Imagine if capitalism was left unfettered and free of government intervention or regulation

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1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?
 
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1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?

Well, who needs to imagine, it happened in the 1920s and 1930s.
 
I wonder if the automobile, the telephone, television etc...etc...would of been invented yet if the world didn't go to capitalism?



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That’s a pointless argument because what I am suggesting has nothing to do with ending capitalism. God you people are dumb.
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?

Well, who needs to imagine, it happened in the 1920s and 1930s.
Republicans aren’t smart enough to know that.
 
That’s a pointless argument because what I am suggesting has nothing to do with ending capitalism. God you people are dumb.

Eh, what are you suggesting exactly?

It's well known that capitalism is evil and that the socialist revolution needed to destroy it is long overdue but you seem to have another 'solution' in mind

:coffee:
 
That’s a pointless argument because what I am suggesting has nothing to do with ending capitalism. God you people are dumb.

Eh, what are you suggesting exactly?

It's well known that capitalism is evil and that the socialist revolution needed to destroy it is long overdue but you seem to have another 'solution' in mind

:coffee:
Capitalism isn’t evil - it just can’t do whatever the fuck it wants.
 
Capitalism isn’t evil -...

But you just posted a list of evils caused by capitalism...
...it just can’t do whatever the fuck it wants.

It can't? Your corrupt supreme 'free' market court even confirmed that corporations are people too and that $$$ is free speech so I'm not sure what's supposed to stop the capitalist oligarchy from doing whatever they want

:popcorn:
 
Careful, thoughtful and efficient regulation makes capitalism better. It's an absolutely critical component of the whole.

Trying to detach regulation from capitalism is like trying to take the hydrogen component out of water.

Talk radio doesn't and won't address this obvious fact, so many just don't see it, no matter how obvious it is.
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Capitalism isn’t evil -...

But you just posted a list of evils caused by capitalism...
...it just can’t do whatever the fuck it wants.

It can't? Your corrupt supreme 'free' market court even confirmed that corporations are people too and that $$$ is free speech so I'm not sure what's supposed to stop the capitalist oligarchy from doing whatever they want

:popcorn:
Well you aren’t wrong, but an amendment over turning citizens united would be the solution. Duh.
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?

Well, who needs to imagine, it happened in the 1920s and 1930s.
Republicans aren’t smart enough to know that.

I disagree, there are many smart Republicans. Don't let partisanship cloud your vision.

The issue isn't whether they're smart enough or not, it's what they hope to achieve from it.

The last recession saw 7 million poor people lose their homes.
It saw a widening of income inequality.
It saw some very rich people get massively richer.
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?
That's why we have anti-trust laws, environmental regulations, etc.
 
Well you aren’t wrong, but an amendment over turning citizens united would be the solution. Duh.

So, the same politicians who depend on the 'free' market campaign bribes.... eh, donations to get selected are going to make a law that's going to put an end to those same donation$

Seriously?

Open your eyes comrade, there's only one solution if you want some real hope & change

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Well you aren’t wrong, but an amendment over turning citizens united would be the solution. Duh.

So, the same politicians who depend on the 'free' market campaign bribes.... eh, donations to get selected are going to make a law that's going to put an end to those same donation$

Seriously?

Open your eyes comrade, there's only one solution if you want some real hope & change

1sg7tf.jpg


:banana:
Well see I dare to dream and hope true progressives can be elected to end the oligarchy slowly but surely. They exist. Many have run for office. You can be cynical and assume they are all full of shit, but your pessimism gets us nowhere.
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?
That's why we have anti-trust laws, environmental regulations, etc.
Oh you mean government red tape?
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?


Competition and the law answers all of these. Putting poison into products is against the law, capitalism has no part in this.

Minimum wage would increase all on it's own, and it would actually increase jobs, not destroy them as skilled workers would demand more money......

You guys really don't understand how the free exchange of goods and services...you know, capitalism, works....do you?
 
1) What would stop the income disparity from widening? After all, corporate profits are already at an all time high and the board of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit which includes minimizing labor cost as much as possible. Small business owners have the same mentality. It’s every man for himself in a republican world right? Even at this juncture, the 3 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers. What’s to stop that from getting worse?

2) How would wages keep up with ever rising inflation?

3) How would average joe afford healthcare if prescription drug and medical costs only rose and Medicare/Medicaid would have to pay the bill? What if that wasn’t enough? What if one’s insurance doesn’t include life saving cancer treatment that is too expensive out of pocket? That person has a high deductible because the insurance company he is vulnerable to wants to maximize profit.

4) What’s to stop corporations to put whatever carcinogenics they want into their products? It’s not like average joe consumer would need to be aware of this. He would get cancer and no one would know why. Corporations could say whatever the fuck they want in their advertising. All that would matter is that the carcinogenic product increased profits. Think of chemicals sprayed on your produce to make them taste better and have more natural-looking color.

5) What if there was no minimum wage? You may think a corporation wouldn’t pay below that because it makes their position seem less attractive to the worker, but if every corporation individually and independently had the power to set their own wages, what’s to stop them from dropping to $5 per hour? $5 per hour could become the new standard. Why wouldn’t this happen?

6) Oh and let’s think of labor laws. Maybe the new standard would be that a full time job would never guarantee benefits? How about if corporations made it so you legally couldn’t have days off? The fat cats at the top could take whatever vacation time they wanted, but average joe working the cash register brings in more capital by working every day at a shitty wage.

7) What’s to stop automation from replacing more and more jobs thus making human required jobs extremely competitive?


Competition and the law answers all of these. Putting poison into products is against the law, capitalism has no part in this.

Minimum wage would increase all on it's own, and it would actually increase jobs, not destroy them as skilled workers would demand more money......

You guys really don't understand how the free exchange of goods and services...you know, capitalism, works....do you?

About Automation? You could ask the buggy whip makers what happened to their jobs when cars came along, or printers...when people got personal computers........and now we have extremely low unemployment and wages are starting to increase as companies have to compete for workers....
 
Well see I dare to dream and hope true progressives can be elected to end the oligarchy slowly but surely. They exist. Many have run for office.

Sure, they can run all they want but if you think the oligarchy will ever let them accomplish something useful than you're delusional. Any 'progressives' you can select will screw you once they get into the oval office, remember how the hope & change version handed over $trillions to the too big to fail banking cartels?
You can be cynical and assume they are all full of shit, but your pessimism gets us nowhere.

It's not pessimism, simply realism

Optimism will come with the revolution

:coffee:
 
Legislation is always a reaction to the excesses of capitalism.
Slavery came before laws to ban slavery.
Discrimination came before laws against discrimination.
Infants were sent down pit and up chimneys before age restrictions were placed on employment.
Environmental laws were passed after capitalism fouled up our air and water.

I cant think of one thing where the state has been prroactive in dealing with business.

The excesses of capitalism create the need for legislation that protects us,more or less, from the outputs of greed.
 
Well see I dare to dream and hope true progressives can be elected to end the oligarchy slowly but surely. They exist. Many have run for office.

Sure, they can run all they want but if you think the oligarchy will ever let them accomplish something useful than you're delusional. Any 'progressives' you can select will screw you once they get into the oval office, remember how the hope & change version handed over $trillions to the too big to fail banking cartels?
You can be cynical and assume they are all full of shit, but your pessimism gets us nowhere.

It's not pessimism, simply realism

Optimism will come with the revolution

:coffee:
Oh the revolution huh? How adorable. I totally forgot that it was progressives who owned all the guns instead of redneck white trash who vote republican every election because they’re fucking stupid.
 

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