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On that we disagree. 9/11 changed Bush from a domestic president to a war president. He had no intention of getting involved with the repercussions from the USS Cole, which Clinton ignored. But 9/11 changed it all.
On the other hand, not enough, IMO. He expanded the DOE with No child left behind. A stupid program. He's expanded many a domestic program, while waging a spendthrift war, without end. He is in favor of open borders to our South and curtsies to the North. He's a leader without a compass.
You bleeding heart Liberals make me sick. We need to prevent another 9/11 NO MATER WHAT THE COST.
By torturing people you can't prove have any ties to terrorism?
That is not going to stop another 9/11.
The only thing that is going to stop another 9/11 is ceasing unnecessary meddling in other countries affairs. At least if you listen to the experts in the field.
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB !!!!!!
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So...you're saying this meddling all started with Jimmy Carter.??
Why did the Iranians take our hostages then and hold them for two yrs..??
Sorry to hear that..
But when and if you guys suffer something like 9/11..you can let us know if it changes you...
It may, but I hope not. My generation (I'm in my late fifties) hasn't known anything like 9/11. My late father lived through the blitz in London in the early part of WWII (he joined as soon as he was old enough) and he told me what it was like. It built up a spirit that I don't think is with us today. I know in the bombings on 7/7 many Londoners refused to get panicked though and the British govt response was far more restrained than the response of the Bush Administration post 9/11.
And just for a reference, the northern part of Australia was bombed many times by the Japanese in WWII, not quite the blitz but deadly enough.
I would hope that if we actually do suffer acts of terrorism that our response is more in line with the Britsh government rather than the Bush Administration.
It may, but I hope not. My generation (I'm in my late fifties) hasn't known anything like 9/11. My late father lived through the blitz in London in the early part of WWII (he joined as soon as he was old enough) and he told me what it was like. It built up a spirit that I don't think is with us today. I know in the bombings on 7/7 many Londoners refused to get panicked though and the British govt response was far more restrained than the response of the Bush Administration post 9/11.
And just for a reference, the northern part of Australia was bombed many times by the Japanese in WWII, not quite the blitz but deadly enough.
I would hope that if we actually do suffer acts of terrorism that our response is more in line with the British government rather than the Bush Administration.
There's that goofy imagination of yours again..
I just prefer to live in the REAL WORLD...
I've watched the videos of Nick Berg and Danial Pearl.(have you all)?
And I guess flying airplanes into buildings full of innocent people, isn't considered torture..
I see what is in store for us if we pretend it is not happening...
You all can continue to bury your head in the sand, and I'll continue pushing for Us Americans to defeat the Islamo-fascist...ANY WAY IT TAKES
I suppose one will never know what type of reaction they would have and hope you don't have to find out the way we did...
Until someone has walked that mile in our shoes??
We always hope and pray for peace in the world...But we don't always get what we wish for...
Peace my friend...
I'll tell you something interesting about 9/11. The people in NYC didn't become angry and hateful after. We didn't run around saying "blow up anyone with an arab name". We were angry, of course, but it doesn't seem to be the same type of mindless rage that I see in some people.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I also think 9/11 needs to be put in its place, like any other event to be mourned.
And I say that as someone who misses those towers and has wonderful memories of having worked in them while I was in school and who gets sad every time I drive past where they used to be or look at the empty sky there.
And in keeping with the subject of the thread. Waterboarding is torture. The U.S. doesn't do that... or didn't used to. End of story, it's abhorrent. If we become no better than the bad guys, or become what they say we are, then what are we fighting for, anyway. They win.
There was a lot of anger around the world as well. I reckon if the aftermath had been handled better that the groundswell of international support could have been marshalled into the search for bin Laden and his gang and it would have become an irresistible force.
On that we disagree. 9/11 changed Bush from a domestic president to a war president. He had no intention of getting involved with the repercussions from the USS Cole, which Clinton ignored. But 9/11 changed it all.
On the other hand, not enough, IMO. He expanded the DOE with No child left behind. A stupid program. He's expanded many a domestic program, while waging a spendthrift war, without end. He is in favor of open borders to our South and curtsies to the North. He's a leader without a compass.
I'll tell you something interesting about 9/11. The people in NYC didn't become angry and hateful after. We didn't run around saying "blow up anyone with an arab name". We were angry, of course, but it doesn't seem to be the same type of mindless rage that I see in some people.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I also think 9/11 needs to be put in its place, like any other event to be mourned.
And I say that as someone who misses those towers and has wonderful memories of having worked in them while I was in school and who gets sad every time I drive past where they used to be or look at the empty sky there.
And in keeping with the subject of the thread. Waterboarding is torture. The U.S. doesn't do that... or didn't used to. End of story, it's abhorrent. If we become no better than the bad guys, or become what they say we are, then what are we fighting for, anyway. They win.
You bleeding heart Liberals make me sick. We need to prevent another 9/11 NO MATER WHAT THE COST.
hey man.. don't take mailai off the table, dude! You doom us to defeat if we can't drag an old lady, kicking and screaming, through a rice field, rape her and then shoot her in the fucking head! It sends a message that you can't fuck with good ole 'merica! Only TRAITORS don't admit that taking pillaging off the table EMBOLDENS our enemies! Comforting them by letting them know that we are not there to rope their bitches! We must install FEAR in order to fight TERROR!
