I'm Finally Giving In and Declaring All Election Fraud Discussion Should Be Moved Into Conspiracy Theories

[Dante Reawakened]

You are stupid enough to believe in the climate hoax and most likely are in the Covid cult too. You have no room to talk.

time to put this spamming Troll back on ignore

 

[postman]

time to put this spamming Troll back on ignore

Lastamenders problem is that he's been saying that some new proof is going to be released "next week". And then nothing.
He's like the guy who owes you money, promising he'll pay you "next week for sure"

 

[Lastamender]

Get the Facts: A poll shows more voters believe the 2020 election was stolen. Is there proof?​

Get the Facts: A poll shows more voters believe the 2020 election was stolen. Is there proof?

More than two years after the 2020 election, a poll shows a growing number of Republicans believe Donald Trump's claims about widespread voter fraud. Here are the facts.

www.kcra.com

Get the Facts: A poll shows more voters believe the 2020 election was stolen. Is there proof?​

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Almost a third of Americans still believe the 2020 election result was fraudulent​

There's no evidence widespread fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 election, but Trump and allies have spent years undercutting the election's legitimacy.

June 20, 2023, 8:50 AM PDT
By Ben Kamisar
Three-in-10 Americans still believe President Joe Biden won his 2020 election only due to voter fraud, a new poll shows — a durable number that highlights the disconnect on one of the foundational issues facing American democracy.

Almost a third of Americans still believe the 2020 election result was fraudulent

There's no evidence widespread fraud affected the outcome of the 2020 election, but Trump and allies have spent years undercutting the election's legitimacy.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Lastamender]

time to put this spamming Troll back on ignore

Do it please you worthless bastard.

 

[toobfreak]

There was election fraud
Trump…Filed bogus legal challenges

That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially when it went nowhere.

Tried to substitute fake electors

Again, That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially as he only TRIED, didn't actually succeed.

Pressured local officials to overturn the voters

That was AFTER the election, pinhead, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially as the person involved in Georgia said there was no pressure, no attempt to cheat.

Pressured his VP to overturn state EVs

That was AFTER the election, cumquat, when the election was already OVER, he wanted to send electors back to disputed states for resolution, a LEGAL process, and Pence didn't do it, so can't be considered fraud.

But by your idiotic definition, just wanting to win or thinking about cheating or looking for a way to do it even if not actually carried out would constitute fraud, through actual fraud implies an action CARRIED OUT successfully, which would make the democrats guilty of fraud in every election the past 30 years. You apparently don't understand FRAUD and mere CONSPIRACY to commit fraud! Not that any conspiracy happened by Trump in 2020.

Try to at least PRETEND like you made it through high-school with a C grade average!

 

[Lastamender]

Turning up?

You've been claiming that evidence is just about to come out, for the last two years.

MI. and NY. have solid proof of fraud from fake registrations and bloated phony voter rolls.

 

[rightwinger]

That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially when it went nowhere.


Again, That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially as he only TRIED, didn't actually succeed.


That was AFTER the election, pinhead, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially as the person involved in Georgia said there was no pressure, no attempt to cheat.


That was AFTER the election, cumquat, when the election was already OVER, he wanted to send electors back to disputed states for resolution, a LEGAL process, and Pence didn't do it, so can't be considered fraud.

But by your idiotic definition, just wanting to win or thinking about cheating or looking for a way to do it even if not actually carried out would constitute fraud, through actual fraud implies an action CARRIED OUT successfully, which would make the democrats guilty of fraud in every election the past 30 years. You apparently don't understand FRAUD and mere CONSPIRACY to commit fraud! Not that any conspiracy happened by Trump in 2020.

Try to at least PRETEND like you made it through high-school with a C grade average!

You don’t think you can try to steal an election after the fact?

 

[postman]

That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially when it went nowhere.


Again, That was AFTER the election, moron, when the election was already over, so can't be considered fraud, especially as he only TRIED, didn't actually succeed.

Fraud if fraud. Some frauds fail, some frauds succeed. But they're all fraud none the less.

This is why many crimes don't require you succeed at it, but only that you try, or attempt to commit the crime.

 

[postman]

A notable exception to criminalizing the attempt, but not actually succeeding.

Attempted suicide is against the law.
But if you succeed, you can't be charged.

 

[Road Runner]

Great video and I sure hope that your thread didn't get moved after I previously called Spaz here for confrontation.

 

[Rambunctious]

Dems cheating in elections is nothing new... they have been cheating for decades... now they got called out and are trying to make it illegal to expose them... its not going to fly....

 

[toobfreak]

You don’t think you can try to steal an election after the fact?

Making an ATTEMPT, even if there was one by Trump which there wasn't, doesn't constitute FRAUD. For there to be FRAUD, there has to be an OUTCOME based on illegitimate actions! Otherwise at best, it merely constitutes conspiracy. If you want to see FRAUD, carefully read all of this, of what a bunch of business, government and other people DID in 2020 in order to assure a preconceived OUTCOME. Even if they try to SPIN it as a good thing. This is FRAUD.

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions

time.com

What Trump was trying to do was to overcome and undo the fraud.

 

[rightwinger]

Making an ATTEMPT, even if there was one by Trump which there wasn't, doesn't constitute FRAUD. For there to be FRAUD, there has to be an OUTCOME based on illegitimate actions! Otherwise at best, it merely constitutes conspiracy. If you want to see FRAUD, carefully read all of this, of what a bunch of business, government and other people DID in 2020 in order to assure a preconceived OUTCOME. Even if they try to SPIN it as a good thing. This is FRAUD.

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions

time.com

What Trump was trying to do was to overcome and undo fraud.

Nice try

Attempting and failing is still a crime

 

[toobfreak]

Fraud if fraud.

Gee, there's an insightful observation!

Some frauds fail, some frauds succeed.

Frauds that fail are conspiracy to commit fraud.

But they're all fraud none the less.

Not unless they succeed. Fraud is to effect an illegitimate outcome.

 

[toobfreak]

Nice try
Attempting and failing is still a crime

Yes, two different crimes, niblik, fraud, and conspiracy to commit fraud.

 

[Lastamender]

Great video and I sure hope that your thread didn't get moved after I previously called Spaz here for confrontation.

It is still there and it is still obvious fraud.

 

[rightwinger]

Seems only one person will go to jail for trying to steal an election

Donald J Trump

 

[candycorn]

Oh sorry about that I didn't know, but I just love humiliating Spaz.

Yet you only succeed in humiliating yourself.

 

[the other mike]

There was election fraud

Trump…

Filed bogus legal challenges
Tried to substitute fake electors
Pressured local officials to overturn the voters
Pressured his VP to overturn state EVs

And 9/11 wasn't a controlled demolition job.

 

[rightwinger]

And 9/11 wasn't a controlled demolition job.