If our Constitution made liberalism, in effect, illegal what should we do with them?.

[danielpalos]

I wonder if charity or welfare are ever called socialism?

I wonder if the left will ever know the difference between charity and taxes?


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the right can't tell the difference between the common Defense and the common Offense.

 

[regent]

I wonder if charity or welfare are ever called socialism?

simply using the Other Peoples' tax money is socialism.

So America has always had socialism since it was founded?

Government spending is socialism. It always has been. In the beginning of this country we kept it to the absolute minimum. That was for a reason: socialism sucks, period. The fact that we had it when the country was founded doesn't make it good. We also had murder and robbery.

Snowflakes lack the capacity to commit logic. They always use the same old dumbass arguments.

Speaking of logic: Isn't comparing murder and robbery to the founding of a nation called a False Analogy?

 

[Pogo]

Liberalism is based on socialism and communism, which are as incompatible with the U.S.constitution as Sharia Law would be.

The leftists will jump up and down and scream "It ain't true", but conservatism mirrors the doctrine that the framers of the constitution intended for this country. They looked at many other countries' constitutions and found them all wanting. So they came up with the most unique set of rights and rules the world had ever seen before then.

Not quite. They borrowed many aspects of the new governing structure from the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) Confederacy. They also leaned heavily on old European standards.

maybe put the point is liberalism is anti American; so what should real Americans do about it?

I told you way back when you started this thread, Emptypants --- Liberalism is literally what created America. It can't possibly be "anti-American" any more than water can be dry.

Your problem is you need to learn how to STFU and listen to your superiors, which means everybody.

Quit trying to redefine political labels. You have absolutely nothing in common with "classic liberalism". Your ideology as is the majority of today's liberal's is more aligned with a sick mixture of Marxism, anarchism, and National Socialism.

You don't know the first iota of what my ideology is. Nor, apparently, do you know what the political terms you trade around like baseball cards mean either.

I ain't the one "redefining" anything; I'm the linguistic archconservative in this joint. Matter of fact I'm probably the only one left who still spells Hallowe'en with the apostrophe. I'm here to defend the English language and its terms from rhetorical rape.

 

[Pogo]

Hitler Stalin and Mao had no fear of change, Liberals never do because they are far too stupid to understand the situation. Why do you think our liberals spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb??

See what happens when you skip college?

Whenever I see these leftwing morons bleating about fear of change, I just look at all the socialist dictators who outrageously marched where angels feared to tread. Fear of change is a good thing, especially when we are talking about the changes that leftwing thugs want to make.

I assume you did not skip college, so what do you think of that period of tremendous changes called "the Age of Enlightenment"?

What do you think about that period of tremendous changes called the 20th Century when we had gulags, two world wars and several instances of genocide?

The Age of Enlightenment took a little longer and it gave us the biggie, science, new views on governments and so forth. It was a period of great changes in the world of ideas. The Age led to great changes in man's thought process and led to a liberal America and a liberal government.

The left reached its apogee in the 20th Century, the age of Gulags, concentration camps, multiple genocides and two world wars.

That's all very amusing Fingerboi, but this thread purports to be about Liberalism, not "the left".

Yeah I know ----- you don't have any clue what the difference is. But then you don't need one; just give it the Finger.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You don't know the first iota of what my ideology is. .

you're a leftist statist, the opposite of our Founders!!

 

[bripat9643]

Real Americans wouldn't think of voting for a Dim.

Thankfully you and your ilk are not allowed to define what constitutes a "real" American.

Yes we are, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Whenever I see these leftwing morons bleating about fear of change, I just look at all the socialist dictators who outrageously marched where angels feared to tread. Fear of change is a good thing, especially when we are talking about the changes that leftwing thugs want to make.

I assume you did not skip college, so what do you think of that period of tremendous changes called "the Age of Enlightenment"?

What do you think about that period of tremendous changes called the 20th Century when we had gulags, two world wars and several instances of genocide?

The Age of Enlightenment took a little longer and it gave us the biggie, science, new views on governments and so forth. It was a period of great changes in the world of ideas. The Age led to great changes in man's thought process and led to a liberal America and a liberal government.

The left reached its apogee in the 20th Century, the age of Gulags, concentration camps, multiple genocides and two world wars.

That's all very amusing Fingerboi, but this thread purports to be about Liberalism, not "the left".

Yeah I know ----- you don't have any clue what the difference is. But then you don't need one; just give it the Finger.

So you're admitting that Democrats are not liberals? I agree with you.

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder if charity or welfare are ever called socialism?

simply using the Other Peoples' tax money is socialism.

So America has always had socialism since it was founded?

Government spending is socialism. It always has been. In the beginning of this country we kept it to the absolute minimum. That was for a reason: socialism sucks, period. The fact that we had it when the country was founded doesn't make it good. We also had murder and robbery.

Snowflakes lack the capacity to commit logic. They always use the same old dumbass arguments.

Speaking of logic: Isn't comparing murder and robbery to the founding of a nation called a False Analogy?

You only proved you lack the capacity to commit logic. Your theory is that if it existed when the country was founded, then it's a good thing. I proved that theory wrong.

 

[Pogo]

I assume you did not skip college, so what do you think of that period of tremendous changes called "the Age of Enlightenment"?

What do you think about that period of tremendous changes called the 20th Century when we had gulags, two world wars and several instances of genocide?

The Age of Enlightenment took a little longer and it gave us the biggie, science, new views on governments and so forth. It was a period of great changes in the world of ideas. The Age led to great changes in man's thought process and led to a liberal America and a liberal government.

The left reached its apogee in the 20th Century, the age of Gulags, concentration camps, multiple genocides and two world wars.

That's all very amusing Fingerboi, but this thread purports to be about Liberalism, not "the left".

Yeah I know ----- you don't have any clue what the difference is. But then you don't need one; just give it the Finger.

So you're admitting that Democrats are not liberals? I agree with you.

I've never even made such a claim, shit-for-brains.

YOU / ME... know the difference.

 

[bripat9643]

What do you think about that period of tremendous changes called the 20th Century when we had gulags, two world wars and several instances of genocide?

The Age of Enlightenment took a little longer and it gave us the biggie, science, new views on governments and so forth. It was a period of great changes in the world of ideas. The Age led to great changes in man's thought process and led to a liberal America and a liberal government.

The left reached its apogee in the 20th Century, the age of Gulags, concentration camps, multiple genocides and two world wars.

That's all very amusing Fingerboi, but this thread purports to be about Liberalism, not "the left".

Yeah I know ----- you don't have any clue what the difference is. But then you don't need one; just give it the Finger.

So you're admitting that Democrats are not liberals? I agree with you.

I've never even made such a claim, shit-for-brains.

YOU / ME... know the difference.

You just said there's a difference between liberals and the left. Since Democrats are all leftists, they aren't liberals.

 

[Borillar]

Classic Liberalism is not based on communism and socialism. Name your sources for "They looked at many other countries' constitutions and found them all wanting." I would find it quite interesting.

Our founders were classical liberals ie for freedom from big liberal govt just like modern conservatives/libertarians. Make sense now?

They founders wanted freedom from a Monarchy. The English Monarchy was hardly "liberal" in any sense of the word.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm here to defend the English language and its terms from rhetorical rape.

but you lack the IQ to know that words can have several meanings and those meanings can change over time.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

They founders wanted freedom from a Monarchy. The English Monarchy was hardly "liberal" in any sense of the word.

Actually The Enlightenment was about freedom from liberal statist government whether monarchy, communist, or dictatorship. 1+1=2

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm here to defend the English language and its terms from rhetorical rape.

Hate to rock your world dear but you're here in a state of self-delusion pretending liberalism belongs in America and at the Founding.

 

[Pogo]

I'm here to defend the English language and its terms from rhetorical rape.

Hate to rock your world dear but you're here in a state of self-delusion pretending liberalism belongs in America and at the Founding.

Sigh....

>> Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support Civil rights, Democracy, Secularism, Gender equality, Racial equality, Internationalism, Freedom of speech, Freedom of the press and Freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free markets.[11] Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[12]adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. While the British liberal tradition has emphasised expanding democracy, French liberalism has emphasised rejecting authoritarianism and is linked to nation-building.[13]

Leaders in the Glorious Revolution of 1688,[14] the American Revolution of 1776 and the French Revolution of 1789 used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of royal tyranny. << -- Wiki

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I told you this as soon as you started this mindless retarded thread, Dumbass. Liberalism is the basis of the United States Constitution. If you can't handle it ---------- fucking leave.

 

[regent]

America was not only founded on the liberalism that took hold of Europe and America but it was the beginning of the end of monarchies. As the monarchies had taken care of the noble and royal class the new America would eventually take care of all it's citizens, even those needing aid. In this regard some
governments changed over the years and people no longer feared governments.
For evidence, read our Declaration of Independence, and the document that carries out the declaration's intentions, the Constitution.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Liberalism is the basis of the United States Constitution.

If you mean the basis of the Constitution is very very limited government you are correct! But today that is called conservatism or libertarianism, while liberalism is 100% opposed to limited govt.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

>> Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.[1][2]​

absurd and vague definition since everyone imagines they are for liberty and equality! 1+1=2

you might as well say liberalism is good and conservatism is bad! Are you in kindergarten?​

 

[regent]

>> Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.[1][2]​

absurd and vague definition since everyone imagines they are for liberty and equality! 1+1=2

you might as well say liberalism is good and conservatism is bad! Are you in kindergarten?​

I think you're starting to catch on.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm here to defend the English language and its terms from rhetorical rape.

Hate to rock your world dear but you're here in a state of self-delusion pretending liberalism belongs in America and at the Founding.

Sigh....

>> Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support Civil rights, Democracy, Secularism, Gender equality, Racial equality, Internationalism, Freedom of speech, Freedom of the press and Freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free markets.[11] Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[12]adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. While the British liberal tradition has emphasised expanding democracy, French liberalism has emphasised rejecting authoritarianism and is linked to nation-building.[13]

Leaders in the Glorious Revolution of 1688,[14] the American Revolution of 1776 and the French Revolution of 1789 used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of royal tyranny. << -- Wiki

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I told you this as soon as you started this mindless retarded thread, Dumbass. Liberalism is the basis of the United States Constitution. If you can't handle it ---------- fucking leave.

Spare us the references to 18th Century liberalism. Modern liberalism bares no resemblance to it.

End of story.