Indocrtination or Education?

[edthecynic]

Kids are not supposed to think on their own......they must be instructed in righteousness and to have respect and empathy for other people and their property. When they become of age and reason, they can choose how to apply that parental wisdom...or reject it. The very reason that some children commit the criminal actions of adults (When such is the case, it is the parents that should be punished, not the child who is unable to reson right from wrong.....they have as their instructors the national media and the unregulated content of the public airways, without adult supervision they have the innocence of childhood stolen as they are taught things that are not comprehensible by a developing mind. It is not the place of the STATE to socially engineer as if constructing a citizen for the collective..... my child should be instructed in the public school system only the basics of education, the 3 Rs....any social instruction should and must come from the home.

what he said

Kids have been developing views counter to their parents since long before our current media structure came into being. They've also been doing bad things for a pretty long time, too, with or without adult supervision.

You can also have a kid who develops into a good person overall despite having political views counter to your own, while conversely having one who is a total lecher(sp?) even though he/she agrees with you politically.

Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parent, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates

 

[Emma]

A few states are gaining their senses back.......As TEXAS will begin to teach from the Holy Bible again in the fall. Texas House Bill 1287 makes it mandatory to offer as an elective.... classes in relation to the Holy Bible. The grinding and gnashing of LIBERAL teeth can be heard across the nation.

http://www.tasb.org/services/legal/documents/bible_curriculum.pdf

Why should we? If they do it right, as defined by the courts, no problem. Looks like TX had a good inservice program set up to teach the teachers how not to cross the line. But, alas, they didn't fund it. Ah well. Should be interesting to watch.

Here in VA and in many states (maybe all, but I haven't looked at all), religions and their tenets are part of the required curriculum. And yes, that includes the Ten Commandments and Jesus as the Son of God.

 

[edthecynic]

you keep thinking that way. your kids are the ones being indoctrinated, youre the ones that lose. everyone else is going to keep the commies out of thier childrens heads.

I'd rather keep CON$ervo-Fascism out of their heads.
Look how it's ruined you!!!

im glad that according to your opinion im ruined, that simple means i am beyond the reach of liberal maniacs. thanx for noticing

You are also beyond the reach of sanity, too.

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis

 

[Fatality]

I'd rather keep CON$ervo-Fascism out of their heads.
Look how it's ruined you!!!

im glad that according to your opinion im ruined, that simple means i am beyond the reach of liberal maniacs. thanx for noticing

You are also beyond the reach of sanity, too.

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis

thanx again, for what you call sanity i call insanity. yet again proof i am beyond the hooks of totalitarian socialist scum.

 

[edthecynic]

im glad that according to your opinion im ruined, that simple means i am beyond the reach of liberal maniacs. thanx for noticing

You are also beyond the reach of sanity, too.

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis

thanx again, for what you call sanity i call insanity. yet again proof i am beyond the hooks of totalitarian socialist scum.

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

 

[Fatality]

You are also beyond the reach of sanity, too.

"To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis

thanx again, for what you call sanity i call insanity. yet again proof i am beyond the hooks of totalitarian socialist scum.

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

 

[Diuretic]

thanx again, for what you call sanity i call insanity. yet again proof i am beyond the hooks of totalitarian socialist scum.

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

The two aren't the same, but no matter, you're not that big on facts

 

[Emma]

A few states are gaining their senses back.......As TEXAS will begin to teach from the Holy Bible again in the fall. Texas House Bill 1287 makes it mandatory to offer as an elective.... classes in relation to the Holy Bible. The grinding and gnashing of LIBERAL teeth can be heard across the nation.

http://www.tasb.org/services/legal/documents/bible_curriculum.pdf

Why should we? If they do it right, as defined by the courts, no problem. Looks like TX had a good inservice program set up to teach the teachers how not to cross the line. But, alas, they didn't fund it. Ah well. Should be interesting to watch.

Here in VA and in many states (maybe all, but I haven't looked at all), religions and their tenets are part of the required curriculum. And yes, that includes the Ten Commandments and Jesus as the Son of God.

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/Instruction/History/curriculum_framework_2008/WHI-CF-08.pdf

 

[Fatality]

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

The two aren't the same, but no matter, you're not that big on facts

same turd no matter how you want to polish it.

 

[edthecynic]

thanx again, for what you call sanity i call insanity. yet again proof i am beyond the hooks of totalitarian socialist scum.

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

So you admit you are totalitarian socialist scum, projecting what you hate about yourself onto others. Thank you!

 

[Fatality]

That's only because you are totally in the hooks of totalitarian Fascist scum.

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

So you admit you are totalitarian socialist scum, projecting what you hate about yourself onto others. Thank you!

no but i recognize you as one, why do you try to hide, what are you afraid of?

 

[Diuretic]

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

The two aren't the same, but no matter, you're not that big on facts

same turd no matter how you want to polish it.

Not really but never mind.

 

[edthecynic]

fascist are socialists so once again you are fail, dumb fucker

So you admit you are totalitarian socialist scum, projecting what you hate about yourself onto others. Thank you!

no but i recognize you as one, why do you try to hide, what are you afraid of?

Projecting again.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert Einstein

 

[PixieStix]

Which is why people are becoming less intelligent. When our schools moved away from teaching actual topics and instead stepped into the realm of parenting and teaching political viewpoints, our kids started learning much, much less about the reality of the world. Including grammar, writing, basic English, math & science.

The OP is talking about college students.

who are products of public education

Exactly, and people are too stupid to understand what has been happening in the public school system, they need to ask a school age child a few simple questions about what teacher said in history class, or english class or social studies

Besides, the left has already begun the transformation of many K-12 classrooms into indoctrination projects for its agendas. Concerted campaigns have been launched by the left at high schools geared to converting students into activists against the war and discouraging them from volunteering to serve. Radical pedagogy exemplified by the “Teaching for Social Justice” regimen has entered teacher training texts and teacher training graduate courses.

Since The Campaign for Academic Freedom the Academic Bill of Rights , was endorced by The American Council on Education on the heels of that, there is also a campaign for gardes K-12 Project to end indoctrination in our primary and secondary schools. Part of this project is the organization Students and Parents for Academic Freedom in the K-12 schools modeled on the campaign on college campuses and with the same agenda: take politics out of the classroom.

Education not indoctrination please, everything that is traditional is under attack, in every part of our society. Starting with our school age children's education

 

[Emma]

My God.

Why do so many conservatives have such little faith in their parenting skills?

Why do they think education starts and ends with their kids getting on that school bus?

 

[PixieStix]

My God.

Why do so many conservatives have such little faith in their parenting skills?

Why do they think education starts and ends with their kids getting on that school bus?

We are talking about indocrtination in the classroom Emma, we have to counter that as parents. THAT IS good parenting.

it is the liberals who have been idoctrinated by the media, the political correct verbiage that is the problem, it is the liberals parental skill that should be questioned.

 

[PixieStix]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zz1HwxIjg]YouTube - "Indoctrinate U" Trailer (FC2)[/ame]

 

[PixieStix]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Thgt7dEVw]YouTube - Evan Coyne Maloney discusses "Indoctrinate U" with Lou Dobbs (CNN, March 11th, 2009)[/ame]

 

[PixieStix]

My God.

Why do so many conservatives have such little faith in their parenting skills?

Why do they think education starts and ends with their kids getting on that school bus?

That is designed as a thought terminating cliche' Emma. Indocrtrination in it's pure form

 

[Emma]

My God.

Why do so many conservatives have such little faith in their parenting skills?

Why do they think education starts and ends with their kids getting on that school bus?

We are talking about indocrtination in the classroom Emma, we have to counter that as parents. THAT IS good parenting.

it is the liberals who have been idoctrinated by the media, the political correct verbiage that is the problem, it is the liberals parental skill that should be questioned.

Really now?

Sorry to disappoint you, and forgive my apparent arrogance, but I am a hell of a mom. I raised my girls by myself. I taught them morals and values and how to think for themselves. I taught them to question what they learned, not to just take it at face value, and to dig deeper into issues looking at both sides. I taught them how to love learning just for the sake of learning.

I taught them to respect others, and treat them as they would want to be treated. I taught them the value of our elders, and how much they can learn from them too.

I taught them that they were responsible for their own actions, and actions had consequences. And if they went against the flow, be prepared to face those consequences, because Mom wasn't going to rescue them.

They knew if they misbehaved in school, it was on them. I wouldn't come to their rescue there either. I'd listen to their side, but not only would they be punished at school but when they got home, too.

Only twice did I ever come down on the school to defend them. Once when my oldest at 11 years old was getting an absurd amount of homework. I talking tons from every class. The kid would come straight home from school, start right into it then break for dinner and then hit the books again until LATE that night. It was making her a nervous wreck. When I confronted the teachers, I asked them if they worked all day at school, and then continued to work straight through (minus a meal break) until bedtime. Idiots.

The other time was when my youngest daughter's teacher called to tell me she was concerned because C. read too much. Not that she wasn't paying attention in class or not doing her work---she was excelling in class. But that she was otherwise "always reading books".

My response? You gotta be kidding me [laughing as I said goodbye and hung up].

Oh. One other time. Same daughter made a smart aleck comment to a teacher and the teacher called to tell me about it. I told her she had my express permission to keep her in detention, or whatever punishment they deemed necessary. And that I'd make sure she was punished at home as well.

"Oh, I can't do that. Children have a right to speak their mind."

"Not in school they don't; not in that manner. I taught her to respect her elders and I won't stand for that."

"Well, I'm not going to punish her."

"Then why the hell did you even bother to call me? [laughing again as I said goodbye]

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Their "book learning" didn't start and stop with the school bell. We read, discussed and yeah, I gave them assignments to do during their summer breaks. I did so with my older girl once when she decided to let her social studies grade slide (just taking a break lol); so I found out what they'd been studying in history class and I assigned a term paper---to be done with a complete bibliography, the works. She did an amazing paper on Nazi Germany.

The results are two amazing young women, smart as hell, compassionate and respectful. Voracious readers, and up on current events---and two amazing moms in their own right. They have always been strong in their opinions, and have always stood up for what they felt is right.

There ain't no one on God's green earth who could have ever "indoctrinated" those two. And I'd feel damned sorry for anyone who would try