Skull Pilot
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In 2016 it was 4.9 not 5.3Facts, our murder rate has always been higher than that of the UK as far back as I can find.
Our murder rate is at a 120 year low the UK's murder rate is higher than it was before all their really strict gun laws were passed
Guns and gun laws are not the only variables if they were our murder rate would be rising along with the number of guns
Here's another fact. You don't check your "facts" before you make them up.
In 1960 the US murder rate was 5.1, in 1963 it was 4.6, in 2015 it was 5.3.
Now, where I come from 5.3 is a HIGHER number than 4.6, but where you come, I guess anything is possible.
In 1950 it was 4.6.
I use 1950 because that was the decade before the UK started passing all it's gun laws and as we see the murder rate in the UK has not dropped below what it was before all their gun laws were passed.
And if you bothered to really look you'd see the murder rate in European countries rose right onto the 90's just like ours did.
So comparing the UK's murder rate pre and post gun laws we see that those gun laws did not reduce the murder rates
Comparing our murder rates for the same 60 years we see that while the rate did climb as it did almost everywhere we have seen a steep decline in the past 30 years and are on ace to see the lowest murder rate in the past 120 years all while having more guns.
So when you say guns raise the murder rate you are obviously wrong
Oh, wow, so, not only was it 4.6 in the 1960s, it was 4.6 in the 1950s too, and now it's 5.3. So, how's that claim that murders are at a 120 year low going for you?
You're telling ME that if I bothered looking up the facts? Are you serious?
I'm not disputing that the murder rates in European countries rose in the 1990s. What I'm saying is that the murder rate of the US has ALWAYS BEEN MUCH, MUCH HIGHER than that of other first world countries.
Do you agree or disagree with this?
You say I'm wrong that guns raise the murder rate? Why's that? The US has had guns since forever. And it's had a higher murder rate since, who knows? forever?
There are other factors which can raise and lower murder rates. You seem to be trying to make some argument that if the murder rate rises because of other reasons, therefore guns don't have an impact.
Which is clearly wrong as the US with lots of guns having a 4 times higher murder rate all through history seems to show no matter how much you try and present some cherry picked facts you didn't even bother to look up.
And I don't know if the murder rate was 4 times higher in "all of history" do you want to back that claim up?
If the murder rate is related to the number of guns as you say it is then tell me why is our murder dropping when we have more guns and more people carrying concealed weapons than ever before?
So, are you now saying the 4.9 is LOWER than 4.6?
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2016
I got 2015 at 4.9, 2016 at 5.3
2016 Crime Statistics Released
"There were an estimated 17,250 murders in the U.S. last year, an 8.6 percent increase from 2015."
What Rising Murder Rates in US Cities Mean for 2016
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What Rising Murder Rates in US Cities Mean for 2016"
Table 2
FBI says 5.3 too.
Me thinks this is ANOTHER CASE of you making shit up.
2015 it was 4.9 1950 it was 4.8 as I said virtually the same
I didn't use numbers from 2016 because i didn't have them at the time
But no matter we still have had a 30 year decline despite having more guns.
even with the slight increase in 2016 the overall trend is downward
How is what you're doing different from people using one year's harsh winter as proof that global warming is a farce?