If you support abortion bans...

Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans?

No...

Would you support condom distribution in schools?

Hell No...

Would you support a national sex Ed program?

Phuck No...
Painting young women into a corner.

If you want fewer abortions, provide an alternative.
Lol
Very few abortions are due to rape/incest, The vast majority of abortions are due to bad life choices. And the most innocent party of the three has to pay the ultimate price…

Why involve other people in the bad life choices... And certainly no one should be paying for someone else’s bad life choices.
 
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Would you then support mandatory coverage for birth control in health care insurance plans? Would you support condom distribution in schools? Would you support a national sex Ed program?

No. No. No.

It is not the place of the Government to provide materials for the sole purpose of allowing people to avoid the Consequences of their knowingly chosen actions.
 
No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion
Lol
See that’s the problem with socialism/the collective, It’s very existence doesn’t mean that it’s right.
BTW... Socialist entitlement programs dominate all government spending, an diminishing return Is the best anyone can expect from such a fuck up.
 
No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

I thought you were a libertarian?

Can you explain how forcing someone to buy a policy they don't want fits into the libertarian framework?

It does not fit into that framework. But then again neither does being against abortion in general.

This is what I meant above when I spoke of political ideology vs desire to see less abortions.

My views against abortion are strong enough to override my other political views.

I want to see fewer abortions and the best way to do that is to have fewer pregnancies.


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No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

I thought you were a libertarian?

Can you explain how forcing someone to buy a policy they don't want fits into the libertarian framework?

It does not fit into that framework. But then again neither does being against abortion in general.

This is what I meant above when I spoke of political ideology vs desire to see less abortions.

My views against abortion are strong enough to override my other political views.

I want to see fewer abortions and the best way to do that is to have fewer pregnancies.


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Lol
Poor life choices are the driver of the vast majority of abortions... People need to own their fuck ups.

The collective never has the moral high ground
 
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Poor life choices are the driver of the vast majority of abortions... People need to own their fuck ups.

The collective never has the moral high ground


They own their fuck up by killing the baby.

I think that is a bad thing and would like to see less of it. You do not care about the baby as long you get to make stupid political slogans.

That is the difference between us


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I think murder is an appropriate term actually. When everyone thinks of murder they’re not thinking about the strict legal interpretation. Killing someone who doesn’t represent a threat to you or hasn’t done anything to you to justify you killing them is murder. It’s even worse when the person who is killed is a helpless victim. You’re correct only in terms of semantics.

do you call it murder when the military kills civilians during a war?

No, because there’s no intent.
 
No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

I thought you were a libertarian?

Can you explain how forcing someone to buy a policy they don't want fits into the libertarian framework?

It does not fit into that framework. But then again neither does being against abortion in general.

This is what I meant above when I spoke of political ideology vs desire to see less abortions.

My views against abortion are strong enough to override my other political views.

I want to see fewer abortions and the best way to do that is to have fewer pregnancies.


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Wow, it sounds like you are really, really worried about all the abortions.

Are you not pro-choice?
 
I think murder is an appropriate term actually. When everyone thinks of murder they’re not thinking about the strict legal interpretation. Killing someone who doesn’t represent a threat to you or hasn’t done anything to you to justify you killing them is murder. It’s even worse when the person who is killed is a helpless victim. You’re correct only in terms of semantics.

do you call it murder when the military kills civilians during a war?

No, because there’s no intent.

Do any of the new abortion laws include murder charges for the mother and doctor of abortions preformed outside their restrictions?


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Lol
Poor life choices are the driver of the vast majority of abortions... People need to own their fuck ups.

The collective never has the moral high ground


They own their fuck up by killing the baby.

I think that is a bad thing and would like to see less of it. You do not care about the baby as long you get to make stupid political slogans.

That is the difference between us


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Lol
Abortion is as politically correct as you can get, in fact it is part of what represents political correctness.
I think abortion should be an states issue, But that’s just me.
The fact remains all abortions are the same, there are three parties involved… The most innocent party pays the ultimate price. Fact

And forcing people that want nothing to do with baby butchery to pay for it… That’s beyond fucked up
 
No, no and no.

Old people don't need birth control because of their age induced sterility, so why should they buy a policy that includes it? Sodomy as well is non-procreative, homos don't need birth control either. Same with celibate individuals- why should groups of nuns or monks or incel individuals have to buy a policy that doesn't cover them. Further, some major religious groups including the Catholic Church are morally opposed to contraception.

Ditto for schools, a lot of students belong to religious faiths that do not sanction prophylactics.

As far as a national sex ed program, different Americans have different ideas about sex ed.

Old people, or really anyone without kids do not need schools, but yet they all help pay for them.

It all comes down to if your political ideology is more important than decreasing the number of abortion

I thought you were a libertarian?

Can you explain how forcing someone to buy a policy they don't want fits into the libertarian framework?

It does not fit into that framework. But then again neither does being against abortion in general.

This is what I meant above when I spoke of political ideology vs desire to see less abortions.

My views against abortion are strong enough to override my other political views.

I want to see fewer abortions and the best way to do that is to have fewer pregnancies.


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Wow, it sounds like you are really, really worried about all the abortions.

Are you not pro-choice?

No, I am not pro-choice. I am anti-abortion, have been most of my adult life.


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Lol
Poor life choices are the driver of the vast majority of abortions... People need to own their fuck ups.

The collective never has the moral high ground


They own their fuck up by killing the baby.

I think that is a bad thing and would like to see less of it. You do not care about the baby as long you get to make stupid political slogans.

That is the difference between us


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Lol
Abortion is as politically correct as you can get, in fact it is part of what represents political correctness.
I think abortion should be an states issue, But that’s just me.
The fact remains all abortions are the same, there are three parties involved… The most innocent party pays the ultimate price. Fact

And forcing people that want nothing to do with baby butchery to pay for it… That’s beyond fucked up

At least we agree on one thing, we should not be paying for abortion.


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I support abortion bans in principle, because abortion is murder. However if abortion is banned, women will still have them.

How many (what percentage?) of women would still seek abortions, if every medical and legal source was informing them of the biological fact that a child's life and rights begins at conception?

It’s the most deceptive and shameful tactic of the left to deny the most important fact when faced with the issue of abortion.
 
I support abortion bans in principle, because abortion is murder. However if abortion is banned, women will still have them.
Abortion is not ‘murder’ – and the notion of ‘banning’ abortion is devoid of principle, it’s just authoritarianism.
So at what point do you begin to claim it is murder? A year after birth? A week after birth? Immediately after? A week before? What determines the difference between abortion and murder? At what point does the father have a say? Never or at some point in the process?

Do you agree that a premature birth should be eligible for abortion? If not would that be murder? If so then why is it not murder?

Murder is 100% a legal term, so it matters not what you or Clayton claim, all that matters is what the legal system states.
And there is the problem it seems no one can agree on even a legal definition of where the crossover is.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.
 
I had a friend one time. She was a happy girl but not too bright. She had an abortion. Subsequently she went into a spiraling depression. She didn’t understand why, but I knew it had to do with the abortion. I’ve also known women who have had abortions, also felt depressed afterwards, and have later on lived to regret their decision.

I worked with a female Marine that had had two abortions by the time she was 23. She had no issues with it at all, talked about them openly.


Thus is the problem with anecdotes...everyone has one and they add nothing to the discussion.


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When I was at Subic Bay with the Marines there was a large box next to the gate heading to town. In that box was thousands of rubbers, on your way out a grabbed some.

That is how easy and accessible birth control should be, in my opinion.



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