If ICE deports illegal-alien parents with US-born kids, are they the ones "breaking up the family"?

[BettyYeti]

The thread premise is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right, and why conservatism is the bane of the American Nation.

What's reprehensible about abiding by the law?

What part of deporting small Americans born here to foreign nationals is obeying the law?

And why would another nation just willy-nilly take in American citizens, regardless of their age?

 

[pwjohn]

Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Just because the kids were born here doesn't make them a prisoner of the state. They should be thrown out right along with their good for nothing illegal alien parents, in the interest of keeping the family together of course.

 

[Unkotare]

I bet those parents sacrificed more to live in this country than your bitchass did Acorn.

That's not the point.

It doesn't matter one little bit, how much they sacrificed to live in this country.

It doesn't matter one little bit, whether they just came here seeking a better life.

Doesn't mean one goddamned thing.

What DOES matter is that they snuck onto and remained upon US soil without our express prior consent.

11 to 12 MILLION of them !!!

The fact that many of them also intentionally pop-out puppies after getting her, spawning Anchor Babies, to remain upon US soil, is also irrelevant.

Back you go, Pancho...

So, were YOU popped out, spawned, or born? Which was it for YOU, douche?

 

[Unkotare]

Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Just because the kids were born here doesn't make them a prisoner of the state. They should be thrown out right along with their good for nothing illegal alien parents, in the interest of keeping the family together of course.

We're not going to deport US citizens.

 

[Windship]

I bet those parents sacrificed more to live in this country than your bitchass did Acorn.

I dont care one god damn bit. If they are illegal?...fuck um.

 

[Auld Phart]

More liberal logic.

If speeding is not a crime, why do people get tickets for it?

Because it is an infraction. They get tickets, not arrested.

and illegally entering the country is only an 'infraction'?

should we just give them a ticket and let them go on their merry way?

 

[Windship]

More liberal logic.

If speeding is not a crime, why do people get tickets for it?

Because it is an infraction. They get tickets, not arrested.

and illegally entering the country is only an 'infraction'?

should we just give them a ticket and let them go on their merry way?

Lol, why even give them a ticket...they arent going to show for the court date...

 

[pwjohn]

Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Just because the kids were born here doesn't make them a prisoner of the state. They should be thrown out right along with their good for nothing illegal alien parents, in the interest of keeping the family together of course.

We're not going to deport US citizens.

So you'd make the child a prisoner of the state?

 

[Anathema]

WHEN the parents are deported you leave the kids with LEGAL family members or just turn them loose to die of starvation and exposure.

 

[Auld Phart]

It's up to the parents what happens to the children, not the state.

They can take them with them, or abandon them.

 

[protectionist]

Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

There are no US citizen kids. Ever since the 14th amendment was created in 1866, it's author Jacob Howard, specified that kids of foreigners were not to be given birthright citizenship. The kids are not citizens any more than their parents are. They are ALL illegal aliens.

 

[TooTall]

That's easy . They have to go .
The tougher scenario is when u have a legal mom and citizen baby but ilegal hubby .
Shipping dad off does break up the family , no?

The illegal-alien Dad knew that when he and mom made the babies. Why did Dad deliberately put his kids into a situation of losing their dad (breaking up the family) when he got caught?

ICE isn't breaking up the family. Dad is, by bringing babies into a situation where they will lose a parent due to the parent's actions.

Yeah . But now you've broken up the family , mom probably goes on welfare. Kid is left in a single family home which we all say is bad . How does that help anyone?

Mom should have gone with her husband. My company transferred me 3 times and I took my wife and three kids with me every time.

 

[TooTall]

More liberal logic.

If speeding is not a crime, why do people get tickets for it?

It's a violation . When you get a ticket are you given Miranda rights ? A lawyer ? A jury trial ?

and a violation is not a crime?

"When you get a ticket are you given Miranda rights ? A lawyer ? A jury trial ?"

If you claim the cop is wrong, and you want to push it, yes.

Most pay it and move on.

Promise you won't laugh, but I got pulled over for crossing the double yellow lines while traffic was stopped at a train crossing.
When the young cop told me what he had stopped me for I promptly told him I thought "that was a bunch of bullshit." He just as promptly told me, as he was writing the ticket, "everyone is entitled to their own opinion."
He sure did win that one.

 

[Unkotare]

I bet those parents sacrificed more to live in this country than your bitchass did Acorn.

I dont care one god damn bit. If they are illegal?...fuck um.

No one cares what you think.

 

[Kondor3]

That's not the point.

It doesn't matter one little bit, how much they sacrificed to live in this country.

It doesn't matter one little bit, whether they just came here seeking a better life.

Doesn't mean one goddamned thing.

What DOES matter is that they snuck onto and remained upon US soil without our express prior consent.

11 to 12 MILLION of them !!!

The fact that many of them also intentionally pop-out puppies after getting her, spawning Anchor Babies, to remain upon US soil, is also irrelevant.

Back you go, Pancho...

So, were YOU popped out, spawned, or born? Which was it for YOU, douche?

Struck a Raw Never there, did I, Princess?

Excellent... wasn't intentional, but it's a happy byproduct.

So calm yourself, or you'll soil your panties again.

Your perceptions of me, and the verbiage I use herein, is not the subject at hand.

The question before the bar is whether we should be deporting these Illegal Aliens and the litters of Anchor Baby spawn that they've popped out after getting here.

 

[Kondor3]

I bet those parents sacrificed more to live in this country than your bitchass did Acorn.

I dont care one god damn bit. If they are illegal?...fuck um.

No one cares what you think.

Funny... we were thinking the same thing about you... go figure...

 

[TheOldSchool]

I bet those parents sacrificed more to live in this country than your bitchass did Acorn.

That's not the point.

It doesn't matter one little bit, how much they sacrificed to live in this country.

It doesn't matter one little bit, whether they just came here seeking a better life.

Doesn't mean one goddamned thing.

What DOES matter is that they snuck onto and remained upon US soil without our express prior consent.

11 to 12 MILLION of them !!!

The fact that many of them also intentionally pop-out puppies after getting her, spawning Anchor Babies, to remain upon US soil, is also irrelevant.

Back you go, Pancho...

They'll get a path to citizenship. And we'll all be better off for it. "Building a wall and making Mexico pay for it" is a childish scenario, and will never happen.

 

[Conservative65]

The thread premise is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right, and why conservatism is the bane of the American Nation.

What's reprehensible about abiding by the law?

What part of deporting small Americans born here to foreign nationals is obeying the law?

And why would another nation just willy-nilly take in American citizens, regardless of their age?

I'm talking about the illegal parent(s). However, I do take issue with rewarding someone with citizenship that occurs SOLELY as the result of a crime. Would you let the children of a bank robber keep the money?

 

[BettyYeti]

The thread premise is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right, and why conservatism is the bane of the American Nation.

What's reprehensible about abiding by the law?

What part of deporting small Americans born here to foreign nationals is obeying the law?

And why would another nation just willy-nilly take in American citizens, regardless of their age?

I'm talking about the illegal parent(s). However, I do take issue with rewarding someone with citizenship that occurs SOLELY as the result of a crime. Would you let the children of a bank robber keep the money?

By US law, they get to keep the money. Born here makes you an American and you, want to deport Americans. That is sins of the father, punishment of the innocent. Nice work.

 

[Conservative65]

The thread premise is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right, and why conservatism is the bane of the American Nation.

What's reprehensible about abiding by the law?

What part of deporting small Americans born here to foreign nationals is obeying the law?

And why would another nation just willy-nilly take in American citizens, regardless of their age?

I'm talking about the illegal parent(s). However, I do take issue with rewarding someone with citizenship that occurs SOLELY as the result of a crime. Would you let the children of a bank robber keep the money?

By US law, they get to keep the money. Born here makes you an American and you, want to deport Americans. That is sins of the father, punishment of the innocent. Nice work.

So you're OK with giving someone citizenship that gets it solely as the result of an illegal act? Foolish.

Send the illegal parents back and I don't give a fuck what happens after that.