If MLK were alive today the rightwingers would call his a race hustler

[Liability]

If Caesar had not been assassinated, Rome might be the World's Primary Super Power today.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You truly live in your own little world.

Yeah I'm only from Chicago and have seen the Greens, Robert Taylor Homes and the numerous other projects...

I've seen a few trailer parks and they're nothing in comparison to the projects - as a matter of fact many parks are pretty nice.

 

[Article 15]

You truly live in your own little world.

Yeah I'm only from Chicago and have seen the Greens, Robert Taylor Homes and the numerous other projects...

I've seen a few trailer parks and they're nothing in comparison to the projects - as a matter of fact many parks are pretty nice.

I'm from Massachusetts and have lived in both North Carolina and Mississippi. You aren't fooling anyone, dude. You're talking straight out of your ass.

 

[bodecea]

Jackson and Sharpton do a lot of things that King did in the civil rights movement, maybe not 100% but nevertheless they did some very similar things. Today, any African Americans who stands up against racism against minorities and doesn't fall within the rightwing spectrum politically is called a race hustler. When Larry Elder makes a book called "Stupid Black Men and how to play the race card" the rightwingers don't see that as "race hustling" since Elder is a black rightwinger, if Jackson or Sharpton criticizes racism they're race hustlers. King, with his record of fighting against racism would be called a race hustler by today's rightwingers.

That's funny because I'm convinced Jesse Jackson murdered MLK, to get him out of the way because he wasn't "extreme" enough to his liking.

But the only evidence I have to back that assertion is Jesses big ass ego and envy of Kings power and position. That is plenty of motive - not to mention Jackson was swaying from the movement and attempting to start his own.... He only gave birth to Al Sharpton.

But I'm pretty certain Jackson had King assassinated...

Well then............

 

[RagZ]

Jackson and Sharpton do a lot of things that King did in the civil rights movement, maybe not 100% but nevertheless they did some very similar things. Today, any African Americans who stands up against racism against minorities and doesn't fall within the rightwing spectrum politically is called a race hustler. When Larry Elder makes a book called "Stupid Black Men and how to play the race card" the rightwingers don't see that as "race hustling" since Elder is a black rightwinger, if Jackson or Sharpton criticizes racism they're race hustlers. King, with his record of fighting against racism would be called a race hustler by today's rightwingers.

Well, there's a couple things to point at here...

First, your entire premise is based off nothing but an assumption. Specifically, that Martin Luther King Jr. would be fighting the exact same fight, in the exact same manner, in the same intensity as he did in the 1960's if he were alive in the climate today.

While in no way, shape, or form would I dare say that racism is gone from our country it would be an absolute falsehood to suggest that we're anywhere near a similar situation as we were at when Mr. King was speaking. Where as Sharpton and Jackson fight with a fervor one would expect for a 1960's civil rights crusader, there would be a possability that Luther could see the world today and feel a different tact could be taken to make the progress than was needed in 1960.

King seems the type that would have reasonable and honest understanding regarding the differences between the 60's and today. I think, more so than Jackson or Sharpton, King could and would acknowledge the many advances we've made and the good that's been done equally with combatting the issues still there. I think King would still have issues with incidents of police brutality, but would not so desire to disrespect those that came before by comparing the isolated incidents of today to the widespread systematic actions of yesterday.

Second, your premise is based off the notion that Luther is similar in style and view as the people like Jackson and Sharpton. I can not imagine, for a second, either of those two saying the following quoted piece of text in an honest, truthful, and sincere way:

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

The notion of having an issue with someone not being "authenticly black" seems foreign to King's views. The notion that we should vote for someone simply baesd on his race; or more specifically, that someone will or will not look after the interests of African Americans based singularly on race, again seems foreign to it. Where Jackson and Sharpton seemed focused singularly on making African-Americans better King seemed to be focused on true equality, on Blacks and Whites being equals and being brothers.

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

...

-- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

Jackson and Sharpton speak largely as dividers, seeking to prominence of their race more so than true equality. This is a striking difference from what it appears to be with King.

Thirdly, there's the base level of sincerity present. Jackson and Sharpton's lack of sincerity, their honest desire to truly fight for equality rather than just hype themselves up, self-promote, and push singularly for the advancement of their race all play into the view of them. Quite on the flip side, King gives off the impression that he is truly sincere in his struggles, doing it not for his own ego, self-interest, or singularly for "negros" but rather doing it out of a sense that it is right for America as a whole and beneficial to all people to strive for a place of equality between blacks and whites. This is evident in a variety of ways, largest of which perhaps the rhetoric and actions compared between the two.

Would King be massively well loved by the right of today if he was still alive? Probably not by many, because he'd likely still be very liberal and ideology on many issues there would be disagreements. However, I do not in any way believe he'd be lumped in with the Jackson's and Sharpton's of the world...rather, I could see him being much like a Democratic Colin Powel, an individual that the other side disagrees with and doesn't exactly loves but does respect.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You truly live in your own little world.

Yeah I'm only from Chicago and have seen the Greens, Robert Taylor Homes and the numerous other projects...

I've seen a few trailer parks and they're nothing in comparison to the projects - as a matter of fact many parks are pretty nice.

I'm from Massachusetts and have lived in both North Carolina and Mississippi. You aren't fooling anyone, dude. You're talking straight out of your ass.

I don't fucking care where you lived..

I'm from the immediate proximity of Chicago (less than a 20 minute drive down 94) and I can assure there was a mile or at least a few miles maybe even at least on state Street of housing projects..... You probably never seen one... I have 10 billion times....

They're all gone now and their occupants have been relocated all over the city so they can rebuild their own sets.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Not true at all. MLK and Jackson/Sharpton don't share the same ideology

Jackson marched with King and of course shares his ideology. What was MLK's ideology to you? You think his entire activism is based on one sentence from his I have a dream speech?

MLK believed in equality not affirmative action. He believed in civil disobedience not violence. The Revs are both advocates of Social Justice as MLK was an advocate of the Golden Rule. The Revs shout, "No Justice no Peace" MLK would never shout such a thing.

Bullshat

Reporter: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multi-billion dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or any other minority?"

Dr. King: "I do indeed...Within common law, we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs. ... America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans...They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs...There was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group." -- (Interview,1965, p.367)

"A section of the white population, perceiving Negro pressure for change, misconstrues it as a demand for privileges...The ensuing white backlash intimidates government officials who are already too timorous." -- "Negroes Are Not Moving Too Fast" (p.177)

"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic." -- 1964, Why We Can't Wait.

Some would say that MLK had Republican views ( as stated by members of his family) while the Rev are both democratic activists.

Only his niece Alveda King who lied has stated he had Republican views, his father was a Republican but switched to be a Democrat.

Butcher your quotes much?

Why dont you post his FULL responses, you know the stuff you cut out in the ........ there is some VERY pertinent context you left out

Post up the FULL quotes and let us discuss them.

 

[Article 15]

Yeah I'm only from Chicago and have seen the Greens, Robert Taylor Homes and the numerous other projects...

I've seen a few trailer parks and they're nothing in comparison to the projects - as a matter of fact many parks are pretty nice.

I'm from Massachusetts and have lived in both North Carolina and Mississippi. You aren't fooling anyone, dude. You're talking straight out of your ass.

I don't fucking care where you lived..

I'm from the immediate proximity of Chicago (less than a 20 minute drive down 94) and I can assure there was a mile or at least a few miles maybe even at least on state Street of housing projects..... You probably never seen one... I have 10 billion times....

They're all gone now and their occupants have been relocated all over the city so they can rebuild their own sets.

I've been to the projects in the greater Boston area.

I've also been in plenty of trailer parks in NC and MS.

Poor =/= Democrat

Just like business owner =/= Republican

You're talking out your ass.

Par for the course.

 

[Rocko]

The spirit of MLK is a message embraced by conservatives, that we should all be treated equal regardless of color.

Liberals believe we should all be treated equal, but some should be treated more equal than others.

If MLK was alived, he would be called a socialist, because he was a socialist, but he still had a great message on race relations, and a non-violent civil approach to fighting for justice that should be, and is greatly admired.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Barry44 has inverted MLK's principles. True classical liberals (which include almost no American liberals or conservatives today) agree with MLK, not Barry44's wierd interp.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm from Massachusetts and have lived in both North Carolina and Mississippi. You aren't fooling anyone, dude. You're talking straight out of your ass.

I don't fucking care where you lived..

I'm from the immediate proximity of Chicago (less than a 20 minute drive down 94) and I can assure there was a mile or at least a few miles maybe even at least on state Street of housing projects..... You probably never seen one... I have 10 billion times....

They're all gone now and their occupants have been relocated all over the city so they can rebuild their own sets.

I've been to the projects in the greater Boston area.

I've also been in plenty of trailer parks in NC and MS.

Poor =/= Democrat

Just like business owner =/= Republican

You're talking out your ass.

Par for the course.

But poor capitalists don't exist...

Well maybe 2% of the poor are actual capitalists.....

 

[Rocko]

Barry44 has inverted MLK's principles. True classical liberals (which include almost no American liberals or conservatives today) agree with MLK, not Barry44's wierd interp.

fine classic liberals rule, todays liberals suck...deal?

todays conservatives are largely against affirmative action...Todays liberals are largly in favor of afirmative action....Do you think MLK would be in favor of affirmative action??

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Ok, time to lay the smackdown, this is an excerpt of some of King's thoughts from 1968:

Martin Luther King Jr Quotes - Famous Inspirational Quotes from I Have a Dream and other speeches

When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also declare that the white man does not abide by law in the ghettos. Day in and day out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions of civil services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them, but they do not make them, any more than a prisoner makes a prison.

Martin Luther King, Jr., The Trumpet of Conscience, 1967.


A good many observers have remarked that if equality could come at once the Negro would not be ready for it. I submit that
the white American is even more unprepared.

Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.



Being a Negro in America means trying to smile when you want to cry. It means trying to hold on to physical life amid
psychological death. It means the pain of watching your children grow up with clouds of inferiority in their mental skies. It means
having your legs cut off, and then being condemned for being a cripple. It means seeing your mother and father spiritually
murdered by the slings and arrows of daily exploitation, and then being hated for being an orphan.

Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.


A New Sense of Direction (1968)






These were certainly days of luminous victories. Negroes and whites collaborated for the cause of human dignity. But we must admit that there was a limitation to our achievement. I have decided that this is the basic thing that I want to communicate.

Negroes became outraged by blatant inequality. Their ultimate goal was total, unqualified freedom. The majority of the white progressives were outraged by the brutality displayed. Their goal was improvement or limited progression. Obtaining the right to use public facilities, register and vote, token educational advancement, brought to the Negro a sense of achievement; he felt the momentum. But it brought to the whites a sense of completion. When Negroes assertively moved on to ascend the second rung of the ladder, a firm resistance from the white community became manifest.

Resistance began to characterize the second phase, which we are now experiencing. The arresting of the limited forward progress by white resistance revealed the latent racism which is deeply rooted in our society. The short era of widespread goodwill evaporated rapidly. As elation and expectations died, Negroes became more sharply aware that the goal of freedom was still distant. Our immediate plight was yet substantially an agony of deprivation.

In the past decade little has been done about the gross problems of Northern ghettos. This fact was evident because all civil rights legislation had been designed to remedy Southern conditions. A sense of futility and frustration spread and choked against the hardened white attitudes. Non-violence as a relevant protest form was under attack as a tactical theory. Northern Negroes expressed their dismay and hostility in a succession of riots. The decade of 1955 to 1965, with its elementary constructive periods, had misled us. Everyone underestimated the amount of rage Negroes were suppressing and the amount of bigotry the white majority was disguising.


This is the MLK that whites desperately seek to ignore, the 1967-1968 MLK, the bigger and fuller picture MLK, I really hate it when people try to limit his legacy to a few quotes. Its true that his goal was a society where whites and blacks lived as equals but he was *NOT* blind to reality so stop talking about MLK as if he wasn't radical or just some Teddy Bear.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Jackson and Sharpton do a lot of things that King did in the civil rights movement, maybe not 100% but nevertheless they did some very similar things. Today, any African Americans who stands up against racism against minorities and doesn't fall within the rightwing spectrum politically is called a race hustler. When Larry Elder makes a book called "Stupid Black Men and how to play the race card" the rightwingers don't see that as "race hustling" since Elder is a black rightwinger, if Jackson or Sharpton criticizes racism they're race hustlers. King, with his record of fighting against racism would be called a race hustler by today's rightwingers.

Well, there's a couple things to point at here...

First, your entire premise is based off nothing but an assumption. Specifically, that Martin Luther King Jr. would be fighting the exact same fight, in the exact same manner, in the same intensity as he did in the 1960's if he were alive in the climate today.

While in no way, shape, or form would I dare say that racism is gone from our country it would be an absolute falsehood to suggest that we're anywhere near a similar situation as we were at when Mr. King was speaking. Where as Sharpton and Jackson fight with a fervor one would expect for a 1960's civil rights crusader, there would be a possability that Luther could see the world today and feel a different tact could be taken to make the progress than was needed in 1960.

King seems the type that would have reasonable and honest understanding regarding the differences between the 60's and today. I think, more so than Jackson or Sharpton, King could and would acknowledge the many advances we've made and the good that's been done equally with combatting the issues still there. I think King would still have issues with incidents of police brutality, but would not so desire to disrespect those that came before by comparing the isolated incidents of today to the widespread systematic actions of yesterday.

Second, your premise is based off the notion that Luther is similar in style and view as the people like Jackson and Sharpton. I can not imagine, for a second, either of those two saying the following quoted piece of text in an honest, truthful, and sincere way:

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

The notion of having an issue with someone not being "authenticly black" seems foreign to King's views. The notion that we should vote for someone simply baesd on his race; or more specifically, that someone will or will not look after the interests of African Americans based singularly on race, again seems foreign to it. Where Jackson and Sharpton seemed focused singularly on making African-Americans better King seemed to be focused on true equality, on Blacks and Whites being equals and being brothers.

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

...

-- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

Jackson and Sharpton speak largely as dividers, seeking to prominence of their race more so than true equality. This is a striking difference from what it appears to be with King.

Thirdly, there's the base level of sincerity present. Jackson and Sharpton's lack of sincerity, their honest desire to truly fight for equality rather than just hype themselves up, self-promote, and push singularly for the advancement of their race all play into the view of them. Quite on the flip side, King gives off the impression that he is truly sincere in his struggles, doing it not for his own ego, self-interest, or singularly for "negros" but rather doing it out of a sense that it is right for America as a whole and beneficial to all people to strive for a place of equality between blacks and whites. This is evident in a variety of ways, largest of which perhaps the rhetoric and actions compared between the two.

Would King be massively well loved by the right of today if he was still alive? Probably not by many, because he'd likely still be very liberal and ideology on many issues there would be disagreements. However, I do not in any way believe he'd be lumped in with the Jackson's and Sharpton's of the world...rather, I could see him being much like a Democratic Colin Powel, an individual that the other side disagrees with and doesn't exactly loves but does respect.

The submissive, harmless MLK, just as I thought, some people love distorting him.

 

[High_Gravity]

Jackson and Sharpton do a lot of things that King did in the civil rights movement, maybe not 100% but nevertheless they did some very similar things. Today, any African Americans who stands up against racism against minorities and doesn't fall within the rightwing spectrum politically is called a race hustler. When Larry Elder makes a book called "Stupid Black Men and how to play the race card" the rightwingers don't see that as "race hustling" since Elder is a black rightwinger, if Jackson or Sharpton criticizes racism they're race hustlers. King, with his record of fighting against racism would be called a race hustler by today's rightwingers.

I'd Dr. King over Al and Jesse any day of the week.

 

[elvis]

I don't think we can really make a comparison. The US was a lot more racist in the 1960s than it is now.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Everyone who is a minortiy and not a republcian is a race hustler, race pimp or racist to todays right wing

 

[High_Gravity]

I don't think we can really make a comparison. The US was a lot more racist in the 1960s than it is now.

No doubt.

 

[rdean]

Right wingers called him that back then.

Eisenhower advocated a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans. Not only would he be drummed out of the Republican Party, there is the chance he would be physically attacked for being a "socialist".

 

[Bass v 2.0]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlvEiBRgp2M]The MLK that's never quoted - YouTube[/ame]


That King above would scare the hell out of whites today.

I'd Dr. King over Al and Jesse any day of the week.

To me it doesn't matter, anyone who is doing the right thing for the people I'm for them, but I'm more of a Malcolm X-Fred Hampton type, but I love a lot of what King stood for and its a shame that most people don't because they think he was a docile man. Sharpton and Jackson have their faults, but I'm not against them.