Liberals Hate Christians

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    By Mark K. Lewis

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    Recently I was having a conversation, over the Internet, with an agnostic from Missouri. During our conversation, he accused religious people of being "mean*spirited, hateful, judgmental." I asked him, "If everybody in this country would faithfully follow the teachings of Jesus, how many drug pushers would there be? How many cases of AIDS? How many battered wives? How many illegitimate children living in poverty?" He was honest enough to answer, None," to which I replied that such is the goal of the religious, though eternal salvation must be the ultimate aim.

    The conversation was instructive in other ways and led me to ponder the question of why liberals hate religion. There is no doubt that the reasons vary among individuals, but it is important for us to realize that hatred of religion is inherent in the liberal philosophy simply because of what they view as the results of religion.

    Over 200 years ago, the French philosopher, Voltaire, wrote:


    Religion is the chief cause of all the sorrows of humanity. Everywhere it has only served to drive men to evil, and plunge them in brutal miseries...it makes for history an immense tableau of human follies.
    An influential l9th century American, Benjamin Franklin Underwood, explained further:


    To many liberals, Christianity appears an unmitigated evil; a superstition which although it had its origin in innocent ignorance and credulity, has been the greatest obstacle to human progress that mankind has had to encounter.
    The atheist Robert Ingersoll said that the church had, for 1,000 years, "extinguished the torch of progress in the blood of Christ." Unfortunately, he did not know the difference between pure New Testament Christianity and the gross perversions and deviations of Catholicism and Protestantism.

    Liberals' obvious hatred of (their understanding of) Christianity in our country today proceeds from their belief that Christianity has been a hindrance to progress and has resulted in much evil. Rather than liberals reading the New Testaments and trying to comprehend what the religion of Jesus Christ really is, they prefer to look back in history and recall cruelties, immoralities, and butcheries done by those who really have no close connection to the truth and label that Christianity.

    This idea has had a tremendous effect in our country, indeed, it underlies the entire educational system. Dr. John Dewey, who is known as the father of modern American education, was no friend of Christianity. Indeed, he was a very good liberal:


    The objection to supernaturalism is that it stands in the way of an effective realization of the sweep and depth of the implications of natural human relations. It stands in the way of using the means that are in our power to make radical changes in these relations.
    In other words, Christianity is a hindrance to liberal ideas of progressive social relations. It must be removed. This is a cardinal tenet of liberalism today, and it is clear why there is no desire among the left to promote the Christian faith, why they defend abortion, homosexuality, pre* and extramarital sex, and almost every other vile crudity that pervades our country: men must be "free," and Christianity is the greatest obstacle to that freedom and does all sorts of evil to prevent people from being "free" In the liberal mind, "freedom" equals "progress," so, Christianity must be eliminated, or at least relegated to a non*influential role in society's affairs.


    (Editor's Note: We thank brother Lewis for his fine piece. Reading it made me realize why liberals in the schools among us are so dead*set against the church and so determined to change it. Still, "man is not wiser than God" - H. A. (Buster) Dobbs.)


    http://www.bible-infonet.org/ff/articles/apologetics/112_03_19.htm
     
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    Interesting article, Pale. I think that people who despise Christianity (as do so many liberals here and in Europe), do so because in some small way it tugs at their conscience while they sin. Here they are just trying to have fun and live irresponsibly, and some religion's tenets tell them it's wrong! You tend to get angry at the person/institution that convicts your conscience. Also, when you live in sin, whether you admit it or not, you can feel "less than" the person who tries to live righteously, and that can in turn make you resent them for making you feel that way.
     
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    Well said, I would also say that for those whose desire it is to make people get in line with Socialism/Communism those who are religious and devoted are usually strongly principled therefore harder to succumb to brainwashing. If you look at all civilizations that espoused Communism or Totalitarianism one of the first things they did was eradicate open practice and spread of religion, in some cases making it a crime of treason.
     
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    Since I am both a "liberal" and a Christian, does this mean I hate myself?
    Some people need to get their heads out of their arses and join the real world.
     
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    Excellent point, Bonnie. Bibles are often the first thing to be banned.

    Here are excerpts from a 2003 article from the Christian website Worldmissions.com:

    Bibles Banned in Malaysia
    Patrick Goodenough
    Pacific Rim Bureau Chief

    Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) -
    ...In a decision indigenous Christians in eastern Malaysia have found incomprehensible, their government in Kuala Lumpur - which considers itself one of Asia's more successful democracies - has banned the Bible in their native tongue.

    The Iban, the largest of 27 indigenous ethnic groups in Sarawak province on Borneo island, have since 1988 had access to the entire Bible in their own language, published by the Bible Society of Malaysia.

    But now the mainly Muslim government's Home Ministry has named the Iban-language Bible as one of 35 publications it is banning because they are considered "detrimental to public peace."

    ...The books were listed in a ministry statement that cited various publication laws and said the "printing, import, production, reproduction, sale, circulation, distribution and possession of books listed under the schedule are banned in the country." Anyone found guilty of breaching the ban faces up to three years in jail, fines of up to $5,200 or both.

    About 9 percent of Malaysia's 23 million people are Christians, and most live in the east of the country. Iban is spoken by more than 400,000 people, members of a Borneo tribe that was once feared for its head-hunting. Many have converted to Christianity, while some still practice traditional religious rituals.

    Islam is Malaysia's official religion, although the federal constitution guarantees the right of all citizens to profess, practice and propagate their religion.

    ...The secretary-general of the Malaysia National Evangelical Christian Fellowship, the Rev. Wong Kim Kong, said from Kuala Lumpur there had for some time been difficulties over the fact that some words used in Islam were also used in Christian publications.

    ..."In a multi-cultural, multi-religious society like ours, it is important for the government to go through a process of what we call 'natural justice' - it should consult or discuss with the organizations concerned before making a decision affecting them."

    ...The Iban version was now in its eighth edition, and a run of around 5,000 were printed about every five years, he said...

    http://www.worldmissions.com/persecution_watch/
     
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    Well you might hate yourself, but not necessarily. Many liberals call themselves "progressive" Christians, and ignore the Bible in order to continue living a hedonistic lifestyle. Living by God's Word is optional in these Christianity-light churches.
     
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    I believe that anything that brings people closer to the Word of God is acceptable. Even preferable, since we don't want them turning into fundies. :p:
     
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    Actually I would probably say that most liberals don't hate christianity, or even the majority of Christians, what they dislike is soap box preachers yelling at the top of their lungs that this and that kind of person is going to hell. Now this is a minority among christian, but it is a visible, and very audible minority.
     
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    Interesting post, but while it is true that a lot of people (myself included) look askance at superstition and don't like being told what to do or what should be legal or illegal by people based upon their superstitions, this is not a "liberal" trait.

    Scepticism is a conservative trait. Not believing something that is not or can not be proven is conservative.
     
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    Damn .... you libs hijacked that too? ;)
     

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