In the Absence of God; Human rights cannot exist.

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    A lot of people will tell you, with a great deal of certainty that God does not exist. Now I've noticed that it is VERY common for these SAME people to also believe that they have ALL MANNER of human rights... and I've always been curious as to just what these people believe that these human rights that they lay claim to rest upon? By that I mean where do these rights come from?

    Now some will tell you that human rights are a function of the Social Contract... some will quickly explain that human rights come from the government and so it goes...

    Below, I am going to lay out a scenario and I'd like the Atheists or the Secular-humanists to chime in as to how they would react to the below scenario and on what basis would they take that action.

     
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    Well the question itself is idiotic. Its similar to asking a Jew in a concentration camp "WHAT DO YOU DO?". Generally, you would die. However an intelligent question would be "do you object to this scenario, and why?". Of course, anyone with the intelligence to ask the right question, would probably have the sense to respond very simply. Yes, I disagree with the scenario, and thats because individual rights matter.

    Where did I get that idea from? I made it up. Just as you did with your idea that God exists. Or that you somehow know what God is thinking or he whispered in your ear which rights exist. Yes, rights are subjective. But so is everything, and you can take everything to absurd conclusions. Beliefs matter, and rights don't need to come from something non-human to matter.
     
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    is your scenerio insinuating that to be human one MUST believe in God? and is this God the one YOU decide is proper?

    Human rights have less to do with God and more to do with common decency. You can be a good and decent person and not believe in God. You can also respect your fellow man and not inflict your will upon him without believing in God.
     
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    If I had a firearm I'd shoot the bastards.

    But this is truly bizarre.

    Human rights are human invention. As is God. So it looks like humans are an inventive lot.

    We invented God. We invented human rights.

    That's so that someone could one day come along and say God gave us human rights and we could fight about it on an internet forum :D
     
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    well said.
     
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    All I can say is this...

    In the presence of GOD we're not doing all that well human rights-wise, either.

    SOMEBODY's not doing their job, folks.
     
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    The OP is a pretty arrogant, and wrongminded and draws a conclusion unsubstantiated by any reality.

    In the face of G-d, some of the most egregrious wrongs have been perpetrated against humans.

    Morality and G-d are not necessarily intertwined.
     
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    The thought just occurred to me that absent human rights, GOD does not exist.
     
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    :clap2: that is brilliant!
     
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    I can't disagree with that.
     

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