In many ways you could blame Jan. 6 violence on Mike Pence

[jasonnfree]

The FBI organized demonstration in Charlottesville Va. was a dry run for the fun to come. Va. Troopers were ordered to stand down while bus loads of outside demonstrators were shipped in. Likewise Capital Cops were ordered to stand down while FBI organizers goaded a bunch of mom and pop demonstrators into the building. It was another step in the ongoing treason inherent in the "justice dept".

Trump could have easily put a stop to what turned out to be an attempt to take over our country. He remained silent. Such God Damned fools who worship that monster trump.

 

[easyt65]

We all wanted this handled peacefully. Looks like Pence dropped the ball.

---Donald Trump further widened the breach with former Vice President Mike Pence by faulting him for the violence of Jan. 6---

Donald Trump: 'In many ways' you could blame Jan. 6 violence on ... Mike Pence

Trump responded to Pence's statement that history would hold the former president accountable for the insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021.

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Democrats / snowflakes need to stop making excuses for Democrats, FBI, ATF, DHS, & federal / local / Capitol Police who FAILED to prevent J6 and FAILED to protect the Capitol despite having plenty of Intel and time to prepare.

Jan. 6 investigator says FBI could've done more to repel Capitol mob had they acted on intel

“Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence," said Tim Heaphy.

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[lennypartiv]

There was no voter fraud that affected the election

Of course people on your side want to pretend it didn't happen.

 

[candycorn]

Democrats / snowflakes need to stop making excuses for Democrats, FBI, ATF, DHS, & federal / local / Capitol Police who FAILED to prevent J6 and FAILED to protect the Capitol despite having plenty of Intel and time to prepare.

Jan. 6 investigator says FBI could've done more to repel Capitol mob had they acted on intel

“Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence," said Tim Heaphy.

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Shouldn't you blame the attackers for the attack?

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

There was no voter fraud that affected the election

Liar!

 

[lennypartiv]

Shouldn't you blame the attackers for the attack?

They only wanted to stop the steal.

 

[candycorn]

They only wanted to stop the steal.

There was no steal to stop.

They wanted to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

 

[Rigby5]

If Lincoln would have just gone along with slavery, the civil war wouldn't have happened. It's all his fault.

Its fake to claim the Civil war was about slavery.
Whites in the north were as racist as southerners.
They just had no cotton plantations, so could not afford slaves.
The Civil war was really about tariffs on British goods that northern industry wanted.

 

[Foxfyre]

We all wanted this handled peacefully. Looks like Pence dropped the ball.

---Donald Trump further widened the breach with former Vice President Mike Pence by faulting him for the violence of Jan. 6---

Donald Trump: 'In many ways' you could blame Jan. 6 violence on ... Mike Pence

Trump responded to Pence's statement that history would hold the former president accountable for the insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021.

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President Trump was wrong to blame Pence for certifying the vote. The blame is with those states that did not care that people distrusted the system; that did nothing to reassure the people that nothing was amiss in the vote and the counting of the vote.

It's a thorny issue whether Congress has the constitutional authority to delay certification once a state certifies its vote. I can't find anything in the Constitution that addresses that.

Vice President Pence, as President of the Senate, has the final word and absolutely no constitutional authority to refuse to accept the states' certification and Congress's certification. Mike Pence was correct about that.

There were certainly sufficient irregularities witnessed and reported to have justified a thorough investigation in some state elections, but insufficient time to conduct them. President Trump and the tens of thousands of PEACEFUL protesters on J6 had every constitutional right to lawfully assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances. He nor any of those tens of thousands expected or wanted the comparative few to instigate a riot and lawlessness. And it is a tragedy that it happened.

And it is a tragedy that two great Americans, Donald Trump and Mike Pence are now attacking and accusing each other. Both are wrong to do so.

And those enjoying it are also wrong to do so.

 

[Rigby5]

There was no voter fraud that affected the election

There was massive voter fraud in 2000, so I bet there always is some, and more when you use voting machines.

 

[Rigby5]

Vice President Pence, as President of the Senate, has the final word and absolutely no constitutional authority to refuse to accept the states' certification and Congress's certification. Mike Pence was correct about that.

Those 2 sentences are totally contradictory.
If VP "has the final word" that absolutely IS "constitutional authority to refuse to accept the states' certification".
What is the point of any "certification", if you can't reject what the states are saying, for any reason?

Saying Pence did not believe there was any voting irregularity is something else.
You are saying Pence has no options even if there were known voting irregularities, and that is false it seems to me,

 

[BackAgain]

In many ways you could blame Jan. 6 violence on Mike Pence​

Absolutely untrue.

 

[Foxfyre]

Those 2 sentences are totally contradictory.
If VP "has the final word" that absolutely IS "constitutional authority to refuse to accept the states' certification".
What is the point of any "certification", if you can't reject what the states are saying, for any reason?

Saying Pence did not believe there was any voting irregularity is something else.
You are saying Pence has no options even if there were known voting irregularities, and that is false it seems to me,

The point is the investigations had not been completed and there was no evidence that would hold up in court that the election irregularities were sufficient to change the certified results in any state. As President of the Senate, Pence had ability to break a tie in the vote to certify the election, but since there was no tie, his role was ceremonial, not authoritarian. There is no provision at all in the Constitution granting him authority to refuse the will of Congress.

Greater minds than mine will be looking at this for centuries to come. But if Congress had not certified the election on Jan 6 according to the certification of the various states, you can imagine if the Republicans win in 2024, the Democrats would have precedent to delay the inauguration of the newly elected President indefinitely. And does any one of us with a brain think they would not?

There is far more at stake here than the election of Joe Biden over Donald Trump however good Trump would have been and however much an unprecedented disaster Biden has been.

Instead of looking to SCOTUS or Congress to fix a broken election system, we need to put our energies in demanding our state legislators fix it. The election is not given to Congress to do. It is given to the various states to do.

 

[krichton]

majority of republicans blame Biden for instigating the insurrection

Poll: Majority of Republicans blame Biden for mob storming the Capitol

A majority of Republican voters surveyed in a new YouGov Direct poll believe that President-elect Joe Biden is to blame for the group of President Trump’s supporters who stormed the Capitol Wednesd…

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[22lcidw]

Its fake to claim the Civil war was about slavery.
Whites in the north were as racist as southerners.
They just had no cotton plantations, so could not afford slaves.
The Civil war was really about tariffs on British goods that northern industry wanted.

The globalists of the time wanted a fiat currency and dividing the then United States in two would give them that opportunity to form a beachhead in the Western Hemisphere. The civil war was not about slavery. slavery was used for its justification. Slavery was to end within a decade or so as it became untenable to keep.

 

[lennypartiv]

There was no steal to stop.

They wanted to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump was winning the election when America went to bed. In the middle of the night, ballots for Biden mysteriously appeared.

 

[Lesh]

They only wanted to stop the steal.

What they wanted to stop was the electoral count

 

[BlindBoo]

Its fake to claim the Civil war was about slavery.
Whites in the north were as racist as southerners.
They just had no cotton plantations, so could not afford slaves.
The Civil war was really about tariffs on British goods that northern industry wanted.

Except for the fact that the Several Southern States seceded explicitly over the issue of being able to keep the Negro Race enslaved in perpetuity.

" She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

"https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

Lincoln would have left their peculiar institution alone to save the Union from war.

 

[Moonglow]

We all wanted this handled peacefully. Looks like Pence dropped the ball.

---Donald Trump further widened the breach with former Vice President Mike Pence by faulting him for the violence of Jan. 6---

Donald Trump: 'In many ways' you could blame Jan. 6 violence on ... Mike Pence

Trump responded to Pence's statement that history would hold the former president accountable for the insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021.

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Trump is delusional at best.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump was winning the election when America went to bed. In the middle of the night, ballots for Biden mysteriously appeared.

I never went to bed. There was no mystery. The count numbers of absentee and mail in ballots finally starting coming late in as predicted because the Republican led state legislatures in those few swing states did not heed the warning that they should follow the experienced states and start counting those ballots early. It's almost as if they planned for just such an excuse, probably because they knew the Dirty Don was going to lose Bigly.