If you support abortion bans...

And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.

That is the case with many legal issues. There is a lot of debate on where self defense ends and murder begins.


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And soon we as a society are going to have to make a very hard decision. There will be many unhappy people with whatever decision is made. Thanks to medical technology we have children able to live outside the human body until they are able to breathe on their own. That time will slowly advance. Right now it maybe a coin toss if a state would call the willful death of a premature baby as an abortion or a murder.
 
And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.

That is the case with many legal issues. There is a lot of debate on where self defense ends and murder begins.


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And soon we as a society are going to have to make a very hard decision. There will be many unhappy people with whatever decision is made. Thanks to medical technology we have children able to live outside the human body until they are able to breathe on their own. That time will slowly advance. Right now it maybe a coin toss if a state would call the willful death of a premature baby as an abortion or a murder.

Do you really think there are enough people in this country that want to charge women with murder for having an abortion for it to become law?

If it did become law, would we not then have to investigate every miscarriage to ensure the mother was not at fault?


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And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.

That is the case with many legal issues. There is a lot of debate on where self defense ends and murder begins.


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And soon we as a society are going to have to make a very hard decision. There will be many unhappy people with whatever decision is made. Thanks to medical technology we have children able to live outside the human body until they are able to breathe on their own. That time will slowly advance. Right now it maybe a coin toss if a state would call the willful death of a premature baby as an abortion or a murder.

Do you really think there are enough people in this country that want to charge women with murder for having an abortion for it to become law?

If it did become law, would we not then have to investigate every miscarriage to ensure the mother was not at fault?


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Thank you for taking everything to the ludicrous extreme.

As I stated earlier we as a society will eventually be forced by medical technology to decide when life begins.

As it is now the death of a premature baby may or may not be considered murder.
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Probably not because in all cases you're trampling on individual rights with Big Government. However in no way am I opposed to birth control and find it much preferable to abortion, naturally.
Isn't big government banning the abortion procedure a "trampling on individual rights"?
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?
I actually think this is the best way the for pro-life movement to make their point. To go out to troubled neighborhoods, or schools, or whatever and offer to provide IUDs for free. If pro-life really wants to make an airtight argument, pass a bill along with it offering free BC to all. Minor price to pay considering the loss of life. It does go against conservative values to create another huge government program, but again it should be a trade off they should be willing to make if it ends abortion.

That being said, the left still would never go for it. Abortion is sacrosanct to them.
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?
Leave the government/schools out of personal business...
Isn't a federal ban on abortion the epitome of government interference in a personal life? Should the government interfere with the decisions between a woman and her doctor?
No one is asking for a federal ban on abortion, dude. We want Roe v. Wade to be overturned so that states can decide what THEY want to do. New York City and Chicago will still be able to kill their third trimester babies if they want.

No offense intended but no.

Saying you want abortion turned back over to the States to decide individually is like expecting the courts to return the issue of slavery over to the States after they reversed their Dred Scott decision.

Abortions are a violation of a child's Constitutional rights. That makes it a Federal issue. Not a State one.
 
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Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?
Leave the government/schools out of personal business...
Isn't a federal ban on abortion the epitome of government interference in a personal life? Should the government interfere with the decisions between a woman and her doctor?
No one is asking for a federal ban on abortion, dude. We want Roe v. Wade to be overturned so that states can decide what THEY want to do. New York City and Chicago will still be able to kill their third trimester babies if they want.

No offense intended but no.

Saying you want abortion turned back over to the States to decide individually is like expecting the courts to return the issue of slavery over to the States after they reversed their Dred Scott decision.

Abortions are a violation of a child's Constitutional rights. That nakes it a Federal issue. Not a State one.

Good luck convicting the SCOTUS that abortion violates the rights of the child.


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People need to stop making private choices the liability of the taxpayer.
Tummy tucks, sex changes, breast augmentation, etc. are personal choices as is having sex without insurance to cover the cost of the results of that union.

If we could postpone sexual activity until after college graduation, we could eliminate STIs (STDs.)

Yeah, good luck with that....

Hey on that subject, let's get rid of all heart surgery, If you need heart surgery, it's usually because of your own poor life choices. - eating fatty foods, smoking, etc.
Heart disease is a destructive disease that many times leads to death. There is no pregnancy disease that, if left untreated, leads to death without intervening factors.
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?
Leave the government/schools out of personal business...
Isn't a federal ban on abortion the epitome of government interference in a personal life? Should the government interfere with the decisions between a woman and her doctor?
No one is asking for a federal ban on abortion, dude. We want Roe v. Wade to be overturned so that states can decide what THEY want to do. New York City and Chicago will still be able to kill their third trimester babies if they want.

No offense intended but no.

Saying you want abortion turned back over to the States to decide individually is like expecting the courts to return the issue of slavery over to the States after they reversed their Dred Scott decision.

Abortions are a violation of a child's Constitutional rights. That nakes it a Federal issue. Not a State one.

Good luck convicting the SCOTUS that abortion violates the rights of the child.


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Our fetal homicide laws which already make it a crime of MURDER to kill a "child in the womb in any stage of development during a criminal act" is a key part of doing exactly that.

Interesting that the SCOTUS has not overturned any of those murder convictions so far. Isn't it?
 
And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.

That is the case with many legal issues. There is a lot of debate on where self defense ends and murder begins.


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And soon we as a society are going to have to make a very hard decision. There will be many unhappy people with whatever decision is made. Thanks to medical technology we have children able to live outside the human body until they are able to breathe on their own. That time will slowly advance. Right now it maybe a coin toss if a state would call the willful death of a premature baby as an abortion or a murder.

Do you really think there are enough people in this country that want to charge women with murder for having an abortion for it to become law?

If it did become law, would we not then have to investigate every miscarriage to ensure the mother was not at fault?


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There are practically 0 people that want to charge mothers with abortions.

That is a pointless talking point. The pro-life position is against the sanctioning of abortion though medical practice.
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Probably not because in all cases you're trampling on individual rights with Big Government. However in no way am I opposed to birth control and find it much preferable to abortion, naturally.
Isn't big government banning the abortion procedure a "trampling on individual rights"?
Only if you forget that there are 3 people involved and not 2.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

I worked with a female Marine that had had two abortions by the time she was 23. She had no issues with it at all, talked about them openly.


Thus is the problem with anecdotes...everyone has one and they add nothing to the discussion.


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Well, your's really boosts the same message though. It takes a special moral depravity to have no problem killing an unborn child not once but twice.
 
Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?
Leave the government/schools out of personal business...
Isn't a federal ban on abortion the epitome of government interference in a personal life? Should the government interfere with the decisions between a woman and her doctor?
New Report Shows Planned Parenthood Raked in $1.5 Billion in Taxpayer Funds Over 3 Years
People need to stop making private choices the liability of the taxpayer.
Tummy tucks, sex changes, breast augmentation, etc. are personal choices as is having sex without insurance to cover the cost of the results of that union.

If we could postpone sexual activity until after college graduation, we could eliminate STIs (STDs.)

Statistics Abortion Costs Us $9 Trillion
If there are about 1,000,000 abortions a year, that is $6.5 billion of lost economic activity per year as a result of abortion! And, if the Department of Transportation's estimate about the economic value of a life is correct, than 1,000,000 abortions costs us more than $9 trillion (yes, trillion with a “t”) in lost economic and social impact.

To put this number in perspective, $9 trillion is greater than the entire GDP of Japan and Germany combined, the third and fourth most prosperous economies in the world. Every year that abortion continues in America, we lose an additional $9 trillion in lifetime economic impact.


The total estimated direct cost of STIs annually in the U.S. about $16 billion.

STIs Sexually Transmitted Infections Statistics | American Sexual Health Association
  • One in two sexually active persons will contract an STI by age 25.1
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that nearly 20 million new STIs occur every year in this country, half of those among young people aged 15–24. 2
  • Even though young people account for half of new STI cases, a recent survey showed only about 12% were tested for STIs in the last year.3
  • CDC estimates that undiagnosed STIs cause 24,000 women to become infertile each year.4
  • The total estimated direct cost of STIs annually in the U.S. about $16 billion.5
HPV
  • Researchers estimate that at least 80% of sexually active people will have an HPV infection at some point in their lifetime.6
  • CDC data for 2013–2014 show that about 42% of men and 40% of women aged 18-59 had genital HPV at that time.7
  • HPV is responsible for approximately 31,500 cases of cancer each year, including nearly all cases of cervical and anal cancer, about 75% of vaginal cancer, 70% of oropharyngeal cancer, and 69% of vulvar cancer.8
  • Within 6 years of the introduction of the first HPV vaccine, there was a 64% decrease in HPV prevalence among females aged 14 to 19 years and a 34% decrease among those aged 20 to 24 years.9
Herpes
  • Herpes infection is common. About 1 in 8 people aged 14-49 in the U.S. has genital herpes.10
  • About 1 in 2 people ages 14-49 in the U.S. are infected with HSV-1, which is the typical cause of oral herpes. However, increasing numbers of genital herpes cases are caused by HSV-1.11
  • Symptoms of genital herpes often go unnoticed. Most people with genital herpes—close to 90%—don’t know they have the infection. 12
  • Globally, researchers estimate that about two-thirds of the population under age 50—more than 3.7 billion people–are infected with HSV-1. Some 140 million people aged 15-49 are infected with genital HSV-1, primarily in the Americas, Europe and Western Pacific.13
Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Syphilis
  • In 2015, rates of the three most common reportable STIs—chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis—reached a record high level. The approximately 1.5 million reported cases of chlamydia represent the highest number of annual cases of any condition ever reported to CDC.2
  • While CDC and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend annual chlamydia screening for sexually active young women ages 15-24, fewer than half of eligible women are screened according the guidelines.14
  • Young people ages 15 to 24 years old accounted for 65% of chlamydia diagnoses and 50% of gonorrhea diagnoses in 2015.2
  • During 2014–2015, rates of syphilis in both men and women increased in every region of the country.15
  • From 2013–2015, the reported gonorrhea infections increased each year. In 2015, a total of 395,216 cases were reported for a rate of 123.9 gonorrhea cases per 100,000 population.15
  • In women, undiagnosed and untreated chlamydia and gonorrhea can lead to pelvic inflammatory disease. (PID). According to CDC, 1 in 8 women with a history of PID experience difficulties getting pregnant.16
Hepatitis
  • CDC estimates that approximately 850,000 persons are living with hepatitis B in the U.S., although other studies have estimated this number to be as high as 2.2 million.17
  • The rate of new hepatitis B infections has declined by approximately 82% since 1991, when routine vaccination of children was first recommended.18
  • Of the more than 3 million people living with Hepatitis C, 3 out of every 4 are “Baby Boomers,” born from 1945-1965. Baby boomers are five times more likely to have Hepatitis C than other adults.19
HIV
  • According to CDC, 1.1 million people in the US are living with HIV, and 1 in 7 of them don’t know it.20
  • In 2015, 39,513 people were diagnosed with HIV infection in the U.S. in 2015.20
  • In 2013, an estimated 42% of Americans living with diagnosed HIV were aged 50 and older, 25% were aged 55 and older, and 6% were aged 65 and older.21
  • Pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP, involves talking a daily medication to prevent HIV infection in people who are HIV-negative. When taken consistently, PrEP has shown to reduce HIV infection risk by up to 92%.22
References Statistics | American Sexual Health Association

planned parenthood gets an independant audit every year & no fed funds go to their abortion services.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

i know a couple of females that terminated their pregnancies back in the 80's & they are grateful as hell they had a choice & still don't regret it one bit.
 
And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.

That is the case with many legal issues. There is a lot of debate on where self defense ends and murder begins.


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And soon we as a society are going to have to make a very hard decision. There will be many unhappy people with whatever decision is made. Thanks to medical technology we have children able to live outside the human body until they are able to breathe on their own. That time will slowly advance. Right now it maybe a coin toss if a state would call the willful death of a premature baby as an abortion or a murder.

Do you really think there are enough people in this country that want to charge women with murder for having an abortion for it to become law?

If it did become law, would we not then have to investigate every miscarriage to ensure the mother was not at fault?


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There are practically 0 people that want to charge mothers with abortions.

That is a pointless talking point. The pro-life position is against the sanctioning of abortion though medical practice.

trump wanted it & said so....before the backlash he got; then he suddenly changed his mind.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

i know a couple of females that terminated their pregnancies back in the 80's & they are grateful as hell they had a choice & still don't regret it one bit.

Yes a choice to kill. What a blessing
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

I worked with a female Marine that had had two abortions by the time she was 23. She had no issues with it at all, talked about them openly.


Thus is the problem with anecdotes...everyone has one and they add nothing to the discussion.


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Well, your's really boosts the same message though. It takes a special moral depravity to have no problem killing an unborn child not once but twice.
It takes a special moral depravity to insist that a fetus be brought to term regardless of the circumstances , then turn your back on the family after the child is born in terms of health care, nutrition, housing, a living wage for the parent, day care and pre school and so much more.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

i know a couple of females that terminated their pregnancies back in the 80's & they are grateful as hell they had a choice & still don't regret it one bit.

Yes a choice to kill. What a blessing

oh please... you & your ilk call yerselves pro life.... but y'all are just pro birth... after that cord is cut, then the brat & his whore/welfare queen mama are on their own. no WIC, no SNAP, no section 8, no medicaid..... cause that cost money & you don't want to share & do what it takes to actually care for them thar brats.


right?


right.
 

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