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[BecauseIKnow]

No he isn't considered the most important Islamic scholar in history.

 

[Maryland]

No he isn't considered the most important Islamic scholar in history.

Yes, he is. Now, you know.

Ibn Khaldun - Philosopher and Historian

 

[Coyote]

Eminent Islamc Scholar Ibn Khaldun, "The Muqaddimah"

In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, the caliphate and royal authority are united in Islam, so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them at the same time.

The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty to them, save only for purposes of defence. It has thus come about that the person in charge of religious affairs in other religious groups is not concerned with power politics at all. Among them royal authority comes to those who have it--by accident and in some way that has nothing to do with religion. It comes to them as a necessary result of group feeling, which by its very nature seeks to obtain royal authority, as we have mentioned before, and not because they are under obligation to gain power over other religions, as is the case with Islam. They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people.

From the same source (which you did not link to): Opinion of Islamic scholars on Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ramadan Buti, a contemporary Orthodox scholar from Syria, in his work on the subject Jihad in Islam says

Even before Muhammad conducted Jihad by sword against the unbelievers, there is no doubt the Prophet (s) invited these unbelievers peacefully, lodged protests against their beliefs and strove to remove their misgivings about Islam. When they refused any other solution, but rather declared a war against him and his message and initiated the fight, there was no alternative except to fight back"[1]

l-Hajj Talib 'Abdur-Rashid, imam of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem, NY, defines three levels of jihad—personal, verbal and physical. Considering each in turn:

Personal Jihad: This is the most important form. This type of jihad, called the Jihadun-Nafs, is the intimate struggle to purify one's soul of evil influences -- both subtle and overt. It is the struggle to cleanse one's spirit of sin. Putting "Allah ahead of our loved ones, our wealth, our worldly ambitions and our own lives." Resisting pressure of parents, peers and society; strive against "the rejecters of faith..." (Qur'an [Quran 25:52]) "...strive and struggle to live as true Muslims..." "Striving for righteous deeds."Spreading the message of Islam. "The (true) believers are only those who believe in Allah and his messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their selves for the cause of Allah. Such are the truthful." ([Quran 49:15])

Verbal Jihad: To strive for justice through words and non-violent actions. Muhammad encouraged Muslims to demand justice in the name of Allah. When asked: "'What kind of jihad is better?' Muhammad replied, 'A word of truth in front of an oppressive ruler(Nisai). According to M. Amir Ali, Jihad explained

The life of the Prophet Muhammad was full of striving to gain the freedom to inform and convey the message of Islam. During his stay in Makkah [Mecca] he used non-violent methods and after the establishment of his government in Madinah [Medina], by the permission of Allah, he used armed struggle against his enemies whenever he found it inevitable.

Physical Jihad: This relates to the use of physical force in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, the Qur'an recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land: "Lo! Those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape persecution) and strive (Jahadu) in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy..." ([Quran 2:218]). If relocation is not possible, then Allah also requires Muslims to defend themselves against oppression by "fighting against those who fight against us." 2 The Qur'an states: "To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to defend themselves], because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory." ([Quran 22:39]) [4]

I suggest that you consider Jihad is not as simple as Jihadwatch and it's ilk makes it out to be and there can be many ways of interpreting it by Muslim believers.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Here are some scholars. As I said, she wants her view and as Coyote pointed out that's it. No other interpretation or opinion.

Opinion of Islamic scholars on Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BecauseIKnow]

No he isn't considered the most important Islamic scholar in history.

Yes, he is. Now, you know.

Ibn Khaldun - Philosopher and Historian

Your link says he's one of the greatest Arabic historians. Not Islamic scholar. The most important scholars were around Islam's beginning you baffoon. So no, I and neither anyone knows.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Coyote we posted the same link at the same time. LOL.

 

[Coyote]

The irony here is the Old Testement - a book which binds Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

It's full of horror. Murder, killing of unbelievers, smiting, revenge and, well bloodshed.

Yet, I'm willing to bet if quotes from it were to be brought up...we would be treated to a treatise on how it's taken out of context or no longer applicable...


Yet...hey...with Islam, different rules apply, right?

 

[Hossfly]

Have an intelligent adult explain what GDP is, dummy.

I used to tutor college students in economics and accounting.

How about you?

Is this the best you can do?

Tinnie is being modest, TD. He actually tutored students to prepare them for MENSA examinations.

 

[toastman]

Eminent Islamc Scholar Ibn Khaldun, "The Muqaddimah"

In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, the caliphate and royal authority are united in Islam, so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them at the same time.

The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty to them, save only for purposes of defence. It has thus come about that the person in charge of religious affairs in other religious groups is not concerned with power politics at all. Among them royal authority comes to those who have it--by accident and in some way that has nothing to do with religion. It comes to them as a necessary result of group feeling, which by its very nature seeks to obtain royal authority, as we have mentioned before, and not because they are under obligation to gain power over other religions, as is the case with Islam. They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people.

From the same source (which you did not link to): Opinion of Islamic scholars on Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ramadan Buti, a contemporary Orthodox scholar from Syria, in his work on the subject Jihad in Islam says

Even before Muhammad conducted Jihad by sword against the unbelievers, there is no doubt the Prophet (s) invited these unbelievers peacefully, lodged protests against their beliefs and strove to remove their misgivings about Islam. When they refused any other solution, but rather declared a war against him and his message and initiated the fight, there was no alternative except to fight back"[1]

l-Hajj Talib 'Abdur-Rashid, imam of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem, NY, defines three levels of jihad—personal, verbal and physical. Considering each in turn:

Personal Jihad: This is the most important form. This type of jihad, called the Jihadun-Nafs, is the intimate struggle to purify one's soul of evil influences -- both subtle and overt. It is the struggle to cleanse one's spirit of sin. Putting "Allah ahead of our loved ones, our wealth, our worldly ambitions and our own lives." Resisting pressure of parents, peers and society; strive against "the rejecters of faith..." (Qur'an [Quran 25:52]) "...strive and struggle to live as true Muslims..." "Striving for righteous deeds."Spreading the message of Islam. "The (true) believers are only those who believe in Allah and his messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their selves for the cause of Allah. Such are the truthful." ([Quran 49:15])

Verbal Jihad: To strive for justice through words and non-violent actions. Muhammad encouraged Muslims to demand justice in the name of Allah. When asked: "'What kind of jihad is better?' Muhammad replied, 'A word of truth in front of an oppressive ruler(Nisai). According to M. Amir Ali, Jihad explained

The life of the Prophet Muhammad was full of striving to gain the freedom to inform and convey the message of Islam. During his stay in Makkah [Mecca] he used non-violent methods and after the establishment of his government in Madinah [Medina], by the permission of Allah, he used armed struggle against his enemies whenever he found it inevitable.

Physical Jihad: This relates to the use of physical force in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, the Qur'an recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land: "Lo! Those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape persecution) and strive (Jahadu) in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy..." ([Quran 2:218]). If relocation is not possible, then Allah also requires Muslims to defend themselves against oppression by "fighting against those who fight against us." 2 The Qur'an states: "To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to defend themselves], because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory." ([Quran 22:39]) [4]

I suggest that you consider Jihad is not as simple as Jihadwatch and it's ilk makes it out to be and there can be many ways of interpreting it by Muslim believers.

It doesn't matter how they interpret it matters how they apply it to real life
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

 

[Maryland]

Here are some scholars. As I said, she wants her view and as Coyote pointed out that's it. No other interpretation or opinion.

Opinion of Islamic scholars on Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?


Eminent Islamic Scholar Dr. Bernard Lewis, PhD; Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, Author, "Islam: The Religion And The People," "Islam and The West," "The Emergence Of Modern Turkey," "The Arabs In History," "The Muslim Discovery Of Europe," "Islam In History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East" "The Political Language of Islam," "Islam: From The Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople," The Islamic World: From Classical to Modern Times," "The World Of Islam: Faith, People, Culture," "Political Words And Ideas In Islam"

For most of the fourteen centuries of recorded Muslim history, jihad was most commonly interpreted to mean armed struggle for the defense or advancement of Muslim power. In Muslim tradition, the world is divided into two houses: the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam), in which Muslim governments rule and Muslim law prevails, and the House of War (Dar al-Harb), the rest of the world, still inhabited and, more important, ruled by infidels. The presumption is that the duty of jihad will continue, interrupted only by truces, until all the world either adopts the Muslim faith or submits to Muslim rule."
Political Words & Ideas in Islam: Bernard Lewis : 9781558764736: Amazon.com: Books

 

[BecauseIKnow]

So your link says centuries ago there was a military and government branch basically. Just in Arabic terms. And preemptive war or defensive war to survive in a world of empires.

And I still don't see what the point you're trying to make is?

Surprisingly the world back then was full of nations fighting for land and power. You're guilty of special pleading. What muslims did back than was no different if not better than what other nations did back than.

It was a different world. And I don't see your point.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Toastman, once again you demonstrate disrespect to slain victims by using the website which is just another branch of the JihadWatch hateful website which is deemed so by its intentions and fabrications. Sectarian clashes and government-rebels violence doesn't brand it as jihad violence. That's pure bigotry if you're trying to use that as a valid point. It isn't done to any other people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I used to tutor college students in economics and accounting.

How about you?

Is this the best you can do?

Tinnie is being modest, TD. He actually tutored students to prepare them for MENSA examinations.

Not true. I was invited to join MENSA but I decided not to join.

 

[Hossfly]

Is this the best you can do?

Tinnie is being modest, TD. He actually tutored students to prepare them for MENSA examinations.

Not true. I was invited to join MENSA but I decided not to join.

See? I said Tinnie was modest. And humble too. Not like Saigoon.

 

[Maryland]

Is this the best you can do?

Tinnie is being modest, TD. He actually tutored students to prepare them for MENSA examinations.

Not true. I was invited to join MENSA but I decided not to join.

Because, your time is occupied posting gibberish on a messageboard 10 people read?

 

[Coyote]

It doesn't matter how they interpret it matters how they apply it to real life
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Great source. I think I'll file it away with Stormfront in my sources to avoid.

 

[Maryland]

So your link says centuries ago there was a military and government branch basically. Just in Arabic terms. And preemptive war or defensive war to survive in a world of empires.

And I still don't see what the point you're trying to make is?

Surprisingly the world back then was full of nations fighting for land and power. You're guilty of special pleading. What muslims did back than was no different if not better than what other nations did back than.

It was a different world. And I don't see your point.

Only Islam has a political component to force conversion to Islam or living under Islamic rule or be killed.

 

[Coyote]

Tinnie is being modest, TD. He actually tutored students to prepare them for MENSA examinations.

Not true. I was invited to join MENSA but I decided not to join.

Because, your time is occupied posting gibberish on a messageboard 10 people read?

There's way more than 10 people here...

 

[Coyote]

Here are some scholars. As I said, she wants her view and as Coyote pointed out that's it. No other interpretation or opinion.

Opinion of Islamic scholars on Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia?

You might laugh at Wikipedia but you distinctly posted a lengthy quote with NO SOURCE. I looked it up and, lo and behold - it appeared in Wikipedia.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

So your link says centuries ago there was a military and government branch basically. Just in Arabic terms. And preemptive war or defensive war to survive in a world of empires.

And I still don't see what the point you're trying to make is?

Surprisingly the world back then was full of nations fighting for land and power. You're guilty of special pleading. What muslims did back than was no different if not better than what other nations did back than.

It was a different world. And I don't see your point.

Only Islam has a political component to force conversion to Islam or living under Islamic rule or be killed.

When Islam was a state anyone non Muslim is living under Islamic rule. Duh. Just like Jews lived under roman rule. As I said, the past was vastly different and no Caliph exists anymore. So yet again, no point made by you.