India considering bailing on SU-57

[Bleipriester]

Russia has hundreds of military projects in development, a stealth fighters has no priority. It is luxury warfare with no real advantage whatsoever.

The fact remains that tje US is the first to do it and it isn't cheap. While some people complain that it cost too much with little benefits are just crying in their beer. We didn't do it because it was easy, we did it because it was hard to paraphrase.

In fact the Americans studied the German stealth bomber that was successfully tested in 1944.

"Hitler's Stealth Fighter" Re-created

Ah, you have hit dead center of my expertise as a Military Aircraft History.

The 229 was never intended nor known as stealth of any kind. Yes it was made of wood but there was enough metal to have it appear on radar. Much like the Mossie. And that was the Radar of that time period. The Shape is all they got right and didn't know it. The covering did help it to absorb some of the HF radar but not enough. The Germans weren't even aware of that quality. The only thing the Horten really got was it was the first jet twin engine flying wing. This is strictly Luft46 crap that keeps coming up over and over. And any stealth quality it had was purely by accident.

You forget that Jack Northop had already fielded a flying wing n 1929. It was powered by two inline engines and led to the other projects until it finally led to the B-2. They got the shape dead on. If you look at his 1929 design you will see exactly the same shape on the B-2. Like the Horten, it was wooden construction and fabric covered making it probably the first powered flight "Stealth" aircraft 14 years before the Horten actually flew. Again, any stealth quality it had was purely be accident and not by design.

There are others including Soviet designs that also would qualify from the 20s.

You should notice that the shape doesn't make it "Stealthy". It helps. What makes it stealthy was what was under the skin. For instance, the very first operation Stealth Aircraft was probably the SR-71. To this date, the baffling under the skin is top secret. Yes, it could be seen on radar. But it was on top of you before you detected it. By then, there was absolutely nothing you could do about it. It was a very primitive "Stealth" air frame but it led to Lockheed being able to build the F-117 and the F--22 along with the B-2 from Northrop.

The secrets of the F-117 are still closely guarded. But due to having early computers, it shape was as it was. It deflected radar waves at irregular angles as well as absorbed them. It was also very unstable. If the computer was lost, it would tumble and tear itself apart. It could only fly in a straight line or in a gentle curve. Anything beyond that would make it tear itself apart in that tumble.

With the advent of more powerful computers, the B-2 came about. It no longer needed to be made from sharp facets. Believe it or not, the B-2 is more stealthy than the F-22 until the doors come open. At that point, it stands out like a beacon in the sky until the doors are closed. The designers didn't have to compromise on the design. It was never meant to maneuver. The F-22 and the F-35 does have compromises but due them being a fraction of the size, it evens out.

The facts remains. Jack Northrop is the father of the first successful flying wing. And for Stealth, that goes to the Skunk Works of Lockheed. Any and all other attempts were not on purpose.

You are apparently not an expert of military aircraft history but an "American Supremacy Avionist" or something whose "expertise" should be taken with a barrel of salt.

Your 1929 "Flying Wing" is not a flying wing and does not look like any modern stealth aircraft.

It is not only the shape that makes the Horten "stealthy" but also he materials used.

"After the war, Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early-warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz (top end of the HF band), known as Chain Home. A jet-powered flying wing design such as the Horten Ho 229 has a smaller radar cross-section than conventional contemporary twin-engine aircraft because the wings blended into the fuselage and there are no large propeller disks or vertical and horizontal tail surfaces to provide a typical identifiable radar signature.

Engineers of the Northrop-Grumman Corporation had long been interested in the Ho 229, and several of them visited the Smithsonian Museum's facility in Silver Hill, Maryland in the early 1980s to study the V3 airframe, in the context of developing the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit. A team of engineers from Northrop-Grumman ran electromagnetic tests on the V3's multilayer wooden center-section nose cones. The cones are 19 mm (0.75 in) thick and made from thin sheets of veneer. The team concluded that there was some form of conducting element in the glue, as the radar signal attenuated considerably as it passed through the cone. However, a later inspection by the museum found no trace of such material."
Horten Ho 229 - Wikipedia

Sounds good when you say it to yourself. But the fact remains, the first Stealth was not done by Northrop, it was done by Lockheed with NO inputs from the Hortens. And it wasn't a flying wing either. Enter the F-117.

The 229 was never produced as something that could be produced for service, period. It flew in Feb 1945 and owes nothing to the B-2s life. Northrops N-9M flew in 1942 which is the first real chain to bringing the B-2 through the line of XB-35 and YB-49. The 229 was first designed in 1943 making it a parrellel line that was already done by many countries before that as gliders. What you think as being known at the time of design and construction of the 229 was learned AFTER Germany surrendered and the US examined it in depth. Your mysterious coating was not found. Plus, it wasn't made from just wood. It had a steel frame making it less stealthy than the Mossie. Only because of the design, the 229 V3 would have been about 80% reflective as the ME109. Using your own Cite, you claims were completely debunked. And the 229 was NOT a new design. It was beaten to the punch by the US, French and Russian designs before it's design was started. Your whole argument is strictly Luft46. You can make the same claims that they do and it doesn't make it true.

You are adding more bullshit. The Horten brother´s first glider flew 1933 and the Ho H.IV in 1941:

Horten H.III 1937:
Horten H.III - Wikipedia

Horten H.II 1935:
Horten H.II - Wikipedia

Horten H.XVIII concept
Horten H.XVIII - Wikipedia

You excelled in denying German aircraft´s capabilities in previous discussions. Simple fact is that the German designs were ahead of their time and you can´t get around it with ridiculous claims.


"Your mysterious coating was not found"

"A team of engineers from Northrop-Grumman ran electromagnetic tests on the V3's multilayer wooden center-section nose cones. The cones are 19 mm (0.75 in) thick and made from thin sheets of veneer. The team concluded that there was some form of conducting element in the glue, as the radar signal attenuated considerably as it passed through the cone."

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First of all, the Horten was a glider in 1937. It wasn't a powered AC until Feb, 1945. There were many others prior to 1937, the year that the first Horten glider flew. There was even a Horten flying wing glider in 1933. But the first was done by the Russians in 1926. You seem to forget that the Soviet Union had equally the same type of research until Stalin cleaned house.

The Germans for WWII weren't the first in anything. Even the jet engine dates back to about 200 BC. The first patent was done in the 18th century in England. The first successful Jet Engine was presented in 1903 by a Norwegian Inventor. The first Patent for a Jet Powered Aircraft was done in 1921 by a Frenchman. The list goes on.

And don't get me started in Rockets. They go back at least 2000 years in one form or another by those fun filled people called "The Chinese". The first successful Liquid fuel Rocket goes to the US. Goddard didn't invent the liquid fueled rocket but he did invent the Gyro that made it all work years before the V-2 was even a dream.

How about lets get back to the OP. India is bailing out on the PAKFA program. It's not going to be ready for at least 10 years now due to lack of Russian Funding.

 

[Bleipriester]

First of all, the Horten was a glider in 1937. It wasn't a powered AC until Feb, 1945. There were many others prior to 1937, the year that the first Horten glider flew. There was even a Horten flying wing glider in 1933. But the first was done by the Russians in 1926. You seem to forget that the Soviet Union had equally the same type of research until Stalin cleaned house.

The Germans for WWII weren't the first in anything. Even the jet engine dates back to about 200 BC. The first patent was done in the 18th century in England. The first successful Jet Engine was presented in 1903 by a Norwegian Inventor. The first Patent for a Jet Powered Aircraft was done in 1921 by a Frenchman. The list goes on.

And don't get me started in Rockets. They go back at least 2000 years in one form or another by those fun filled people called "The Chinese". The first successful Liquid fuel Rocket goes to the US. Goddard didn't invent the liquid fueled rocket but he did invent the Gyro that made it all work years before the V-2 was even a dream.

How about lets get back to the OP. India is bailing out on the PAKFA program. It's not going to be ready for at least 10 years now due to lack of Russian Funding.

The Americans had a little rocket but its payload was about some pounds. The V-2 was a guided cruise missile capable of transporting a payload of a ton into the space. The first thing the Americans did was to rebuild the V2. When the Americans wanted to land on the moon, the Nasa insisted on building a rocket without the Germans. It took off and flew one meter. The Saturn 5 was basically made by the Germans.
When it comes to technology, the Third Reich was very advanced. First television channel, first picture telephony, first jet fighter, ect. It is undeniable. When it comes to patents, know that for example radar and color television was patented in Germany in 1904.

V-2 rocket - Wikipedia

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First of all, the Horten was a glider in 1937. It wasn't a powered AC until Feb, 1945. There were many others prior to 1937, the year that the first Horten glider flew. There was even a Horten flying wing glider in 1933. But the first was done by the Russians in 1926. You seem to forget that the Soviet Union had equally the same type of research until Stalin cleaned house.

The Germans for WWII weren't the first in anything. Even the jet engine dates back to about 200 BC. The first patent was done in the 18th century in England. The first successful Jet Engine was presented in 1903 by a Norwegian Inventor. The first Patent for a Jet Powered Aircraft was done in 1921 by a Frenchman. The list goes on.

And don't get me started in Rockets. They go back at least 2000 years in one form or another by those fun filled people called "The Chinese". The first successful Liquid fuel Rocket goes to the US. Goddard didn't invent the liquid fueled rocket but he did invent the Gyro that made it all work years before the V-2 was even a dream.

How about lets get back to the OP. India is bailing out on the PAKFA program. It's not going to be ready for at least 10 years now due to lack of Russian Funding.

The Americans had a little rocket but its payload was about some pounds. The V-2 was a guided cruise missile capable of transporting a payload of a ton into the space. The first thing the Americans did was to rebuild the V2. When the Americans wanted to land on the moon, the Nasa insisted on building a rocket without the Germans. It took off and flew one meter. The Saturn 5 was basically made by the Germans.
When it comes to technology, the Third Reich was very advanced. First television channel, first picture telephony, first jet fighter, ect. It is undeniable. When it comes to patents, know that for example radar and color television was patented in Germany in 1904.

V-2 rocket - Wikipedia

Hate to break it to you but the last booster that owes it's beginnings to the V-2 was the Jupiter C. You can add the Redstone to that list. Both nice medium ranged. And they were used in the early launches as the second stage. But the Saturn V owes it's existance to the Vanguard Program as does all the others that used the Oxy/Kerosene fuels. Even the V-2 project, Von Braun would be in communication with Goddard for technical assistance until 1939. During the start of the Aggregat Program that lead to the V-2, much of the technicals came from Goddard. The ONLY reason Goddard didn't build some real fantastic missiles was that he never received the Government Backing that Von Braun did. Even so, much of that early work that Goddard provided also went into the Vanguard Program that outlived the Aggregat program and still lives today.

Goddard was the one that worked out the Gyro/Gimbal setup that the Germans claimed as their own. What is sad, all the work that Goddard did was not used in his lifetime. He died in 1945 but the Germans and Soviets gobbled up his guidance system data.

What completely killed the V-2 variants was the work that Goddard did for the Air Force using solid fuel propulsion. This was used in the early Jato packs and in the later Nuclear ICBMs. The Jupiter and Redstone Rockets were found to be obsolete when the solid fuel rockets entered. It made sense. Liquid Fueled Rockets need to be replentished and constantly worked on. The fuels are very corrosive and do degrade in time. Using them for a Nuclear Payload was dangerous. But, it was all they had at first. When they expanded the original Jatos from Goddard, things changed.

So you can use this Luft46 crap till you are blue in the face but the Navy was working on a liquid fueled rocket during the war but couldn't get the funding required. This lead to the Vanguard. And it was the Vanguard that placed the first Sat in orbit for the US. For the first time, Goddards Rockets got the national funding it needed. Unfortunately, it was 10 years after his death.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First of all, the Horten was a glider in 1937. It wasn't a powered AC until Feb, 1945. There were many others prior to 1937, the year that the first Horten glider flew. There was even a Horten flying wing glider in 1933. But the first was done by the Russians in 1926. You seem to forget that the Soviet Union had equally the same type of research until Stalin cleaned house.

The Germans for WWII weren't the first in anything. Even the jet engine dates back to about 200 BC. The first patent was done in the 18th century in England. The first successful Jet Engine was presented in 1903 by a Norwegian Inventor. The first Patent for a Jet Powered Aircraft was done in 1921 by a Frenchman. The list goes on.

And don't get me started in Rockets. They go back at least 2000 years in one form or another by those fun filled people called "The Chinese". The first successful Liquid fuel Rocket goes to the US. Goddard didn't invent the liquid fueled rocket but he did invent the Gyro that made it all work years before the V-2 was even a dream.

How about lets get back to the OP. India is bailing out on the PAKFA program. It's not going to be ready for at least 10 years now due to lack of Russian Funding.

The Americans had a little rocket but its payload was about some pounds. The V-2 was a guided cruise missile capable of transporting a payload of a ton into the space. The first thing the Americans did was to rebuild the V2. When the Americans wanted to land on the moon, the Nasa insisted on building a rocket without the Germans. It took off and flew one meter. The Saturn 5 was basically made by the Germans.
When it comes to technology, the Third Reich was very advanced. First television channel, first picture telephony, first jet fighter, ect. It is undeniable. When it comes to patents, know that for example radar and color television was patented in Germany in 1904.

V-2 rocket - Wikipedia

First of all, the Horten was a glider in 1937. It wasn't a powered AC until Feb, 1945. There were many others prior to 1937, the year that the first Horten glider flew. There was even a Horten flying wing glider in 1933. But the first was done by the Russians in 1926. You seem to forget that the Soviet Union had equally the same type of research until Stalin cleaned house.

The Germans for WWII weren't the first in anything. Even the jet engine dates back to about 200 BC. The first patent was done in the 18th century in England. The first successful Jet Engine was presented in 1903 by a Norwegian Inventor. The first Patent for a Jet Powered Aircraft was done in 1921 by a Frenchman. The list goes on.

And don't get me started in Rockets. They go back at least 2000 years in one form or another by those fun filled people called "The Chinese". The first successful Liquid fuel Rocket goes to the US. Goddard didn't invent the liquid fueled rocket but he did invent the Gyro that made it all work years before the V-2 was even a dream.

How about lets get back to the OP. India is bailing out on the PAKFA program. It's not going to be ready for at least 10 years now due to lack of Russian Funding.

When it comes to technology, the Third Reich was very advanced. First television channel, first picture telephony, first jet fighter, ect. It is undeniable. When it comes to patents, know that for example radar and color television was patented in Germany in 1904.

V-2 rocket - Wikipedia

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

Rob, is that you?

 

[Bleipriester]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

 

[DrainBamage]

Russia has hundreds of military projects in development, a stealth fighters has no priority. It is luxury warfare with no real advantage whatsoever.

It is a 20 billion dollar program meant to produce a new top line fighter to replace Mig-29s and SU-27s. I understand you state whatever pops into your head as fact regardless of whether it would make sense to a 3rd grader, but dismissing this as "no priority" is idiotic. The reason they aren't making many is the shitty Russian economy combined with finding out it is a lot harder and more expensive to make 5th gen aircraft than they thought.

You maintain that stealth has no advantage only because the countries who's military you admire don't have it, and the country you hate does. Why are China and Russia trying to make stealth aircraft if there is no advantage? Just for giggles?

Proof is in the pudding, go look up when any foreign pilots who have faced F-22 in exercises say about stealth. They feel helpless. I assume you believe F-35 is getting these gaudy kill ratios on it's good looks?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

 

[Bleipriester]

Russia has hundreds of military projects in development, a stealth fighters has no priority. It is luxury warfare with no real advantage whatsoever.

It is a 20 billion dollar program meant to produce a new top line fighter to replace Mig-29s and SU-27s. I understand you state whatever pops into your head as fact regardless of whether it would make sense to a 3rd grader, but dismissing this as "no priority" is idiotic. The reason they aren't making many is the shitty Russian economy combined with finding out it is a lot harder and more expensive to make 5th gen aircraft than they thought.

You maintain that stealth has no advantage only because the countries who's military you admire don't have it, and the country you hate does. Why are China and Russia trying to make stealth aircraft if there is no advantage? Just for giggles?

Proof is in the pudding, go look up when any foreign pilots who have faced F-22 in exercises say about stealth. They feel helpless. I assume you believe F-35 is getting these gaudy kill ratios on it's good looks?

Wrong. Only a small share of the newly commissioned planes are planned to be stealth planes.

 

[Bleipriester]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Russia has hundreds of military projects in development, a stealth fighters has no priority. It is luxury warfare with no real advantage whatsoever.

It is a 20 billion dollar program meant to produce a new top line fighter to replace Mig-29s and SU-27s. I understand you state whatever pops into your head as fact regardless of whether it would make sense to a 3rd grader, but dismissing this as "no priority" is idiotic. The reason they aren't making many is the shitty Russian economy combined with finding out it is a lot harder and more expensive to make 5th gen aircraft than they thought.

You maintain that stealth has no advantage only because the countries who's military you admire don't have it, and the country you hate does. Why are China and Russia trying to make stealth aircraft if there is no advantage? Just for giggles?

Proof is in the pudding, go look up when any foreign pilots who have faced F-22 in exercises say about stealth. They feel helpless. I assume you believe F-35 is getting these gaudy kill ratios on it's good looks?

Wrong. Only a small share of the newly commissioned planes are planned to be stealth planes.

Yes, anything starting with DA which takes into the new fighter and bomber still being pieced together.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

 

[Bleipriester]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

True is that the first TV channel was German. You contradicted your own claim by calling mechanical television fax. Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was normal tv. But I have something for your inner patriot: The first event to be broadcasted live on TV, the Olympic games 1936, was recorded with big American made cameras.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

First TV Channel goes to the US Sept 7, 1927

Radio.

FirstTV Station goes to the US WGY Tv 1928

Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia

Color TV Patent, Mexico 1941

"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

True is that the first TV channel was German. You contradicted your own claim by calling mechanical television fax. Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was normal tv. But I have something for your inner patriot: The first event to be broadcasted live on TV, the Olympic games 1936, was recorded with big American made cameras.

I can only go by the patents that have been filed. And your TV is listed as FAscilmile.

Slowly step towards the light of Truth. You'll feel much better. And please don't go into the 4 coming of the Riech.

 

[Bleipriester]

Radio.


Mechanical Television. Developed by German Paul Nipkow in 1884.

Mechanical television - Wikipedia


"Color television history goes back to 1904, when a German patent contained the earliest recorded proposal for a color television system."
Just How Did the Color TV Come to Be?


The Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" (TV Station Paul Nipkow) in Berlin, Germany, was the first public television station in the world. Carrying programming from Deutscher Fernseh-Rundfunk, it was on the air from March 22, 1935, until it was shut down in 1944. The station was named after Paul Gottlieb Nipkow, the inventor of the Nipkow disk.
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow - Wikipedia

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

True is that the first TV channel was German. You contradicted your own claim by calling mechanical television fax. Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was normal tv. But I have something for your inner patriot: The first event to be broadcasted live on TV, the Olympic games 1936, was recorded with big American made cameras.

I can only go by the patents that have been filed. And your TV is listed as FAscilmile.

Slowly step towards the light of Truth. You'll feel much better. And please don't go into the 4 coming of the Riech.

Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was the first operational TV broadcaster. What´s your problem with history and facts?

Watch the first broadcast:

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What you mean to say is, a German invented the Fax. It's a far cry from TV.

The Patent you are talking about was for a system that didn't work. You can't patent an idea like that without being able to make it work. It never did. Meanwhile, RCA got the patents and they were backed up in court against CBS. But if you go back a few years you will find that the patent for color TV that worked is actually done my a Mexican.

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

True is that the first TV channel was German. You contradicted your own claim by calling mechanical television fax. Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was normal tv. But I have something for your inner patriot: The first event to be broadcasted live on TV, the Olympic games 1936, was recorded with big American made cameras.

I can only go by the patents that have been filed. And your TV is listed as FAscilmile.

Slowly step towards the light of Truth. You'll feel much better. And please don't go into the 4 coming of the Riech.

Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was the first operational TV broadcaster. What´s your problem with history and facts?

Watch the first broadcast:

Your first first point: I am putting in a patent for the matter/antimatter flux tube. It doesn't work but I will still claim the invention. It has to actually work to keep the patent.

As for color TV, your "Invention" wasn't compatible with the BW sets of the time and failed. The Mexican came up with something that did work. It could receive both Color and BW pictures plus, the BW sets could accept the signal and transmit as BW.

On your second point, notice the TV Cameras? Those are RCA cameras with the logo removed. Your missed the date by about 7 years.

"The Queen's Messenger, a one-act play broadcast on September 11, 1928, was the world's first live drama on television. Radio giant RCA began daily experimental television broadcasts in New York City in March 1929 over station W2XBS, the predecessor of current television station WNBC."

Then, using the same equipment, the BBC TV was born in 1930. Again, 5 years before your broadcast.

Your broadcast was in 1935.

The problem of that time was that the ruling Germans made all kinds of outlandish first claims. Not a time for you to use on any comparison. This subject is now closed since you have a huge problem with dealing with the truth.

 

[Bleipriester]

lol. Are you a Germany hater or something?

Are you a truth hater?

True is that the first TV channel was German. You contradicted your own claim by calling mechanical television fax. Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was normal tv. But I have something for your inner patriot: The first event to be broadcasted live on TV, the Olympic games 1936, was recorded with big American made cameras.

I can only go by the patents that have been filed. And your TV is listed as FAscilmile.

Slowly step towards the light of Truth. You'll feel much better. And please don't go into the 4 coming of the Riech.

Fernsehsender "Paul Nipkow" was the first operational TV broadcaster. What´s your problem with history and facts?

Watch the first broadcast:

Your first first point: I am putting in a patent for the matter/antimatter flux tube. It doesn't work but I will still claim the invention. It has to actually work to keep the patent.

As for color TV, your "Invention" wasn't compatible with the BW sets of the time and failed. The Mexican came up with something that did work. It could receive both Color and BW pictures plus, the BW sets could accept the signal and transmit as BW.

On your second point, notice the TV Cameras? Those are RCA cameras with the logo removed. Your missed the date by about 7 years.

"The Queen's Messenger, a one-act play broadcast on September 11, 1928, was the world's first live drama on television. Radio giant RCA began daily experimental television broadcasts in New York City in March 1929 over station W2XBS, the predecessor of current television station WNBC."

Then, using the same equipment, the BBC TV was born in 1930. Again, 5 years before your broadcast.

Your broadcast was in 1935.

The problem of that time was that the ruling Germans made all kinds of outlandish first claims. Not a time for you to use on any comparison. This subject is now closed since you have a huge problem with dealing with the truth.

Videocameras were as necessity around since the beginning of the moving image. And I am not talking about some experimental broadcasts but about the first broadcast of an actual TV channel received by people watching it on actual TVs. Since Berlin had TV-lounges, virtually everyone there could watch the regular daily program.

Here´s a program schedule:
Fernsehsender Paul Nipkow – Wikipedia

 

[DrainBamage]

Wrong. Only a small share of the newly commissioned planes are planned to be stealth planes.

You continue your long tradition of stating whatever pops into your head as fact, even if it is easy to prove wrong. If you search far enough back for information related to PAK-FA it was clearly being touted as a replacement for Mig-29 and SU-27 as the primary Russian fighter plane.

For example, from 2011 = Russia shows off stealth fighter
Russia plans to make up to 1,000 of the jets over coming decades, with India expected to buy up to 200. However, full production is not due before 2015. Mikhail Pogosyan, president of the Russian state-run United Aircraft Corporation which is developing the craft, said: "The T-50 jet will provide the backbone not only of the Russian air force but also that of India."

You know what "backbone" means right. You have to go full retard to believe a jet they were touting at the backbone of their air force = small share. It only became a niche fighter because they cant afford it and it's disappointing performance.

Granted I'm talking to the moron who claimed Russia doesn't believe in stealth, despite them spending billions to try to build a stealth aircraft...

 

[Bleipriester]

Wrong. Only a small share of the newly commissioned planes are planned to be stealth planes.

You continue your long tradition of stating whatever pops into your head as fact, even if it is easy to prove wrong. If you search far enough back for information related to PAK-FA it was clearly being touted as a replacement for Mig-29 and SU-27 as the primary Russian fighter plane.

For example, from 2011 = Russia shows off stealth fighter
Russia plans to make up to 1,000 of the jets over coming decades, with India expected to buy up to 200. However, full production is not due before 2015. Mikhail Pogosyan, president of the Russian state-run United Aircraft Corporation which is developing the craft, said: "The T-50 jet will provide the backbone not only of the Russian air force but also that of India."

You know what "backbone" means right. You have to go full retard to believe a jet they were touting at the backbone of their air force = small share. It only became a niche fighter because they cant afford it and it's disappointing performance.

Granted I'm talking to the moron who claimed Russia doesn't believe in stealth, despite them spending billions to try to build a stealth aircraft...

Here you go:
Russia gets 200 new aircrafts in 2015, 55 Stealth fighters in 2016-2020

 

[DrainBamage]

Here you go:
Russia gets 200 new aircrafts in 2015, 55 Stealth fighters in 2016-2020

I'm not sure how you think that backs up your claims here, I showed a link from 2011 where they were saying they'd get a thousand to form the backbone of their Air Force. The Russian economy tanking and their PAK-FA program running late, expensive, and failing to deliver as promised is what resulted in less ambitious orders for PAK-FA. They are instead forced to keep buying upgrades to their early 80s era SU-27 and calling it a new plane.

But it sill begs the question... you claimed Russia doesn't believe in stealth, and that stealth has no advantages. Yet here you are posting about Russia spending billions trying to develop a stealth aircraft. You're calling yourself a liar.