If Jews have rights to Israel because of history, do American Indians have rights to America...?

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    If Jews have rights to Israel because of history, do American Indians have rights to America because of history?
     
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    We are humans. We have been bound to war for thousands of years. Conquering is in our nature.
    Nobody has a right to land, except the current dominate group inhabiting that land.
     
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    The Rabbi, would you like to answer this? :)
     
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    I have a better suggestion.

    Instead of focusing on a tiny little minority that has one minute sliver of land to call their own, why don't you focus on improving yourself, instead, so you won't need your imaginary bogeyman?
     
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    ....and Jews, no one else tho
     
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    Whether Jews have diving rights to Israel or not, none of that implicates them in doing anything illegal or unfair to any other people. How Jews came back to the Holy Land is well documented. The only ones who have problems with that are Muslims who hate Jews no matter who they are or where they live.

    American Indians are not the great victims of humanity. Again, you cannot tell these stories in two paragraphs so do not expect it.
     
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    We gave them back a good chunk of Maine. Seems fair.
     
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    Can you not read?
     
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    Yeah, you said no one has right to any land and I added "Except the Jews, no one else". Can you read?
     
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    The entire Middle East, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire is comprised of made-up countries with made-up borders, most ruled by strong men with no legitimate authority, at least by Western standards.

    The process of acquiring land, putting up borders, and saying "this is mine!" has a long history in the world and it is unreal to treat Israel as unique or unworthy because their grab is more recent and better documented than most. And on the other side, there has never been a country of "Palestine," nor is Palestinian a distinct ethnicity; it merely describes the indigenous arabs and jews who lived in that particular region of the Ottoman Empire. So if the jews are not "entitled" to the land of Israel, who is? By what right?

    The American Indians were a collection of Stone Age, largely nomadic societies who didn't even acknowledge or consider the concept of "ownership" of land. To them, it was like air, water, and wildlife - there for everyone to use. So while it's undeniable that the "white man" has treated "Indians" badly (to say the least), the mandates of human progress dictated that their cultures and societies would be swept aside, one way or another. Consider: no tribe in the Americas had (a) any domesticated animals that could be used for work, (b) invented the wheel, or (c) developed any metals that were robust enough to hold a knife edge or constitute a useful shield.

    And yet if another similar continent with similarly retarded populations were discovered tomorrow, today's Progressives would be utterly convinced that they should be left alone, because we are no better then they are.
     
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