Ignorance and homophobia run rampant

[MissileMan]

Np-- I was just curious if you had a morality scale, where would the asexuals go? I would assume God judges on that one.

Asexuality is a sin? Got any verses from your bible that make that claim?

 

[dilloduck]

Asexuality is a sin? Got any verses from your bible that make that claim?

I was simply asking if it was or was not according to someone elses' opinion---easy there cowboy ! If anything that is not "normal" is a sin I thought we might take a look at asexuality.

 

[Hobbit]

What homosexuals want is legitimacy, for the government to enact laws that tell everyone that being gay is just fine. To further the end of making everyone think of them as "normal," they paint everyone who opposes them as "homophobes," implying that they're actually scared of gays, or "ignorant," implying that they just don't know enough to realise that there's nothing wrong with being gay. It's a sick propoganda campaign of insults that will never get even the majority of Christians to believe that their sexual practices are anything less than sin.

 

[Bonnie]

What homosexuals want is legitimacy, for the government to enact laws that tell everyone that being gay is just fine. To further the end of making everyone think of them as "normal," they paint everyone who opposes them as "homophobes," implying that they're actually scared of gays, or "ignorant," implying that they just don't know enough to realise that there's nothing wrong with being gay. It's a sick propoganda campaign of insults that will never get even the majority of Christians to believe that their sexual practices are anything less than sin.

HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA ESCALATES IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

By Linda P. Harvey
July 15, 2001
NewsWithViews.com

Pink triangles in classrooms. Grade school studies of "gay" history. Transvestite speakers. School-wide events to celebrate homosexuality. Student activists spreading propaganda through school publications. Legislation mandating homosexual indoctrination.

This was the school year 2000-2001. What will our neighborhood schools be doing this fall to support the relentless agenda of homosexual activists?

In the Massachusetts town of Newton, home of homosexual congressman Barney Frank, a high school history teacher taught that Alexander the Great was a "gay" man. Other teachers in Massachusetts are building lessons around the Stonewall Inn riots in Greenwich Village in 1969, an event credited by homosexual activists with kicking off the "gay rights" movement.1 In a third grade music class in a Massachusetts town, the male teacher told the children Tchiakovsky was a homosexual, and that society's "homophobia" prompted his suicide.

Newton North High School sponsored a special "To Be Gay" day, complete with inaccurate brochures heavily promoting transgendered behaviors (cross-dressing, having surgery to alter one's biological sex, etc.).2

All of this is taking place in a state where 156 schools host homosexual clubs, called "gay-straight alliances" by advocates.3 Such clubs are provided seed money by a state program to "support" students practicing homosexual behavior. Nationally, GLSEN has said there are over 800 such clubs. GLSEN, the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network, was founded in Massachusetts in the early 1990s by a male teacher engaged in homosexual activity.

In California, meanwhile, a week this past April at Santa Rosa High School was devoted to "Days of Diversity." Skits promoted homosexual and heterosexual promiscuous sex. One skit derided the Bible by implication, when a student actor who believed in a special "book" that she reads on Sunday, said that this book gave her permission to "hate." Parents were not fully informed about the contents of the workshops, and many feel they were deceived.

Younger children in another Marin County school saw a performance troupe called "Cootie Shots," whose skits depict families consisting of two mommies and two daddies. This group gains entry to schools by saying it offers programs on "tolerance and diversity." But their version of diversity is really cleverly packaged deviance. In one of the group's skits, the fairy-tale character Rapunzel cuts off her long hair and runs away with her girlfriend.4

The high school students also presented skits dealing with sexual molestation, rape, anorexia and suicide. Other workshops during this diversity week advocated radical environmentalism, socialism and animal rights.5 Some parents who had submitted the "opt-out" forms provided through California pro-family organizations had children who still attended the events. Legal action is being pursued by some of these parents against the school.6

Silencing Opponents, Not Tolerance, Is the Goal

And California faces even more problems if current legislation passes. After the passage of state law last session mandating diversity field trips and other pro-homosexual school activity, this session's legislature is considering SB. 225, which would require that schools with interscholastic sports teams adopt non-discrimination codes supporting "sexual orientation" as well as "perceived gender," or risk being banned from the California Interscholastic Federation. This reaches into the private school sector, which of course has been the goal of the activists all along. Nothing will satisfy until all of society is supportive of homosexuality. A second bill, SB 257, would force schools to target speech that opposes homosexuality as being discriminatory and equivalent to harassment.7

It's not just the liberal northeast and the "left coast" of California where these atrocities are being forced on children. At a high school near St. Paul, Minnesota, 16-year old Elliott Chambers was suspended when he wore a sweatshirt to school last January that said "Straight Pride" on the front. On the back was a sketch of a man and woman holding hands. Some students complained to the principal that they were offended.

Elliot says he had no idea the shirt would cause such an uproar. He had ordered it from a web site (straightpride.com) after someone had seen it at a political rally in the fall. He just thought it was "cool." After months of pro-homosexual indoctrination in his high school, he had quietly developed a dislike for the climate of bias.

"In our school, there are 50 regular classrooms that have been marked with pink triangles as 'safe' zones," Elliott says. The "safe zone" signate lists the name of a teacher as a resource. The idea is that students who have questions about their sexuality can go to this teacher "safely" -- in other words, knowing the teacher will be uncritical, even supportive of homosexuality. The procedure is that these teachers then refer the questioning student to a pro-homosexual counselor outside the school or an activist group like PFLAG, Elliott told us. This all happens without parental notification or consent.

But the atmosphere doesn't end with promotion, but also includes intimidation. Some Woodbury students have been given detentions if they use the phrase, "That's so gay," as an expression of distaste.

Yet teachers are free to express strong opinions as they wish, especially about Christianity. After a "holiday" concert at the school last Christmas season, one female math teacher opened a discussion about the song content, which was dominated by Christian songs. "Didn't you feel discriminated against?" she pointedly asked one Muslim girl.

Apparently, the school board of Woodbury High School as well as the PTA knew nothing about the pink triangles until the publicity surrounding Elliott's case. The "safe zone" program was an idea implemented by a male librarian along with the principal. After the case surfaced, the triangles were modified to add symbols to racial and religious equality as well as equality for those with disabilities.

Elliott's parents, Lena and Kendal Chambers, have sued the school district for its stubborn stance. In a preliminary injunction in May, a U.S. District court judge ruled in favor of the Chambers, saying there is "a strong likelihood" that the principal infringed upon Elliott's constitutional rights.8

Yet it could be worse. There are as yet no openly "gay" teachers at the school who might pose a risk to students as poor role models, or worse -- the threat of sexual molestation. People who profess a homosexual preference are much more likely to molest children and adolescents, especially males.9 A Newton, Massachusetts parent told us that at his child's elementary school, all five of the male teachers are openly homosexual. He believes this shows a clear preference in hiring.

There are, meanwhile, at schools throughout the country, student activists co-opting school publications to disseminate the myths of homosexual advocacy. They use the budding journalist's pen to claim it's an issue of "enlightenment and education" and a civil rights matter rather than well-documented unsafe behavior. At Upper Arlington High School in Columbus in April, students devoted ten pages of a slick magazine to an inaccurate and one-sided promotion of homosexuality. The advocacy was laced with the usual claims of "prejudice and ignorance" by conservatives. It also inaccurately portrayed the work of the ex-gay ministry Exodus International. (For more detail, see the May-June-July 2001 issue of Choice 4 Truth.)

An entire column also promoted a Columbus community "support" group for "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered" youth under 21. This group meets in a homosexual church, and even young teens can attend without parental notification or consent. Such groups exist throughout the country in most metropolitan areas, posing a high risk to children who can interact, socialize and be lured into sexual episodes by the older teens and adults who operate such groups.

Sexual Anarchy, Not Homosexuality, Is the Reality

An ethic of sexual anarchy with homosexuality as its lead issue is being deliberately sold to our youth under the guise of "safety" and "tolerance." Meanwhile, young people's lives and emotional stability are endangered if they make a decision in these tender years to engage in homosexual activity -- or are seduced into such acts by a teacher, coach, or older peer. As we have repeatedly said, there is no evidence of a genetic connection for homosexual desires, and a wealth of evidence that such feelings arise from emotional instability, often fueled by the confused legacy of sexual abuse. The thousands of ex-homosexuals testify to the fact that homosexual feelings can be changed, and it is a betrayal of our children not to let them know about this hope. Yet many schools now are being told by activist groups, including the ACLU and teacher organizations, that they must not encourage heterosexuality instead of homosexuality when counseling troubled or questioning kids.

The "gay" -friendly educational system continues to open its doors to groups like GLSEN and PFLAG, who have been aided by substantial funding boosts in recent years. Many concerned parents are removing their children from the public schools. But others, equally concerned, either do not have the option because of family circumstances, or have no clear educational alternative for their children. And, should we abandon the schools anyway? (ed. note: Absolutely! The sooner the better.)


Turning our backs on the culture and retreating into conservative or religious enclaves is what got us into this mess to begin with. Let's contact our local schools, find out what's going on, and join with other concerned citizens to make some changes this next school year.

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm

Certainly looks like an agenda to me!! Im referring to extemists here.

 

[GotZoom]

There is a place here in Memphis who "de-programs" homosexuals - in other words, converts them back to being straight. It was all over the news, protest, etc.

One of the homosexual protesters said that their fight is the same as the African-american back in the 60's; equal rights, etc.

If I were black, I would be outraged that someone would try to use "my" fight for freedom like that.

That kid who was suspended for his Straight-Pride sweatshirt makes me think of something I have said all along.

If a group of gays, or blacks, or hispanics get together and call it gay-pride, black-pride, hispanic-pride, it is embraced and applauded.

Let a group of straight people, or white people, or probably even U.S. citizens get together and call it straight-pride, white-pride, or american-pride, it will be called insensitive and racist.

 

[dmp]

maybe start a grass-roots 'www.straightpride.com' movement?

We can fill the parade with decently-dressed people, who don't flaunt their sexuality and sex acts in front of parade watchers.

Gay Pride parades are typically lewd...and attract a bunch of homos.

 

[GotZoom]

maybe start a grass-roots 'www.straightpride.com' movement?

We can fill the parade with decently-dressed people, who don't flaunt their sexuality and sex acts in front of parade watchers.

Gay Pride parades are typically lewd...and attract a bunch of homos.

Straight-pride parade - the line of people walking to a Nascar race.

 

[GotZoom]

maybe start a grass-roots 'www.straightpride.com' movement?

We can fill the parade with decently-dressed people, who don't flaunt their sexuality and sex acts in front of parade watchers.

Gay Pride parades are typically lewd...and attract a bunch of homos.

It would never happen my friend. Someone would complain as it being offensive and the authorities would shut us down.

 

[dmp]

Straight-pride parade - the line of people walking to a Nascar race.

Too bad they couldn't then participate in the straight-teeth parade.

 

[dilloduck]

There is a place here in Memphis who "de-programs" homosexuals - in other words, converts them back to being straight. It was all over the news, protest, etc.

One of the homosexual protesters said that their fight is the same as the African-american back in the 60's; equal rights, etc.

If I were black, I would be outraged that someone would try to use "my" fight for freedom like that.

That kid who was suspended for his Straight-Pride sweatshirt makes me think of something I have said all along.

If a group of gays, or blacks, or hispanics get together and call it gay-pride, black-pride, hispanic-pride, it is embraced and applauded.

Let a group of straight people, or white people, or probably even U.S. citizens get together and call it straight-pride, white-pride, or american-pride, it will be called insensitive and racist.

I'll say it again----white,straight,males cannot be discriminated against becuase they do NOT have a majority status----It's an us against them mentality. Anyone who doesn't feel empowered or feels they haven't gotten a fair shake at life will blame the majority and all will be gald to jump on each others bandwagon. The reality that some white, straight , males have just as many problems makes no difference to these people. We are scape goats.

 

[mattskramer]

Don't you think you go a bit to the extreme in your defense of aberrant people and trying to pass them off as normal?

No. I even said that it is more of a health risk to have sex with a homosexual than it is to have sex with a heterosexual. My defense is not extreme. Also, if you define "normal" as "conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical" then I would even say that homosexual behavior is not normal. Yet, just because a behavior is not normal, the behavior is not necessarily wrong.

 

[mattskramer]

What homosexuals want is legitimacy, for the government to enact laws that tell everyone that being gay is just fine. To further the end of making everyone think of them as "normal," they paint everyone who opposes them as "homophobes," implying that they're actually scared of gays, or "ignorant," implying that they just don't know enough to realise that there's nothing wrong with being gay. It's a sick propoganda campaign of insults that will never get even the majority of Christians to believe that their sexual practices are anything less than sin.

Let me see if I have this right. Laws tell everyone that certain things are just fine. Okay. I don't think that it is fine to smoke cigarettes. I don't think that it is fine to eat cheeseburgers each day. Yet those things are legal. Homosexuals paint everyone who opposes them as homophobes - So. I paint people who smoke as irresponsible cancer-stick-holders. People have a right to their own opinions - however erroneous they may be. No law can force someone to give up his opinion. Also, free speech still exists. Use it.

 

[dilloduck]

Let me see if I have this right. Laws tell everyone that certain things are just fine. Okay. I don't think that it is fine to smoke cigarettes. I don't think that it is fine to eat cheeseburgers each day. Yet those things are legal. Homosexuals paint everyone who opposes them as homophobes - So. I paint people who smoke as irresponsible cancer-stick-holders. People have a right to their own opinions - however erroneous they may be. No law can force someone to give up his opinion. Also, free speech still exists. Use it.

That's cancer -stick-holder and TAXPAYER if you please.

 

[mattskramer]

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm

Certainly looks like an agenda to me!! Im referring to extemists here.

The anti-homosexuality crowd has its agenda too. This is just one of the many reasons you I support the privatization of public schools.

 

[007]

Pale, where do you keep finding these lunatic hate merchants?

Typical liberal response there oh' hostess cream pie queen. When faced with facts, start in with the two bit lines of bull shit.

You're as predictable as any other dim witted liberal.

 

[mattskramer]

That's cancer -stick-holder and TAXPAYER if you please.

Uh...cancer-stick-holder and taxpayer...And your point is?

 

[Gunny]

No. I even said that it is more of a health risk to have sex with a homosexual than it is to have sex with a heterosexual. My defense is not extreme. Also, if you define "normal" as "conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical" then I would even say that homosexual behavior is not normal. Yet, just because a behavior is not normal, the behavior is not necessarily wrong.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter what argument you put out here, nor how many facts get twisted and BS comparisons are made, it IS wrong.

 

[mattskramer]

No. I even said that it is more of a health risk to have sex with a homosexual than it is to have sex with a heterosexual. My defense is not extreme. Also, if you define "normal" as "conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical" then I would even say that homosexual behavior is not normal. Yet, just because a behavior is not normal, the behavior is not necessarily wrong.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter what argument you put out here, nor how many facts get twisted and BS comparisons are made, it IS wrong.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is what it comes down to, I suppose. No matter what reasoning I put forth, I doubt that I will change your mind on the issue. No matter what stuff you put forth, I doubt that you will change my mind on the issue. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[dilloduck]

Uh...cancer-stick-holder and taxpayer...And your point is?

We pay YOU for us to smoke.

 

[mattskramer]

We pay YOU for us to smoke.

You said that "We pay YOU for us to smoke." I still don't get your point. Please give more detail and help me try to understand your point.

Is it that if gay marriage is recognized we would soon be paying taxes for gays spouse benefits under federal employee compensation arrangements? If that is you point then that is one of the misfortunes of having big government and a reason why it should be reduced. I pay taxes on many things that I don't like. That is just the way it goes. Besides, based on conservative statistics, very very very few people are gay. If that is not your point, please explain.