CDZ IMMIGRATION: Not what it is but what it should be.

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Foxfyre, May 15, 2018.

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  1. 1. All immigrants must enter America legally.

  2. 2. A border wall will be built to help keep immigration legal

  3. 3. DACA kids can stay legally but not their illegal family members.

  4. 4. DACA kids leaving with family will not have automatic right of return.

  5. 5. New immigrants will be admitted by merit and not by lottery.

  6. 6. Chain migration re immigrants will not be allowed.

  7. 7. Children of citizen parents will be the only automatic citizens.

  8. 8. Immediate humanitarian aid; otherwise no benefits for illegals.

  9. 9. There will be a means of issuing short term work visas

  10. 10. Overstay a visa or come illegally and be forever banned from the USA.

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  1. danielpalos
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    apples and oranges; and, yes, you have have a right to trespass, in defense of self and property.
     
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    immigration means applying for citizenship. anything else is simple tourism.
     
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    You are entirely missing the point. Yes, various groups have their own ways, cuisine, customs, traditions, even rules, but nevertheless they consider themselves American above all, and those who deserve to be here consider themselves extremely fortunate that they are American. And having a common language benefits us all and certainly is not the same thing as 'an ONLY language.)

    In the late 18th Century, America was wide open and needed people to populate it. By the mid to late 19th Century, America was well populated and we were being more careful who came by routing new immigrants through Ellis Island. By the 20th Century it was prudent to establish laws to control who came here. The first comprehensive immigration laws were enacted in the 1920's.

    Population when the Constitution was ratified: about 4 million or the current population of Los Angeles.

    Population in 1850: about 23 million or a little more than the current population of Florida.

    Population in 1950: about 151 million. Large cities were becoming over crowded and more of the nation's resources are routed to them that started the stress and depletion of rural America.

    Population now: about 320 million. At that rate of growth we will be 600 million by 2040 or 2050 with a corresponding increase in need for public resources..

    To preserve quality of life and also our ability to be a shining example for the world and also to have the resources to help others in times of distress, we simply cannot continue taking in everybody who wants to be here instead of where they are--that number no doubt is in the billions.

    In order to become a U.S. citizen, you need to satisfy the various requirements described in the article Who Can Apply for U.S. Citizenship. Most people also need to pass tests on their knowledge and understanding of:
    • the fundamentals of history and of the principles and form of government of the United States, and
    • the English language, as it is spoken, written, and read.
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    Becoming a U.S. Citizen


    At one time I was blessed to be able to teach citizenship classes to immigrants seeking citizenship and have attended quite a few swearing in ceremonies, never with dry eyes. It is quite a moving experience. But if the folks did not have a reasonable command of English, they wouldn't have benefited from the classes as that was the only language I taught in and interpreters were not provided. (We also offered classes in English as a second language.)
     
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    Not relevant to the thread topic. Please keep the discussion limited to immigration policy and what it should and should not be.
     
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    Not relevant to the thread topic please.
     
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    No, you do not. All of us do so all the time, but even pulling into the neighbor's driveway to turn around and go the other direction without your neighbor's permission to do that is classified as a trespass. Nobody has a right to enter the USA without permission. Citizens have automatic permission but even they are still subject to inspection by Customs.
     
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    Defense of self and property are considered, natural rights.
     
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    That is one way to look at it and I tend to agree. But the law generally defines green card holders, i.e. those residing here permanently whether or not they ever apply for citizenship, to be immigrants. I would think the proposed immigration laws in the O.P. would also apply to those receiving green cards.
     
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    That is true. And I'm sure the Founders would agree that the defense and security of our borders falls into that general category.
     
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    It is interesting to me that the lowest number of votes so far is for No. 3: DACA kids can stay legally but not their illegal family members.

    I wish some of you who didn't vote for that one but did vote for some or all the others would provide your rationale for a 'no vote' on that one.

    Is it that you think the DACA kids should be able to bring or keep their currently illegal families here? Or that the DACA kids should not be allowed to stay period?
     

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