research/Innovation-Through-Inclusion-Report.ashx

From your title, I thought you meant that by diversifying the cybersecurity workforce, this was somehow improving the ability of cyber security to detect and protect against foreign threats. But sadly it appears to be a white paper on how many minorities are employed at different levels in the cybersecurity workforce.

 

[IM2]

From your title, I thought you meant that by diversifying the cybersecurity workforce, this was somehow improving the ability of cyber security to detect and protect against foreign threats. But sadly it appears to be a white paper on how many minorities are employed at different levels in the cybersecurity workforce.

Diversifying the cybersecurity workforcwe will create the improvements needed.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

From your title, I thought you meant that by diversifying the cybersecurity workforce, this was somehow improving the ability of cyber security to detect and protect against foreign threats.

Why would you think that cybersecurity is restricted to foreign threats?

Adding host-based VPNs to all of the laptops that connect remotely to my employer's network prevents any machine that doesn't have the specific VPN software licensed to the company from connecting to their internal network. If the VPN goes down for any reason, you simply would be unable to access the network nor any devices or files connected to that network.

This is an implementation of cybersecurity involving aspects of both confidentiality and integrity - working to keep unauthorized individuals from getting in and then having other controls in place to keep information inaccessible and safe if they do happen to get in somehow, referred to as "defense in depth".

 

[Hector12]

Which race had members engaging in heinous, criminal and violent behavior that was so egregious that it resulted in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Just in case you missed it, white racists were the ones responsible for creating the need for legislation to protect the lives and rights of Black people. As a result of that legislation, more white women than Black minorities actually benefited but that is what happens generally when you pass good legislation, it benefits many not necessarily just the target group.

The fact that you're longing for a return to a time when Black citizens of the United States lived under the specter of fear, impending violence and oppression speaks volumes about you and none of it good.

Would I be correct in supposing that you are proud of your racism?

Since the civil rights legislation was passed blacks have felt empowered to commit lots of crimes against whites. Before the civil rights legislation was passed they rarely committed crimes against us because the criminal justice system would have punished them very severely.

The words "racist" and "racism" have been used too carelessly to have much meaning any more. They are not used to advance the honest conversation on race we need to have, but to silence the conversation.

I am white. If I am a racist, I am one who prefers Orientals to whites. I prefer Orientals to whites for the same reasons I prefer most whites to most Negroes. Orientals tend to be more intelligent than whites, who tend to be more intelligent than Negroes. Orientals have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy than whites who have lower rates than Negroes.

My racism also consists of the facts that I evaluate Negroes by the same criteria I use in evaluating whites, and I do not make excuses for them when they fall short.

I love China. The east is not red. It is the the location of the future.



I love the music of The East is Red. It was taken from a traditional Chinese folk song. I do not like the Communist Chinese dictatorship or Mao Tse Tung. I do love the Chinese people and Chinese culture.

I love and support Israel without qualifications.

 

[MarathonMike]

Why would you think that cybersecurity is restricted to foreign threats?

I didn't say it was restricted to foreign threats. That is the aspect of cyber security that is paramount for our national defense which is why I mentioned it. Cyber Security is one industry where we do not need to lower the bar in order to broaden diversity. We need the best and brightest in that discipline, regardless of skin color.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I didn't say it was restricted to foreign threats. That is the aspect of cyber security that is paramount for our national defense which is why I mentioned it. Cyber Security is one industry where we do not need to lower the bar in order to broaden diversity. We need the best and brightest in that discipline, regardless of skin color.

Yet foreign threats is what you named and focused on. You do know that we have a TON of government agencies whose job it is to deal with foreign threats right? My OP is about the private sector which by definition does not include the government, although the training the org provides would certainly allow you to go work for the government if that's where you want to apply your training.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with people being of African descent. Asians are minorities too but I don't see you all crying and having anything derogatory to say about inclusiveness or DEI being extended to them.

It's by the grace of God, that I come from a family where the low expectations of racists were seen for exactly what they are, envy at seeing someone whom they consider a lesser being than themselves, achieving things that they could never dare to dream of.

I suspect that if the bar has been lowered for anyone, it's probably been for the usual suspects of this board except I don't think anyone thinks of it in terms of "lowering", it's just the default. The expectation and generally the reality for most of this country's existence that this country was founded by whites, for whites and they were entitled to anything and everything that was up for grabs, no questions asked.

You really think that's right? And now that measures are being taken to correct the damage that was done, do you REALLY think that there are no Black people who are as intelligent if not more intelligent than their peers when it comes to the STEM fields & technology?

There is a reason that the U.S bombers in WWII would specifically request the Tuskegee Airmen 'Red Tails' to escort them on their bombing runs. Because the Red Tails were the BEST. Do you think standards were lower for them?

 

[Hector12]

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with people being of African descent. Asians are minorities too but I don't see you all crying and having anything derogatory to say about inclusiveness or DEI being extended to them.

Diversity, equity, and inclusiveness doe not need to be extended to East Asians. They earn their achievements with hard work and high IQ power. Most Negroes can only achieve results that are equal to whites with affirmative action for the following reasons:

RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS OF THE 'REVISED' EDITION OF S. J. GOULD'S THE MISMEASURE OF MAN (1996) J. Philippe Rushton Department of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 5C2, Canada

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3022 of whom were African-American), which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African-Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino-, White-, Asian-, and Jewish-Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.

https://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Race-Intelligence-and-The-Brain-The-Errors-and-Omissions-of-The-%E2%80%98Revised%E2%80%99-Edition-of-S.-J.-Gould%E2%80%99s-The-Mismeasure-of-Man-1996-by-John-Philippe-Rushton.pdf

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yet foreign threats is what you named and focused on. You do know that we have a TON of government agencies whose job it is to deal with foreign threats right? My OP is about the private sector which by definition does not include the government, although the training the org provides would certainly allow you to go work for the government if that's where you want to apply your training.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with people being of African descent. Asians are minorities too but I don't see you all crying and having anything derogatory to say about inclusiveness or DEI being extended to them.

It's by the grace of God, that I come from a family where the low expectations of racists were seen for exactly what they are, envy at seeing someone whom they consider a lesser being than themselves, achieving things that they could never dare to dream of.

I suspect that if the bar has been lowered for anyone, it's probably been for the usual suspects of this board except I don't think anyone thinks of it in terms of "lowering", it's just the default. The expectation and generally the reality for most of this country's existence that this country was founded by whites, for whites and they were entitled to anything and everything that was up for grabs, no questions asked.

You really think that's right? And now that measures are being taken to correct the damage that was done, do you REALLY think that there are no Black people who are as intelligent if not more intelligent than their peers when it comes to the STEM fields & technology?

There is a reason that the U.S bombers in WWII would specifically request the Tuskegee Airmen 'Red Tails' to escort them on their bombing runs. Because the Red Tails were the BEST. Do you think standards were lower for them?

The Red Tails were the best at bomber escort because they stuck with the bombers at a time when "escorts" spent their time chasing retreating fighters to get kills.

 

[MarathonMike]

Yet foreign threats is what you named and focused on. You do know that we have a TON of government agencies whose job it is to deal with foreign threats right? My OP is about the private sector which by definition does not include the government, although the training the org provides would certainly allow you to go work for the government if that's where you want to apply your training.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with people being of African descent. Asians are minorities too but I don't see you all crying and having anything derogatory to say about inclusiveness or DEI being extended to them.

It's by the grace of God, that I come from a family where the low expectations of racists were seen for exactly what they are, envy at seeing someone whom they consider a lesser being than themselves, achieving things that they could never dare to dream of.

I suspect that if the bar has been lowered for anyone, it's probably been for the usual suspects of this board except I don't think anyone thinks of it in terms of "lowering", it's just the default. The expectation and generally the reality for most of this country's existence that this country was founded by whites, for whites and they were entitled to anything and everything that was up for grabs, no questions asked.

You really think that's right? And now that measures are being taken to correct the damage that was done, do you REALLY think that there are no Black people who are as intelligent if not more intelligent than their peers when it comes to the STEM fields & technology?

There is a reason that the U.S bombers in WWII would specifically request the Tuskegee Airmen 'Red Tails' to escort them on their bombing runs. Because the Red Tails were the BEST. Do you think standards were lower for them?

Cyber-Security whether foreign or domestic is a critical component of our security, whether it be national security or domestic security. Your reply rambled all over the place, no idea how to respond to that. So I reiterate that Cyber Security is the last place we need to put pressure on companies to have X number of this color and Y number of that color. Meet the standards period. And no sweetheart, no bar was ever lowered for me. I met the standards for hire and had a successful 38 year career in software engineering. I wish you success in the rest of your career.