If State Legislators/Governor Won't Enact Rent Control, Vote Them Out

[Crepitus]

ban corporations from buying housing will not reduce rents by a penny,

Pretty sure it will.

Lets try it and see.

 

[Crepitus]

/——/ I’m 72. Compared to you, I am a kid. Landlords form corporations to protect their personal assesses. If you were a landlord you’d do the same.

You know damn good and well that's not what I'm talking about.

 

[protectionist]

And what happens when the shortage of housing drives people to leave the city, and small business has no customers?
If your idea worked, why didn't it work in NYC? Small business is dying in NYC, and yet they have more rent control than ever, and people are leaving the city.
Explain?

A lot of what they say about rent control in New York is exagerrated. They pick a small ghetto neighborhood that's run down, and portray as if the whole city was like that, when that bad neighborhood is about 1% of the city.

Here's a video walk-though of a middle class neighborhood in upper Manhattan (Inwood). My mother used to take me shopping there in the 1950's.
Right now it hardly looks a bit different then how it was back then. The apartment buildings all are clean-looking, and in good shape. Not abandoned.

Stores are open for business. 2 Catholic churches are still operating (Good Shepard & St Jude) They don't look one iota different than they did 70 years ago.

People are walking around, driving cars, riding bicycles, subway trains are running, buses are too.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You know damn good and well that's not what I'm talking about.

/——/ “you're OK with corporations owning all the housing.”
Not being a mind reader, I only know what you post.

 

[protectionist]

Here's another walking tour of another New York neighborhood (Fort George) in Upper Manhattan. Rent controlled buildings for miles and miles, and all in perfect, good shape. None abandoned, and one of the most beautiful parks in the world > Fort Tryon Park.

 

[Andylusion]

Pretty sure it will.

Lets try it and see.

In your state, go ahead. You will actually drive up prices even higher.

 

[Andylusion]

A lot of what they say about rent control in New York is exagerrated. They pick a small ghetto neighborhood that's run down, and portray as if the whole city was like that, when that bad neighborhood is about 1% of the city.

Here's a video walk-though of a middle class neighborhood in upper Manhattan (Inwood). My mother used to take me shopping there in the 1950's.
Right now it hardly looks a bit different then how it was back then. The apartment buildings all are clean-looking, and in good shape. Not abandoned.

Stores are open for business. 2 Catholic churches are still operating (Good Shepard & St Jude) They don't look one iota different than they did 70 years ago.

People are walking around, driving cars, riding bicycles, subway trains are running, buses are too.

Ironically that video you posted, verified everything I think about NYC.

I guess people see only what they want to see, because if you posted that video to show me how NYC isn't that bad, wow.
Trash everywhere. Every 10 steps, there's trash all over the place. Vandalism everywhere. Everything is marked up.
And business? Yeah, he pans across the street it looks like there are shops everywhere. Then he crosses the street and you see half of them are closed, and chained off. I counted 11 closed shops in one single street side. Graffiti everywhere. Biker punks blocking the entire side walk. People blaring crap music to bother everyone.

This is the good side of NYC? That's what you grew up in that you think is great?

And then about those apartment buildings.

Tens of Thousands of Rent-Stabilized Apartments Remain Off the Market During Record Housing Shortage

Landlords kept an estimated 26,000 regulated units offline last year — rekindling a debate about the role of New York’s strict rent laws.

www.thecity.nyc

There could be upwards of 100,000 empty apartments that landlords are not offering to rent, simply because it's not worth it to rent them.

Building are only abandoned, when the entire building is not profitable, and only then do you see the effects of rent-control-cancer on housing. But a person with cancer can look find on the outside for many months or years, before it kills them.

Similarly, landlords of rent controlled buildings are going to keep operating them, while they slowly stop renting out apartments that are not profitable, until the building is nearly empty and then they abandon it. It happens over a long period of time. The building owner isn't going to close the building the day after rent control passes. They'll run it as long as possible, until rent control makes it no longer profitable.

 

[Crepitus]

In your state, go ahead. You will actually drive up prices even higher.

I live in a red state.

 

[Andylusion]

I live in a red state.

As long as you keep it in your state, so that when you destroy everything and wreck your economy, it doesn't effect the rest of the nation. I don't care if your state is red or blue. Just keep your cancer in your state.

This is how we learn as nation. Some states do stupid, and some states do smart. Then we can look at the results of your policies, and see which is better.
And if your policies actually work, great. We'll see that too, if you are so sure they were will.

 

[protectionist]

Ironically that video you posted, verified everything I think about NYC.

I guess people see only what they want to see, because if you posted that video to show me how NYC isn't that bad, wow.
Trash everywhere. Every 10 steps, there's trash all over the place. Vandalism everywhere. Everything is marked up.
And business? Yeah, he pans across the street it looks like there are shops everywhere. Then he crosses the street and you see half of them are closed, and chained off. I counted 11 closed shops in one single street side. Graffiti everywhere. Biker punks blocking the entire side walk. People blaring crap music to bother everyone.

This is the good side of NYC? That's what you grew up in that you think is great?

And then about those apartment buildings.

Tens of Thousands of Rent-Stabilized Apartments Remain Off the Market During Record Housing Shortage

Landlords kept an estimated 26,000 regulated units offline last year — rekindling a debate about the role of New York’s strict rent laws.

www.thecity.nyc

There could be upwards of 100,000 empty apartments that landlords are not offering to rent, simply because it's not worth it to rent them.

Building are only abandoned, when the entire building is not profitable, and only then do you see the effects of rent-control-cancer on housing. But a person with cancer can look find on the outside for many months or years, before it kills them.

Similarly, landlords of rent controlled buildings are going to keep operating them, while they slowly stop renting out apartments that are not profitable, until the building is nearly empty and then they abandon it. It happens over a long period of time. The building owner isn't going to close the building the day after rent control passes. They'll run it as long as possible, until rent control makes it no longer profitable.

It looks like YOU are the on who is seeing how you WANT to see.

No, the video is NOT showing what you said. It is showing what I said. The buildings look absolutely fine. I've seen what abandoned buildings look like. This is nothing like that.

No, there is not trash "everywhere". In fct the video begins crossing a clean street with a litter basket 2/3 full on the corner in front of the church. Sure there is trash in SOME places, but NYC has always been like that. What do you think happens in the highest (by far) population density city in America ? These are streets with rows of 5 & 6 story apt buildings, with the same size streets as cities with single family homes.

As for people on sidewalks, NY has always been like that. Again, high population density. Ho hum.

Vandalism ? I didn't see that in the video (or the second video - of Fort George - Post 405)

"Marked up" ? Don't see that either. Stores closed ? Looks like they're open for business to me (although these videos are taken in the evening about 7:00, so some stores would be closed at that time.)

No, graffiti isn't "everywhere" Again, you exaggerate.

People blast music from cars and 2 auto parts stores near my building in Tampa, FL routinely. Most of the 2 videos I noticed were extemely QUIET.

MAYBE YOU didn't read my post # 276. I LIVED IN a rent controlled building in the Fort George neighborhood, near Fort Tryon park (showed in the second video), from 1946 to 1967, and the building was full occupancy, clean, no crime, no problems. What's more, people still live in that building (and the whole neighborhood), right now, and have been doing so for 100 years. Gee, I wonder when the buildings are no longer going to be "profitable". Maybe after TWO hundred years ?

 

[protectionist]

As long as you keep it in your state, so that when you destroy everything and wreck your economy, it doesn't effect the rest of the nation. I don't care if your state is red or blue. Just keep your cancer in your state.

This is how we learn as nation. Some states do stupid, and some states do smart. Then we can look at the results of your policies, and see which is better.
And if your policies actually work, great. We'll see that too, if you are so sure they were will.

Most states with bans on rent control are blue states.

 

[protectionist]

Open an apartment complex then. It must be really really easy, right?

Try renting an apartment. It must be really easy, right ?

 

[protectionist]

Renters and leftists go together like peas-n-carrots.

In all the apartments I have rented, the building or complex was mostly conservative people. Even in New York City.

 

[protectionist]

You sure whine like a leftist.

Seems like the opponents of rent control are the ones doing the whining.

If somebody just took $1,152 (yearly) out of your pocket, and gave you nothing in return, would you say "thank you " ?

 

[Mr Natural]

Seems like the opponents of rent control are the ones doing the whining.

If somebody just took $1,152 (yearly) out of your pocket, and gave you nothing in return, would you say "thank you " ?

But you saved at least that much (yearly) from Trump’s tax cut did you not?

 

[protectionist]

But rent control is a very marxist idea

No it isn't. Marxism applies to an entire economy. Rent control is merely one of the socialist aspects of the US economy, which is a combination of socialism (where necessary) and capitalism.

In commodities that are absolute necessities of life (housing, food, gas prices) allowing businesses to be in total control is lunacy.

 

[protectionist]

But you saved at least that much (yearly) from Trump’s tax cut did you not?

What if I did ?

Actually, my taxes went UP. As a recipient of an income under $19,625, (single filer) my tax went from 10% to 12. But I still vote for Trump, because there are many other issues.

 

[Mr Natural]

What if I did ?

Your taxes went down and your rent went up.

You broke even.

 

[protectionist]

Your taxes went down and your rent went up.

You broke even.

FALSE! My tax went UP.

 

[Andylusion]

Most states with bans on rent control are blue states.

In my city which has no rent control laws at all, you find a studio apartment for $500. 1-bed for $700.

Rent and housing is way more affordable here, with zero rent control.