If God is all powerful, ...

[james bond]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

 

[onefour1]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

If you don't know good from evil then you obviously do not have a perfect knowledge. If you don't have a perfect knowledge, then you are perfect in knowledge. That is common sense.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

Then you wouldn't have agency and your actions would be meaningless, since it would be only what you should do, rather than figuring out for yourself what's right or wrong. Humans are not perfect, because God wanted creations with agency, who could choose between good and evil.

This question has been answered thousands of times, you're just not interested in honest discussion. You're a fedora-tipping atheist that just wants to dunk on the less-educated Christians because it furthers your ego trip.

'I think this house has no builder cuz I haven't seen them, I'm so smurt!'

 

[james bond]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

If you don't know good from evil then you obviously do not have a perfect knowledge. If you don't have a perfect knowledge, then you are perfect in knowledge. That is common sense.

What you got wrong was saying God didn't make Adam and Eve perfect. He did. They didn't continue being perfect and that was their fall. Obviously, you do not have perfect knowledge. Trust what's written in the Bible.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Perhaps God wanted something other than robots.

 

[Indeependent]

There is no word in Hebrew for love.
The word oh-have, which is incorrectly translated as love, means “giving”.
We are Biblically commanded by God to be giving, whether we want to or not.

Ecclesiastes 11.

The Bible advises us how to live a rich and fulfilling life. Ecclesiastes 11 tells us how giving benefits us. Most of the Commandments have that same benefit. It enriches us.

Ecclesiastes is not the Bible, but of the Writings and King Solomon is elaborating on the Torah.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to Judeo-Christian tradition, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Perfect in terms of spirit. Eating from the forbidden Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, an exercise of free will, caused the fall.

Let me put it another way. If God the Father, who has free will, is given a choice, would he ever make the wrong choice? If not, then why not?

Who would decide that it was a "wrong choice"?

Let me define it a little further. God the Father decrees throughout all his kingdom that it is eternally wrong for any being to worship false gods. Then, having free will, would God the Father ever choose to worship a false god? If not, then why not?

It's a silly argument. You're a college boy?

No offense.

 

[BreezeWood]

what about the earlier examples -

maybe you should not be complaining ...

 

[Meriweather]

Describe love?

Putting others above self. I've always remembered how Gale Sayers put it: God is first, my friends are second. I am third.

 

[onefour1]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

Then you wouldn't have agency and your actions would be meaningless, since it would be only what you should do, rather than figuring out for yourself what's right or wrong. Humans are not perfect, because God wanted creations with agency, who could choose between good and evil.

This question has been answered thousands of times, you're just not interested in honest discussion. You're a fedora-tipping atheist that just wants to dunk on the less-educated Christians because it furthers your ego trip.

'I think this house has no builder cuz I haven't seen them, I'm so smurt!'

That is absurd. Is not God a perfect being and is He not a being of free will? Or are you telling me that God, as a being without free will gives his creatures free will? Wouldn't that make God less than perfect to be a being without free will?

 

[onefour1]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

If you don't know good from evil then you obviously do not have a perfect knowledge. If you don't have a perfect knowledge, then you are perfect in knowledge. That is common sense.

What you got wrong was saying God didn't make Adam and Eve perfect. He did. They didn't continue being perfect and that was their fall. Obviously, you do not have perfect knowledge. Trust what's written in the Bible.

Now you are telling me that being less than perfect is perfect. To have a perfect knowledge like God, one would have to know all things. Having such a knowledge would insulate such a being from making bad choices. We, as the creations of God do not have a perfect knowledge and thus we are less than perfect. Why didn't God make us with a perfect knowledge? Without a perfect knowledge man makes wrong choices. If God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving then shouldn't he have made us with a perfect knowledge so that we would make all the right choices? I contend that God did not create us with a perfect knowledge!

 

[onefour1]

Perhaps God wanted something other than robots.

Is God a robot?

 

[onefour1]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to Judeo-Christian tradition, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Perfect in terms of spirit. Eating from the forbidden Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, an exercise of free will, caused the fall.

Let me put it another way. If God the Father, who has free will, is given a choice, would he ever make the wrong choice? If not, then why not?

Who would decide that it was a "wrong choice"?

Let me define it a little further. God the Father decrees throughout all his kingdom that it is eternally wrong for any being to worship false gods. Then, having free will, would God the Father ever choose to worship a false god? If not, then why not?

It's a silly argument. You're a college boy?

No offense.

How is it silly?

 

[Papageorgio]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to Judeo-Christian tradition, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Depends what the definition of perfection is.

 

[there4eyeM]

"Perfect" cannot exist without "imperfect".

 

[norwegen]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

He did, but he gave him free will and he disobeyed God. This allowed Satan dominion over the Earth. Thus, he had to sacrifice his only son to make up and save us. Jesus became the perfect human.

Free will doesn't answer the question. A perfect man, in fact, would not have free will; he could never choose an alternative.

 

[norwegen]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, he did. We were given free will, and fucked up.

yeah but, we'd have done just fine if that damn serpent didn't show up

That serpent we call Temptation? Is God not the one who planted the temptation in them when He commanded them not to eat of the tree of knowledge? Did He not put the curiosity in their heads?

 

[PK1]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why ...

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

Because “God” was & is a made up fantasy by simple-minded people with emotional baggage from their cultural upbringing.

 

[PK1]

If God had created us perfect, we would have always made the right choice. Since man has sinned and fallen short, he obviously made a wrong decision or imperfect decision. Thus man was not created perfect. A perfect being would have understood what the right choice would be and always make that choice. According to the bible, man was not created with a perfect knowledge of all things (they didn't know good from evil) and having free will made the choice to fall and die.

Sez you. That's not what happened though, bunky.

If you don't know good from evil then you obviously do not have a perfect knowledge. If you don't have a perfect knowledge, then you are perfect in knowledge. That is common sense.

What you got wrong was saying God didn't make Adam and Eve perfect. He did. They didn't continue being perfect and that was their fall. Obviously, you do not have perfect knowledge. Trust what's written in the Bible.

Now you are telling me that being less than perfect is perfect. To have a perfect knowledge like God, one would have to know all things. Having such a knowledge would insulate such a being from making bad choices. We, as the creations of God do not have a perfect knowledge and thus we are less than perfect. Why didn't God make us with a perfect knowledge? Without a perfect knowledge man makes wrong choices. If God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving then shouldn't he have made us with a perfect knowledge so that we would make all the right choices? I contend that God did not create us with a perfect knowledge!

One answer is ...
God made us imperfect on purpose. He/she/it is playing us like pieces on a chess board.

 

[there4eyeM]

These arguments are always mere tail chasing as we try to apply human constraints on understanding and action upon a hypothetical Creator beyond possible imagining.
For example, we say "No one is perfect", yet we ignore that we would have to know what perfect is in order to judge, and no one claims that capacity.