Income Inequailty Rhetoric is Class Warfare

[Rshermr]

Your post presupposes there is truth to the Keynesian theory of the zero sum game. your
research people whwn working do great things. however there is no reason thwy cannot
market themselves as consultants during the down times.
Unfair? Define "unfair".

Unfair is a very simple concept. If you do not understand the concept, then do not ask someone to educate you. You have proven, by asking the question, that you are incapable of being educated.

There are many meanings and contexts in which "unfair" can be used. I want the OP to define HIS meaning when he uses the term "unfair"?
Define it. If you people are going to fling around these words, you'll be called on to define them and your meaning as their use.

Have you defined anything, me boy??? Of course not. You simply post opinions, which are always, always, always in perfect alignment with the bat shit crazy con web sites drivel. ALWAYS. You post no links defining anything, yet demand that others post proof of simple concepts. Really, me boy, you do not pass the giggle test.

And, me poor ignorant con tool, what you "want" is of no interest to anyone but yourself. I do not bother, for instance, demanding that you do anything. Because, as a rational person, I know I have neither the right nor the power to demand anything of you. You demanding anything is simply proof that you are delusional. Now I have asked for links proving your opinions. And NEVER gotten a response. How is that, me boy. I think you are simply incapable.

 

[Richard-H]

Your post presupposes there is truth to the Keynesian theory of the zero sum game. your
research people whwn working do great things. however there is no reason thwy cannot
market themselves as consultants during the down times.
Unfair? Define "unfair".

Unfair is a very simple concept. If you do not understand the concept, then do not ask someone to educate you. You have proven, by asking the question, that you are incapable of being educated.

There are many meanings and contexts in which "unfair" can be used. I want the OP to define HIS meaning when he uses the term "unfair"?
Define it. If you people are going to fling around these words, you'll be called on to define them and your meaning as their use.

I will not be drawn into your game of symantecs. You could choose any word in anyone's post, challenge them to define it and then think that you can win the argument by challenging their definition. You want to play word games.

"Unfair" is a common concept - one that we all learn in grammar school. I realize it's a concept that may be beyond your intellect. If you do not know it's meaning, you can refer to Dictionary.com - Free Online English Dictionary

 

[oldfart]

Income inequality lead us to the Great Depression.

Income inequality caused the French Revolution.

Income inequality is what we fought against in the American Revolution.

Income inequality goes against the teachings of Christ.

Income inequality will destroy this country if we ignore it.

So? Instead of bitching, deliver to us a solution...
This ought to be good.

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to al least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

 

[Katzndogz]

For five years, the government has been shifting people from the middle class into the poverty class. How they want to be paid for the career move of being poor.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Where do you get this "class envy" bullshit? Been listening to Rush and Hannity? Working Americans do not want a wealthy lifestyle handed to them.....they want a fair shake

They want decent jobs at decent wages.......that is not class envy

Yer kidding. There is plenty of class envy/warfare going down right here.
Define "fair shake"..
Define "decent jobs at decent wages"...
The answer who should be the ultimate decider on these things?

Why define anything to you, me boy. You are a congenital idiot. Simply parroting the bs from the bat shit crazy con web sites.

Can't do it, huh?
This comes as no surprise.
Just a bunch of lib rhetoric from juiced up talking points.

 

[The Rabbi]

Unfair is a very simple concept. If you do not understand the concept, then do not ask someone to educate you. You have proven, by asking the question, that you are incapable of being educated.

There are many meanings and contexts in which "unfair" can be used. I want the OP to define HIS meaning when he uses the term "unfair"?
Define it. If you people are going to fling around these words, you'll be called on to define them and your meaning as their use.

I will not be drawn into your game of symantecs. You could choose any word in anyone's post, challenge them to define it and then think that you can win the argument by challenging their definition. You want to play word games.

"Unfair" is a common concept - one that we all learn in grammar school. I realize it's a concept that may be beyond your intellect. If you do not know it's meaning, you can refer to Dictionary.com - Free Online English Dictionary

Is "symantics" some new online action game?

 

[The Rabbi]

Income inequality lead us to the Great Depression.

Income inequality caused the French Revolution.

Income inequality is what we fought against in the American Revolution.

Income inequality goes against the teachings of Christ.

Income inequality will destroy this country if we ignore it.

So? Instead of bitching, deliver to us a solution...
This ought to be good.

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to al least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

 

[oldfart]

So? Instead of bitching, deliver to us a solution...
This ought to be good.

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to at least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Actually this program is 70% 18thcentury capitalist theory based on similar proposals by Adam Smith. Try reading him some time. The other three were not issues in 1776. Not a single one comports with Leninist doctrine.

Unlike you, I actually read history and am familiar with both the Philosophical Radicals and the Socialist movements. You fell into the trap because of you ignorance and hubris. Better luck next time.

 

[jasonnfree]

From yours and all other leftards words. You all are full of this class envy bullshit which is the latest talking point of your masters in their brainwashing agenda.

Class warfare doesn't work. Oh, yes, it might provoke the hateul spikes of violence, but in the very end, the stupid ones, who are incited to "take what is theirs from the opressors" end up opressed like they have never been before.

Too bad the history doesn't teach the parroting mouthpieces anything.

Yes, there is class envy

Workers envy what used to be the middle class. Good jobs at a salary you can support your family on. Healthcare, affordable education....even being able to retire at a reasonable age

That is what workers envy

You bring up "warfare"?
That warfare is being waged against working Americans. Stagnant wages, decreasing benefits, constant demands to do more for less

That is the warfare Republicans favor

Been at one of those 'hammer and sickle' meetings lately?
Cut the bullshit. Our nation has never been more affluent.
50 years ago, right in the middle of what you libs consider the good old days when a third of all US workers were members of labor collectives. When the middle class was in its first growth spurt, most Americans lived in rental housing. Wealth was concentrated in a much smaller proportion of the population. Most American households had one vehicle. Had no tv in their home. Only the most affluent could afford things like a vacation. An air conditioner. A refrigerator/freezer. A cooking range.
50 years ago the American middle class was a much smaller percentage of the population.

Fifty years ago was 1963. There was large ownership of homes by then for working class. Actually, even in 1953. Everyone I knew were homeowners. Due in large part to the GI bill for all you right wingers that have been told that government can't do anything right. The GI bill helped build the middle class. Most Americans had one vehicle because usually only the father worked. Mom didn't need a car. There was a small grocery store on neighborhood corners and main street usually in walking distance. More efficient big stores finally killed main street. No t.v's? . No refrigerators or ranges. Maybe you're talking rural poor areas. In industrial areas large union membership kept wages up for everyone. This was before corporations could offshore if they didn't like labor prices and regulations like pollution control. I lived in Los Angeles in the early 50's and can tell you about air pollution. Now china has it. If they start regulations like we had and if they have pay raises so their workers can have a decent life, out of respect for their citizenry, big business will just go to a more "business friendly" country like they did to us. Thanks Nafta and other trade bills. This is globalization and the chase for the cheapest labor and the greatest profits. Most gains go to the upper 1% or the upper 1/2 of 1% or whatever it is.

 

[Indeependent]

So? Instead of bitching, deliver to us a solution...
This ought to be good.

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to al least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Other than the kibbutz of Israel, where was Communism actualized?
Oh...Nowhere!

 

[The Rabbi]

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to at least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Actually this program is 70% 18thcentury capitalist theory based on similar proposals by Adam Smith. Try reading him some time. The other three were not issues in 1776. Not a single one comports with Leninist doctrine.

Unlike you, I actually read history and am familiar with both the Philosophical Radicals and the Socialist movements. You fell into the trap because of you ignorance and hubris. Better luck next time.

Bullshit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Your knowledge of economics is pitiful. Your proposals would turn the U.S. into the equivalent of East Germany.

 

[Rshermr]

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Actually this program is 70% 18thcentury capitalist theory based on similar proposals by Adam Smith. Try reading him some time. The other three were not issues in 1776. Not a single one comports with Leninist doctrine.

Unlike you, I actually read history and am familiar with both the Philosophical Radicals and the Socialist movements. You fell into the trap because of you ignorance and hubris. Better luck next time.

Bullshit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Your knowledge of economics is pitiful. Your proposals would turn the U.S. into the equivalent of East Germany.

Yes. We all know, rabbi, that you say you are an expert in economics. Which simply proves you are delusional. You said that what Oldfart said was communist in nature. You are, technically, full of shit. Now, what did you think that he said that was untrue, me poor ignorant con tool. Because, you see, you are completely wrong. He said nothing that was communist in nature.

 

[The Rabbi]

Actually this program is 70% 18thcentury capitalist theory based on similar proposals by Adam Smith. Try reading him some time. The other three were not issues in 1776. Not a single one comports with Leninist doctrine.

Unlike you, I actually read history and am familiar with both the Philosophical Radicals and the Socialist movements. You fell into the trap because of you ignorance and hubris. Better luck next time.

Bullshit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Your knowledge of economics is pitiful. Your proposals would turn the U.S. into the equivalent of East Germany.

Yes. We all know, rabbi, that you say you are an expert in economics. Which simply proves you are delusional. You said that what Oldfart said was communist in nature. You are, technically, full of shit. Now, what did you think that he said that was untrue, me poor ignorant con tool. Because, you see, you are completely wrong. He said nothing that was communist in nature.

The Soviet Union had guaranteed employment.
You lose.

 

[Indeependent]

Bullshit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Your knowledge of economics is pitiful. Your proposals would turn the U.S. into the equivalent of East Germany.

Yes. We all know, rabbi, that you say you are an expert in economics. Which simply proves you are delusional. You said that what Oldfart said was communist in nature. You are, technically, full of shit. Now, what did you think that he said that was untrue, me poor ignorant con tool. Because, you see, you are completely wrong. He said nothing that was communist in nature.

The Soviet Union had guaranteed employment.
You lose.

You are equating one facet of an economic policy with the failure of an entire nation.
And no, I am not in favor of guaranteed employment.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes. We all know, rabbi, that you say you are an expert in economics. Which simply proves you are delusional. You said that what Oldfart said was communist in nature. You are, technically, full of shit. Now, what did you think that he said that was untrue, me poor ignorant con tool. Because, you see, you are completely wrong. He said nothing that was communist in nature.

The Soviet Union had guaranteed employment.
You lose.

You are equating one facet of an economic policy with the failure of an entire nation.
And no, I am not in favor of guaranteed employment.

Not really. Follow the conversation, Einstein.

 

[Indeependent]

The Soviet Union had guaranteed employment.
You lose.

You are equating one facet of an economic policy with the failure of an entire nation.
And no, I am not in favor of guaranteed employment.

Not really. Follow the conversation, Einstein.

Wow! Another Ad hominem by The Rabbi...How out of character!

You didn't address the point.
OTOH, when do you EVER address a point?

 

[Kimura]

So? Instead of bitching, deliver to us a solution...
This ought to be good.

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to al least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

LOL seriously?

 

[Kimura]

The solution is obvious. Constantly increasing concentration of economic and political power over decades leads to increasing income inequality, low economic growth, and social instability. It takes persistent public policy to prevent this. But such policies are precisely what those power concentrations oppose, using an argument that boils down to the divine right of the rich to protect by law, force, and violence what they have stolen.

If you want specifics, try this:

1. Dismantle all large financial institutions.
2. Replace the minimum wage with guaranteed employment by public entities at at least the poverty level.
3. Make financial crimes carry a penalty of confiscation of all assets and jail terms of at least twenty years. Corporations convicted of systematic crimes would forfeit all assets and be liquidated as in FDIC resolutions.
4. Make free high quality public education a matter of right.
5. Re-write the Constitution (not amend it) to remove the super-guarantee in the amendment clause of equal Senate representation of all states, to be replaced by a system of scalable number of seats based on population.
6. Institute single payer "Medicare for all" national health insurance.
7. Increase Social Security benefits to 150% of poverty level as a minimum, change the SSA benefit formula inflection points to make it more progressive, develop a system of partial disability to replace the all-or-nothing" approach, re-institute survivors benefits for college students, and fold the unemployment system into Social Security.
8. Reform corporate governance to al least the level in Germany and forbid financial intermediaries from voting stock in the companies they hold.
9. Abolish Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and replace it with an unlimited deduction for "charitable" expenses.
10. Institute a national identification system, separate federal from state & local elections, and treat everyone with valid national ID over 17 as a qualified voter in national elections anywhere. Require auditable voting systems in national elections.

This seems to me to be a reasonable start. Is it specific enough for you?

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Other than the kibbutz of Israel, where was Communism actualized?
Oh...Nowhere!

I lived on a kibbutz for a year after high school. Israel isn't a communist country. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Indeependent]

Communism was tried and was a failure, comrade.

Other than the kibbutz of Israel, where was Communism actualized?
Oh...Nowhere!

I lived on a kibbutz for a year after high school. Israel isn't a communist country. You have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why I specified the kibbutz itself, not Israel.
The closest anything will ever get to Communism is a kibbutz and even THAT wasn't pure Communism.
And that style of life was only prevalent until more and more of the economy developed and it's no longer needed.

 

[Kimura]

Other than the kibbutz of Israel, where was Communism actualized?
Oh...Nowhere!

I lived on a kibbutz for a year after high school. Israel isn't a communist country. You have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why I specified the kibbutz itself, not Israel.
The closest anything will ever get to Communism is a kibbutz and even THAT wasn't pure Communism.
And that style of life was only prevalent until more and more of the economy developed and it's no longer needed.

Kibbutzim is based on joint ownership and community. It's not even close to pure Comminism.