Indocrtination or Education?

[Political Junky]

I'd rather keep CON$ervo-Fascism out of their heads.
Look how it's ruined you!!!

ed...taken as a whole with your sig, you seem upset...

You are projecting.

No one is better at projection than wingnuts

 

[JenT]

I feel sorry for both of your offspring then. May they graduate early, get scholarships and break the chains.............and fly free!!!!

oh yeah, so they can follow your philosophy greats like Fredrick Nietsche, funny how our universities fail to talk about how at 32, he threw his arms around a horse, went stark raving mad and had to be taken care of for the rest of his life.

 

[veritas]

My kids come and tell me what they learn. It's not that difficult to discern what's going on. So far so good, although I have taken issue with things that were stupid with the oldest, but she made out fine....and we moved to another district so that took care of that. But they're all about telling me what is going on and asking for insight or help. Even their friends IM me for help.

But this isn't podunk. My kids are happy, well adjusted and opinionated and ambitious and self starters and all have computers. Thank dog I don't live in Texas, I'd be all over that "mandatory elective" bible shit.

 

[veritas]

I feel sorry for both of your offspring then. May they graduate early, get scholarships and break the chains.............and fly free!!!!

oh yeah, so they can follow your philosophy greats like Fredrick Nietzsche, funny how our universities fail to talk about how at 32, he threw his arms around a horse, went stark raving mad and had to be taken care of for the rest of his life.

Whoa sister, you need to have those issues looked at. You might rupture your flux capacitor.

Many's the time I threw my arms around a horse. Madness didn't enter into it. My philosophies haven't been offered for your criticism as yet. I think I left ole Friedrich back in the 9th grade.......and went with Castaneda for awhile.

 

[Fatality]

When a nation's young men are conservative, its funeral bell is already rung.
Henry Ward Beecher

you keep thinking that way. your kids are the ones being indoctrinated, youre the ones that lose. everyone else is going to keep the commies out of thier childrens heads.

I'd rather keep CON$ervo-Fascism out of their heads.
Look how it's ruined you!!!

im glad that according to your opinion im ruined, that simple means i am beyond the reach of liberal maniacs. thanx for noticing

 

[Fatality]

That is very interesting, this little tidbit stood out for me

Educational propaganda, with government help, could achieve this result in a generation. There are, however, two powerful forces opposed to such a policy: one is religion; the other is nationalism....A scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a world government."

one worlders are sick, liberals love the one world idea..ever seen their bumper sticker "one planet, one people please"

The most revolting of them all

yep, one world religion and one world politics the mantra of the kooks

 

[Fatality]

It is very disturbing to watch as an entire generation no longer understands the roots of communism, nor the truth of America becoming the greatest nation on earth

They are backwards many times in their "thinking"


Intellectualism is an excersize of the intellect, not spoonfeeding the mind with propaganda.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbsZ1BM5_To]YouTube - David Horowitz literally SCREAMS the truth at the bodysnatching professors at DUKE University[/ame]

Horowitz was raised by Marxist parents and was one himself, before he became a wingnut.
Many neocons have the same history.

i would wager that is the extant of what you know about horowitz. i bet you have never even read one of his books.


you can start here

when u finish then we can talk about horowitz. whenever someone realizes the falsity of their leftist politics the world breathes a little easier.

 

[Diuretic]

How did we find ourselves in the place where we are? People seemingly ok with more and more government control?

Indoctrination, not education is how.

David Horowitz studied the course offerings of 12 major academic institutions....from Columbia University on the East Coast to the University of Southern California on the West Coast.
More than 150 courses were pure indoctrination. For example:

A "Whiteness Studies" guilt curriculum at the University of Colorado.

An Arizona State University sociology instructor who offers credits for participating in protests: "Give 4 hours to a social movement organization and I'll give you 200 points...."

A University of California at Santa Cruz, the course that claims President Bush lied to make the case for the Iraq war, and lied about al Qaeda attacking us on September 11, 2001 ("How did Bush and Cheney build the fiction that al Qaeda was a participant in the 9/11 attacks?" the course description asks).

a time when the American public has become increasingly alarmed by “activist government,” another threat to America’s prospects has garnered less scrutiny: activist education. But as David Horowitz demonstrates in his new book, One-Party Classroom: How Radical Professors at America's Top Colleges Indoctrinate Students and Undermine Our Democracy, co-authored with Jacob Laksin, the misuse of higher education for political ends – symbolized by curricula that present left-wing politics and activism in the guise of education – is a pervasive threat to the country’s democracy. The book examines 12 major universities from the universities across the country and analyzes more than 150 courses whose orientation is unapologetically leftist and whose basic objective is clearly to indoctrinate students. To reinforce the findings of the book, Horowitz is now embarking on a national campaign that will take that message to the places most hostile to it: America’s universities themselves.

FrontPage Magazine - Challenging the One-Party Classroom

A few states are gaining their senses back.......As TEXAS will begin to teach from the Holy Bible again in the fall. Texas House Bill 1287 makes it mandatory to offer as an elective.... classes in relation to the Holy Bible. The grinding and gnashing of LIBERAL teeth can be heard across the nation.

http://www.tasb.org/services/legal/documents/bible_curriculum.pdf

So some indoctrination is good?

 

[Diuretic]

veritas I used to think my kids were on solid ground, and then one of them said he actually liked obama...

public school has more effect on them than we realize.

It's also why so many moms warn their kids not to trust their teachers, which is really a sad thing to have to do.

After reading your posts, I can see how your kids might be at odds with your.....uh....philosophy. We have good schools public schools here. All my kids liked Obama. They watch the news.

Kids are not supposed to think on their own......they must be instructed in righteousness and to have respect and empathy for other people and their property. When they become of age and reason, they can choose how to apply that parental wisdom...or reject it. The very reason that some children commit the criminal actions of adults (When such is the case, it is the parents that should be punished, not the child who is unable to reson right from wrong.....they have as their instructors the national media and the unregulated content of the public airways, without adult supervision they have the innocence of childhood stolen as they are taught things that are not comprehensible by a developing mind. It is not the place of the STATE to socially engineer as if constructing a citizen for the collective..... my child should be instructed in the public school system only the basics of education, the 3 Rs....any social instruction should and must come from the home. There are no BAD KIDS....only bad parents.

So, some indoctrination is good?

 

[Fatality]

How did we find ourselves in the place where we are? People seemingly ok with more and more government control?

Indoctrination, not education is how.

David Horowitz studied the course offerings of 12 major academic institutions....from Columbia University on the East Coast to the University of Southern California on the West Coast.
More than 150 courses were pure indoctrination. For example:

A "Whiteness Studies" guilt curriculum at the University of Colorado.

An Arizona State University sociology instructor who offers credits for participating in protests: "Give 4 hours to a social movement organization and I'll give you 200 points...."

A University of California at Santa Cruz, the course that claims President Bush lied to make the case for the Iraq war, and lied about al Qaeda attacking us on September 11, 2001 ("How did Bush and Cheney build the fiction that al Qaeda was a participant in the 9/11 attacks?" the course description asks).


FrontPage Magazine - Challenging the One-Party Classroom

A few states are gaining their senses back.......As TEXAS will begin to teach from the Holy Bible again in the fall. Texas House Bill 1287 makes it mandatory to offer as an elective.... classes in relation to the Holy Bible. The grinding and gnashing of LIBERAL teeth can be heard across the nation.

http://www.tasb.org/services/legal/documents/bible_curriculum.pdf

So some indoctrination is good?

i have a problem with the bible as an elective, or more accuratley with those who may be "teaching" it.. if they are not theologians they have no business in front of the class teaching about somehting they dont know crap about.

 

[EriktheRed]

Kids are not supposed to think on their own......they must be instructed in righteousness and to have respect and empathy for other people and their property. When they become of age and reason, they can choose how to apply that parental wisdom...or reject it. The very reason that some children commit the criminal actions of adults (When such is the case, it is the parents that should be punished, not the child who is unable to reson right from wrong.....they have as their instructors the national media and the unregulated content of the public airways, without adult supervision they have the innocence of childhood stolen as they are taught things that are not comprehensible by a developing mind. It is not the place of the STATE to socially engineer as if constructing a citizen for the collective..... my child should be instructed in the public school system only the basics of education, the 3 Rs....any social instruction should and must come from the home.

what he said

Kids have been developing views counter to their parents since long before our current media structure came into being. They've also been doing bad things for a pretty long time, too, with or without adult supervision.

You can also have a kid who develops into a good person overall despite having political views counter to your own, while conversely having one who is a total lecher(sp?) even though he/she agrees with you politically.

 

[editec]

It isn't the PEOPLE who have changed. We're not more or less intellectual than we once were.

What has changed in the tone and tenure of the poltical discourse.

It has been dumbed down FOR and BY Telvision and talk radio.

Sound bytes and bumper sticker sloganeering is really nothing more than employing the same techniques that Madison Avenue had been using for decades to sell us soap.

Politics by percerption, folks. (Don't we all remember when people used to tell us --because they believed it!--that "Perception IS reality"!!?!!)

Facts and logic flowing from those facts are no longer important.

What works is to hit the hot button issues with heavy doses of emotionalism.

Both parties now employ these dishonest (but easily understandable) techniques to reach the masses.

Based on the truly demented emotional writings that pass for thought from many folks here, it's damned clear that Madison Avenue now controls the body politic.

 

[Fatality]

Politics by percerption, folks.

nice slogan

 

[Emma]

Which is why people are becoming less intelligent. When our schools moved away from teaching actual topics and instead stepped into the realm of parenting and teaching political viewpoints, our kids started learning much, much less about the reality of the world. Including grammar, writing, basic English, math & science.

The OP is talking about college students.

 

[Fatality]

Which is why people are becoming less intelligent. When our schools moved away from teaching actual topics and instead stepped into the realm of parenting and teaching political viewpoints, our kids started learning much, much less about the reality of the world. Including grammar, writing, basic English, math & science.

The OP is talking about college students.

who are products of public education

 

[Emma]

Do you have kids? I do. And they are nothing like you described, nor are their friends. They're not communists, and they could see you coming a mile away. They are not indoctrinated. The ones that do have a particular bent sound more like you, obviously they borrowed heavily from some proximal and pervasive role model such as yourself and stopped thinking on their own long ago.

veritas I used to think my kids were on solid ground, and then one of them said he actually liked obama...

public school has more effect on them than we realize.

It's also why so many moms warn their kids not to trust their teachers, which is really a sad thing to have to do.

Which is an ignorant thing to do.

And then you people have the nerve to talk about lack of discipline and order in schools.

 

[Emma]

The most revolting of them all

Why so? Do you have a religious belief? Or are you agnostic/atheist?

 

[editec]

Politics by percerption, folks.

nice slogan

Thanks.

I missed my calling working on Madison Avenue.

I had my chance to work there but passed on it.

Probably made a terrible mistake, but at least I sleep well.

 

[Fatality]

Politics by percerption, folks.

nice slogan

Thanks.

I missed my calling working on Madison Avenue.

I had my chance to work there but passed on it.

Probably made a terrible mistake, but at least I sleep well.

well you did exactly what you accused others of doing.

 

[Fatality]

Do you have kids? I do. And they are nothing like you described, nor are their friends. They're not communists, and they could see you coming a mile away. They are not indoctrinated. The ones that do have a particular bent sound more like you, obviously they borrowed heavily from some proximal and pervasive role model such as yourself and stopped thinking on their own long ago.

veritas I used to think my kids were on solid ground, and then one of them said he actually liked obama...

public school has more effect on them than we realize.

It's also why so many moms warn their kids not to trust their teachers, which is really a sad thing to have to do.

Which is an ignorant thing to do.

And then you people have the nerve to talk about lack of discipline and order in schools.

yeah all those teachers raping kids is totaly the parents fault.