IDF preps for ground strike

[Phoenall]

Well this should be interesting.

So its a classic example of a defensive operation. The Gazans have been working on preparations to attack Israel. So Israel is preparing to respond.

IDF warns Hamas is focusing on one major terror tunnel

The Gazans will surely complain bitterly that this is all just more Israeli aggression and forget to mention that its a direct response to their own a military build up amid countless threats to annihilate Israel.

Its a classic situation. Israel according to international law ;--) has the right to defend itself

As long as the IDF maintains the illegal and immoral blockade, you cannot claim self defense.

This story is just another in a long line of false flag operations. Just a made up, BS report (like the killing of the 3 teens). Israel wants to attack Gaza again, so they make this crap up to justify their aggression.

From your own link:
...30 drills which are digging down to search for the tunnels based on intelligence information.​

Notice they don't say what that "intelligence information" says, or who its from, or how they got the information. How convenient.

And just what are the results of these "30 drills"?

From your own link:
However, currently there are still no results to show for the efforts.​

Why am I not surprised?

And which body has actually declared the occupation is illegal and immoral then, as I cant find anything official from the bodies who have the authority to do so


So the fact that hamas admitted to being behind the murders of the 3 teens and praised the terrorists for their actions. So how was it a false flag operation outside of your fantasy Jew hatred mind.

Did the US divulge its source of "intelligence" when it invaded Iraq or Afghanistan. Will you now claim that the events leading up to those invasions were false flag operations as well.

I take it you know as much about drilling bore holes as you do about fishing for sardines going on your words here. The use of 30 drills spaced less that 2 feet apart drilling down to a depth of 100 feet or more would take many months the find anything of interest.



Now why am I not surprised that you are posting LIES and conjecture in a wasted attempt at inciting violence against the Jews, after all it is all you do because you are consumed with so much hatred for the worlds Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Well this should be interesting.

So its a classic example of a defensive operation. The Gazans have been working on preparations to attack Israel. So Israel is preparing to respond.

IDF warns Hamas is focusing on one major terror tunnel

The Gazans will surely complain bitterly that this is all just more Israeli aggression and forget to mention that its a direct response to their own a military build up amid countless threats to annihilate Israel.

Its a classic situation. Israel according to international law ;--) has the right to defend itself

I really don't know what the problem is...

Then Israel knows where the tunnel is, flood the fucking thing and fill it with concrete!

Or is this just more zionut propaganda to somehow try and justify attacking MOSTLY civilians in Gaza...

Oh, and, tunnel progress of 50m per day? Seriously? The biggest, most high tech tunnel digging machine in the world can only achieve around 6.5m per day!

If they knew where the tunnel was then they could just invade gaza and spend the next 12 months filling the tunnel with concrete. That is after flooding the Palestinians out of their homes. Hold on that would be illegal according to you and be a breach of non existent international laws.


Once again you show that you have no idea about the subject matter by using your "zionut" made up word hoping that it will incite another moron to be violent towards the Jews. Your reading of very old communist books on disinformation shows that you are still living the 1960's and have the same left wing bias as was prevalent in those days.



Chalk and cheese as TBM's dig very large tunnels through igneous rock strata, the hamas children employed on tunnel digging are digging very small tunnels that a modern "mole" type borer could do at a rate of 100m a day. When my new gas service pipe was ran from the mains pipe to my home it took the "mole" 30 seconds to travel the 30 metres dragging the new pipe behind it.

Might I suggest you do some research before showing yourself to be uneducated and a LIAR in the future.

 

[Kondor3]

Oh, if the IDF says there are terror tunnels, there's a fairly good chance that they're telling the truth, and that such tunnels exist.

Then again, who needs an excuse to blast the shit outta Hamas?

Any day's a good day for that - the bigger the Hamas body count, the better.

So long as the IDF continues to target Hamas war-assets (tunnels, ops centers, barracks, staging areas, munitions caches, formations, equipment, warehouses, etc.), it's all good, and great fun, and a target-rich environment.

Usually, such targeting ends-up producing civilian casualties, as well. Unfortunate, but almost always a necessary byproduct of hitting legitimate military targets; given that Hamas et al routinely embed such war-assets amongst their civilian populations; hiding behind the skirts of their women and children like the cowardly vermin they are.

As to an earlier suggestion to merely flood a tunnel and fill it with concrete... whatever-in-the-world for?

Much better, to use it as a legitimate excuse to kill a few hundred Hamas scum... the more they kill now, the fewer they'll have to kill later.

Besides... it's all part of the Jewish Reconquista... the re-taking of all of the old Holy Land... between the River and the Sea.

The Reconquista continues apace, and cannot be stopped.

The sooner the Neanderthal Palestinians get that through their thick skulls, and pack up, and leave, the better.

 

[Boston1]

The Caroline Case - Avalon Project

Israel's right of preemption is well spelled out in international law. The Caroline test.

The requirements found here are that of necessity and proportionality.

The UN spells out the right of self defense in art 51. Which the US gov interprets as

From
The Legal Basis for Preemption - Council on Foreign ...
Quote

The United States has long held that, consistent with Article 51 and customary international law, a state may use force in self-defense: 1. if it has been attacked, or 2. if an armed attack is legitimately deemed to be imminent. This interpretation is also consistent with our domestic notion of self-defense as applied in the criminal and tort law contexts.
End Quote

The Israeli's have done everything they can to ensure that the Gazans can't act aggressively, even building a 20+' wall as well as instituting an embargo in cooperation with Egypt.

Having exhausted all posible means or maintaining the peace Israel is well within its rights to respond to the Gazan threat of tunnels leading into Israel.

The clock is ticking.

The Bush Doctrine is illegal.

And Israel hasn't exhausted anything, as long as it maintains its illegal and immoral blockade and occupation of Gaza.

Now, get back on your own topic...

Um, yeah, the Caroline incident happened in the early 1800s

Letting go of the hatred and bigotry results in a number of things, including less ignorance Billo. Had you bothered actually reading the links provided you might have known the Caroline incident and its subsequent precedent used in international law preceded the Bush era by nearly 170 years

Also, the embargo is entirely legal and a result of a war the Arab League started and lost at every turn. If the pali's insist on living behind a concrete barrier, then so be it. Israel is within its rights to build a security barrier. And to engage in preemptive war.

Again your blinded by your own ignorance, bigotry and hatred.

Well, given that Hamas and the participating Gazans have built tunnels before, and given that they have been used to commit terror attacks (what other use do you think they might have going into Israel?) -- its a perfectly valid question.

Yes it is.

And given that Israel has maintained an illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza since 2006, Gazans have every right to build tunnels and attack Israel.

Israel deserves to be attacked!

Israel has no one else to blame but itself, for these attacks.

And this "blame" will stop when Israel ends its brutal occupation and blockade, not before.

You simply don't get it do you, The security measured are fully legal for a number of reasons, however they are necessitated because of the violent acts of Arab Muslims against the Israeli's.

You can't seriously expect us to believe the Israeli's spent hundreds of millions of dollars to wall off Gaza because the Gazans were perfectly peaceful neighbors do you ?

Again your ignorance, bigotry and hatred are blinding you to the obvious. The Gazan violence came first, then measures were taken to prevent it.

And speaking of which, tunneling under a perfectly legal security barrier is an act of war.

Its a little something called territorial integrity and sovereignty. Helsinky art. IV. I'd also make note of art. 51 of the UN charter but apparently you don't do a lot of reading in order to maintain that ignorance level of yours Billo.

Looks like once again Israel's right to defend itself and its sovereign integrity ( borders being illegally crossed ) by an opposing military force is well founded within international law.

I suspect as soon as the first Arab terrorist rears his ugly head this show will get very interesting.

 

[Phoenall]

Again the premise of your opinion is based on a lie

See
UN finds blockade legal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwiWnd2ryvPKAhVV6mMKHToQAKcQFgg3MAQ&url=http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/07/un-flotilla-report-finds-gaza-blockade.html&usg=AFQjCNG8ONrqObgdcduiRxTMqKy1OieUZg&sig2=1zwfqivESm2ZphrCQ1I1zg&bvm=bv.114195076,d.cGc




Again the premise of your opinion is based on a lie

See
UN finds blockade legal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwiWnd2ryvPKAhVV6mMKHToQAKcQFgg3MAQ&url=http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/07/un-flotilla-report-finds-gaza-blockade.html&usg=AFQjCNG8ONrqObgdcduiRxTMqKy1OieUZg&sig2=1zwfqivESm2ZphrCQ1I1zg&bvm=bv.114195076,d.cGc

So until you are able to accept that Israel's embargo is perfectly legal then your opinions based on a failure to recognize this fact simply don't stand up to scrutiny

You just can't stop pushing that BS Palmer Report? That report has been debunked and denounced so many times, one wonders why you keep bringing it up? Because that's all you got!

A report from a panel that wasn't even commissioned to determine the legality of the blockade; a panel that had no experts in international law; a panel that did have a serious conflict of interest with their panel member Uribe; a panel that based most of its conclusions on an even more biased Turkel report.

Another UN commission, that was brought together to determine the legality of the blockade; did have international experts on it, with a legal support group to boot; not only found the blockade illegal, but a crime against humanity in the form of collective punishment.

You go ahead and stick that Palmer report where it hurts the most. And you can add this BS tunnel story with it. And that's what this is, a BS tunnel story.

But it has not been debunked officially by another UN sponsored committee has it, just the racist ramblings of a proven Jew hater and follower of Nazi ideology.

Then what was the commission for if not to look at the validity of the boarding of the Mavi marmara when it tried to break the blockade. The official title shows that the legallity of the blockade was a part of their remit.
It had experts on hand to clarify any matters arising that the panel did not believe it was authorised to make decisions on.
No other UN commission was brought together to look at the findings of the Palmer commission, it was the proven anti semitic Jew hater that had been censured because of his RACIST REMARKS that did it of his own back and showed the world that he was an out and out Jew hater.



The ICJ/ICC have not found the blockade to be illegal, and they are the worlds highest authority on such matters. All they found questionable was the building of the separation barrier where it is, everything else complies to the Geneva conventions and the IHL. And they have said that the firing of any rockets from gaza is a war crime and crimes against humanity to which Isreal has the legal right to defend itself as long as it acts according to the IHL and Geneva conventions.

 

[Phoenall]

So, Billo_Really , what do you think is the proper response to a tunnel built to attack Israeli citizens on their sovereign land?

You need to first prove a tunnel is being dug; then prove it's being used for terrorist activity; then we'll continue this conversation.

I'm not going to waste my time on this lame ass hypothetical.

So the pictures of the tunnels are not good enough for you, but cargo nets being used is evidence of Palestinians fishing in gazan waters for sardines ?

You need to prove that the tunnels are not being dug after hamas leaders have claimed that they are. Then you have to prove that they are not being dug to attack civilians, mainly children, with the intention of striking terror into the hearts of the Jews.

There is your proof straight from the hamas horses mouth, and still you deny it as reality.

 

[Billo_Really]

You simply don't get it do you, The security measured are fully legal for a number of reasons, however they are necessitated because of the violent acts of Arab Muslims against the Israeli's.

You can't seriously expect us to believe the Israeli's spent hundreds of millions of dollars to wall off Gaza because the Gazans were perfectly peaceful neighbors do you ?

Again your ignorance, bigotry and hatred are blinding you to the obvious. The Gazan violence came first, then measures were taken to prevent it.

And speaking of which, tunneling under a perfectly legal security barrier is an act of war.

Its a little something called territorial integrity and sovereignty. Helsinky art. IV. I'd also make note of art. 51 of the UN charter but apparently you don't do a lot of reading in order to maintain that ignorance level of yours Billo.

Looks like once again Israel's right to defend itself and its sovereign integrity ( borders being illegally crossed ) by an opposing military force is well founded within international law.

I suspect as soon as the first Arab terrorist rears his ugly head this show will get very interesting.

I must have struck a nerve?

Article 51 does not allow Israel to collectively punish 1.5 million people who have committed no crime.

 

[Phoenall]

The Caroline Case - Avalon Project

Israel's right of preemption is well spelled out in international law. The Caroline test.

The requirements found here are that of necessity and proportionality.

The UN spells out the right of self defense in art 51. Which the US gov interprets as

From
The Legal Basis for Preemption - Council on Foreign ...
Quote

The United States has long held that, consistent with Article 51 and customary international law, a state may use force in self-defense: 1. if it has been attacked, or 2. if an armed attack is legitimately deemed to be imminent. This interpretation is also consistent with our domestic notion of self-defense as applied in the criminal and tort law contexts.
End Quote

The Israeli's have done everything they can to ensure that the Gazans can't act aggressively, even building a 20+' wall as well as instituting an embargo in cooperation with Egypt.

Having exhausted all posible means or maintaining the peace Israel is well within its rights to respond to the Gazan threat of tunnels leading into Israel.

The clock is ticking.

The Bush Doctrine is illegal.

And Israel hasn't exhausted anything, as long as it maintains its illegal and immoral blockade and occupation of Gaza.

Now, get back on your own topic...

Now back to reality and truth please refrain from making false racist claims about a legal blockade if you want to be taken seriously.

The only goods banned by Israel are those that appear on the internationally agreed list of prohibited goods. Not all the goods on the list have been banned by Israel, and the list of goods banned by Israel grows less each year.
Under the terms of INTERNATIONAL LAW gaza is not occupied because Israel does not have military control of any part of the land. And the UN is acting illegally and against its own charter by claiming that gaza is occupied by Israel

 

[Boston1]

So, Billo_Really , what do you think is the proper response to a tunnel built to attack Israeli citizens on their sovereign land?

You need to first prove a tunnel is being dug; then prove it's being used for terrorist activity; then we'll continue this conversation.

I'm not going to waste my time on this lame ass hypothetical.

So the pictures of the tunnels are not good enough for you, but cargo nets being used is evidence of Palestinians fishing in gazan waters for sardines ?

You need to prove that the tunnels are not being dug after hamas leaders have claimed that they are. Then you have to prove that they are not being dug to attack civilians, mainly children, with the intention of striking terror into the hearts of the Jews.

There is your proof straight from the hamas horses mouth, and still you deny it as reality.

The guy is so blinded by ignorance bigotry and hatred that there's really no reasoning with him.

Reminds me of some other people that held the same views as he.

The simple fact is that Israel has every right to protect its sovereign borders. In this case borders set by the Oslo accords. Israel lived up to the accords, the Gazans didn't. Its pretty basic, a military campaign is being waged against Israel and Israel has a right to respond.

 

[Phoenall]

Well, given that Hamas and the participating Gazans have built tunnels before, and given that they have been used to commit terror attacks (what other use do you think they might have going into Israel?) -- its a perfectly valid question.

Yes it is.

And given that Israel has maintained an illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza since 2006, Gazans have every right to build tunnels and attack Israel.

Israel deserves to be attacked!

Israel has no one else to blame but itself, for these attacks.

And this "blame" will stop when Israel ends its brutal occupation and blockade, not before.

Then Israel has every right to retaliate with superior force and flatten every building under the same international law you are using

The Palestinians deserve to be attacked as well, and wiped out

Says who apart from dildo and his chapter of Jew haters

Tried that and it failed to stop the blame, in fact it increased 100 fold. Proving that you are just out to attack the Jews

 

[Boston1]

You simply don't get it do you, The security measured are fully legal for a number of reasons, however they are necessitated because of the violent acts of Arab Muslims against the Israeli's.

You can't seriously expect us to believe the Israeli's spent hundreds of millions of dollars to wall off Gaza because the Gazans were perfectly peaceful neighbors do you ?

Again your ignorance, bigotry and hatred are blinding you to the obvious. The Gazan violence came first, then measures were taken to prevent it.

And speaking of which, tunneling under a perfectly legal security barrier is an act of war.

Its a little something called territorial integrity and sovereignty. Helsinky art. IV. I'd also make note of art. 51 of the UN charter but apparently you don't do a lot of reading in order to maintain that ignorance level of yours Billo.

Looks like once again Israel's right to defend itself and its sovereign integrity ( borders being illegally crossed ) by an opposing military force is well founded within international law.

I suspect as soon as the first Arab terrorist rears his ugly head this show will get very interesting.

I must have struck a nerve?

Article 51 does not allow Israel to collectively punish 1.5 million people who have committed no crime.

Yeah, LOL the idiot on the loose nerve.

Art 51 has nothing to do with collective punishment, its about a nations right to defend itself. You don't really read much do you ?

Let me help you with that

Quote

Article 51

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

End Quote

Since the UN has decided to not restore international peace and security and instead sit idle being fully aware of the acts against the sovereign state of Israel, Israel is well within its rights to defend itself. The only requirement that I see is that Israel report its actions of self defense to the UN, As they occur.

Even if the Arab block forces countless condemnations of Israel's self defense it doesn't matter, GA resolutions are nothing more than suggestions and we all know the UN has no intention of restoring peace in the middle east.

Israel is within its rights to attack any imminent threat to its sovereign borders.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

I notice that you keep saying this.

As long as the IDF maintains the illegal and immoral blockade, you cannot claim self defense.

(COMMENT)

I would like to know specifically, what you are cite as the source of your assertion that the 2009 Notice of Blockade is "illegal."

What citation do you have that counters: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/2220 (2015):

Recalling its resolutions 1196 (1998), 1209 (1998), 1467 (2003) and 2117 (2013), the statements of its President of 25 April 2012 (S/PRST/2012/16), 19 March 2010 (S/PRST/2010/6), of 14 January 2009 (S/PRST/2009/1), of 29 June 2007 (S/PRST/2007/24), of 17 February 2005 (S/PRST/2005/7), of 19 January 2004 (S/PRST/2004/1), of 31 October 2002 (S/PRST/2002/30), of 31 August 2001 (S/PRST/2001/21) and of 24 September 1999 (S/PRST/1999/28), as well as other relevant resolutions of the Council and statements of its President, including on the protection of civilians in armed conflict, women and peace and security and children in armed conflict,
​

Expressing its determination to implement existing and to take further practical steps to prevent the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, including in support of other ongoing processes,

1. Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, trans-border customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;

2. Reiterates that the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons fuel conflict and have devastating impact on the protection of civilians, reiterates its demand that all parties to armed conflict comply strictly with the obligations applicable to them under international humanitarian law, international human rights law and international refugee law, and S/RES/2220 (2015) 15-08130 5/9 stresses the need for parties to take all required measures to avoid civilian casualties, respect and protect the civilian population;

3. Reemphasizes its call on parties to armed conflict, in this regard, to comply with obligations under international humanitarian law to respect and protect humanitarian personnel, facilities and relief consignments, and to take measures to eradicate the negative impact of the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons on humanitarian actors, and to take all required steps to facilitate the safe, rapid and unimpeded passage of relief consignments, equipment and personnel;
​

What citation do you have that counters the:

Firearms Protocol S/2008/258

23. The Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime (General Assembly resolution 55/255), offers a regulatory framework to the challenges posed by the proliferation of illicit firearms and ammunition.

24. This “Firearms Protocol” (new 2005 international instrument to regulate the illicit manufacturing and trafficking of small arms) requires States to criminalize offences such as the illicit manufacture and trafficking of firearms and ammunition and the falsification or obliteration of markings on firearms. It requires States to implement control measures on the firearms trade and asks States to consider regulating the activities of brokers. It sets out uniform international standards for the movement of firearms; promotes cooperation and the exchange of information at the national, regional and global levels, including on firearms identification, detection and tracing; and promotes the development of an international system to manage commercial shipments.

25. The Firearms Protocol has not only become a global standard in the area of action against transnational organized crime, but also an instrument which complements and reinforces the implementation of both the Programme of Action and the International Tracing Instrument (see sections immediately below). Presently, it has 52 signatories and 72 parties.
​

Again, the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities that use handguns, pistols, sub-machine guns and light missiles to weaken regional security, destabilize sub-regional safety, should not be permitted the unobstructed access to SALW. Additionally, under Chapter VII, Israel has the absolute and "inherent right of individual self-defense" when armed HoAPs attack in violation of the Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention; solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, where HoAP performed acts of espionage, or acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons.

When the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities, with a long and violent background and history of performing such criminal acts, Israel (as the Occupying Power) is required, under Article 43 of the Hague Regulation, to take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Again, what do you cited that negates or relieves Israel of these responsibilities or expressly exempts the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities from complying with international law?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rhodescholar]

Strangely enough...

I said that Israel should flood the tunnels and pour in a few tons of concrete...

However, the oppressed will always fight back...

So when will they be fighting back against hamas, who has contributed to making their lives FAR worse than israel ever has?

 

[rhodescholar]

On a better forum a scumbag like billio would have been banned long ago. Sadly, this forum allows dogshit like that to stick around, it is really unfortunate.

This forum allows your posts, which are not the most humane comments in the world.

Now, do you have anything to say about these alleged "terror tunnels"?

The white supremist cu-t is complaining about "humane" actions while it defends indiscriminate rocket fire into civilian areas, tunnels that also lead to those civilian areas, and hamas, a terrorist group that murders its own citizens regularly. If there is a bigger fucking piece of shit asshole than you on this forum, I've yet to see it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really, et al,

I notice that you keep saying this.

As long as the IDF maintains the illegal and immoral blockade, you cannot claim self defense.

(COMMENT)

I would like to know specifically, what you are cite as the source of your assertion that the 2009 Notice of Blockade is "illegal."

What citation do you have that counters: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/2220 (2015):

Recalling its resolutions 1196 (1998), 1209 (1998), 1467 (2003) and 2117 (2013), the statements of its President of 25 April 2012 (S/PRST/2012/16), 19 March 2010 (S/PRST/2010/6), of 14 January 2009 (S/PRST/2009/1), of 29 June 2007 (S/PRST/2007/24), of 17 February 2005 (S/PRST/2005/7), of 19 January 2004 (S/PRST/2004/1), of 31 October 2002 (S/PRST/2002/30), of 31 August 2001 (S/PRST/2001/21) and of 24 September 1999 (S/PRST/1999/28), as well as other relevant resolutions of the Council and statements of its President, including on the protection of civilians in armed conflict, women and peace and security and children in armed conflict,
​

Expressing its determination to implement existing and to take further practical steps to prevent the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, including in support of other ongoing processes,

1. Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, trans-border customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;

2. Reiterates that the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons fuel conflict and have devastating impact on the protection of civilians, reiterates its demand that all parties to armed conflict comply strictly with the obligations applicable to them under international humanitarian law, international human rights law and international refugee law, and S/RES/2220 (2015) 15-08130 5/9 stresses the need for parties to take all required measures to avoid civilian casualties, respect and protect the civilian population;

3. Reemphasizes its call on parties to armed conflict, in this regard, to comply with obligations under international humanitarian law to respect and protect humanitarian personnel, facilities and relief consignments, and to take measures to eradicate the negative impact of the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons on humanitarian actors, and to take all required steps to facilitate the safe, rapid and unimpeded passage of relief consignments, equipment and personnel;
​

What citation do you have that counters the:

Firearms Protocol S/2008/258

23. The Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime (General Assembly resolution 55/255), offers a regulatory framework to the challenges posed by the proliferation of illicit firearms and ammunition.

24. This “Firearms Protocol” (new 2005 international instrument to regulate the illicit manufacturing and trafficking of small arms) requires States to criminalize offences such as the illicit manufacture and trafficking of firearms and ammunition and the falsification or obliteration of markings on firearms. It requires States to implement control measures on the firearms trade and asks States to consider regulating the activities of brokers. It sets out uniform international standards for the movement of firearms; promotes cooperation and the exchange of information at the national, regional and global levels, including on firearms identification, detection and tracing; and promotes the development of an international system to manage commercial shipments.

25. The Firearms Protocol has not only become a global standard in the area of action against transnational organized crime, but also an instrument which complements and reinforces the implementation of both the Programme of Action and the International Tracing Instrument (see sections immediately below). Presently, it has 52 signatories and 72 parties.
​

Again, the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities that use handguns, pistols, sub-machine guns and light missiles to weaken regional security, destabilize sub-regional safety, should not be permitted the unobstructed access to SALW. Additionally, under Chapter VII, Israel has the absolute and "inherent right of individual self-defense" when armed HoAPs attack in violation of the Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention; solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, where HoAP performed acts of espionage, or acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons.

When the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities, with a long and violent background and history of performing such criminal acts, Israel (as the Occupying Power) is required, under Article 43 of the Hague Regulation, to take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Again, what do you cited that negates or relieves Israel of these responsibilities or expressly exempts the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities from complying with international law?

Most Respectfully,
R

Let me put this as basically as I can...

"You cannot claim self defense,
if you're the one starting the fight!"​

...and the belligerent occupation, is what started this fight.

BTW, Palestinian resistance, is not a...

"...misuse of small arms and light weapons..."​

Also, the Firearms Protocol, has nothing to do with the Pals right to resist an occupation by a foreign power.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're not going to get a reasoned, quality answer from that turd, and the longer it is present the more convinced I am that it is a shell/ghost account of the forum mods. No respectable forum would tolerate a poster like that, as every other one I participate in bans white supremists and racists like this garbage almost immediately, yet this filth has been granted a stay of years. Says as much about this forum as it does the poster.

Get back on topic, troll.

Do you have anything to say about IDF aggression?

 

[Billo_Really]

Art 51 has nothing to do with collective punishment, its about a nations right to defend itself.

That's right. So when Israel collectively punishes all of Gaza, you cannot point to Article 51 and say it allows Israel to do that.

 

[Billo_Really]

The guy is so blinded by ignorance bigotry and hatred that there's really no reasoning with him.

And you're still unable to say why would I hate Jews.

It's kind of strange for someone to make a claim, yet can't explain the reason behind it?

 

[Boston1]

Billo_Really, et al,

I notice that you keep saying this.

As long as the IDF maintains the illegal and immoral blockade, you cannot claim self defense.

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I would like to know specifically, what you are cite as the source of your assertion that the 2009 Notice of Blockade is "illegal."

What citation do you have that counters: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/2220 (2015):

Recalling its resolutions 1196 (1998), 1209 (1998), 1467 (2003) and 2117 (2013), the statements of its President of 25 April 2012 (S/PRST/2012/16), 19 March 2010 (S/PRST/2010/6), of 14 January 2009 (S/PRST/2009/1), of 29 June 2007 (S/PRST/2007/24), of 17 February 2005 (S/PRST/2005/7), of 19 January 2004 (S/PRST/2004/1), of 31 October 2002 (S/PRST/2002/30), of 31 August 2001 (S/PRST/2001/21) and of 24 September 1999 (S/PRST/1999/28), as well as other relevant resolutions of the Council and statements of its President, including on the protection of civilians in armed conflict, women and peace and security and children in armed conflict,
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Expressing its determination to implement existing and to take further practical steps to prevent the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, including in support of other ongoing processes,

1. Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, trans-border customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;

2. Reiterates that the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons fuel conflict and have devastating impact on the protection of civilians, reiterates its demand that all parties to armed conflict comply strictly with the obligations applicable to them under international humanitarian law, international human rights law and international refugee law, and S/RES/2220 (2015) 15-08130 5/9 stresses the need for parties to take all required measures to avoid civilian casualties, respect and protect the civilian population;

3. Reemphasizes its call on parties to armed conflict, in this regard, to comply with obligations under international humanitarian law to respect and protect humanitarian personnel, facilities and relief consignments, and to take measures to eradicate the negative impact of the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons on humanitarian actors, and to take all required steps to facilitate the safe, rapid and unimpeded passage of relief consignments, equipment and personnel;
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What citation do you have that counters the:

Firearms Protocol S/2008/258

23. The Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition, supplementing the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime (General Assembly resolution 55/255), offers a regulatory framework to the challenges posed by the proliferation of illicit firearms and ammunition.

24. This “Firearms Protocol” (new 2005 international instrument to regulate the illicit manufacturing and trafficking of small arms) requires States to criminalize offences such as the illicit manufacture and trafficking of firearms and ammunition and the falsification or obliteration of markings on firearms. It requires States to implement control measures on the firearms trade and asks States to consider regulating the activities of brokers. It sets out uniform international standards for the movement of firearms; promotes cooperation and the exchange of information at the national, regional and global levels, including on firearms identification, detection and tracing; and promotes the development of an international system to manage commercial shipments.

25. The Firearms Protocol has not only become a global standard in the area of action against transnational organized crime, but also an instrument which complements and reinforces the implementation of both the Programme of Action and the International Tracing Instrument (see sections immediately below). Presently, it has 52 signatories and 72 parties.
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Again, the Hostile Arab Palestinians, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities that use handguns, pistols, sub-machine guns and light missiles to weaken regional security, destabilize sub-regional safety, should not be permitted the unobstructed access to SALW. Additionally, under Chapter VII, Israel has the absolute and "inherent right of individual self-defense" when armed HoAPs attack in violation of the Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention; solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, where HoAP performed acts of espionage, or acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons.

When the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities, with a long and violent background and history of performing such criminal acts, Israel (as the Occupying Power) is required, under Article 43 of the Hague Regulation, to take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Again, what do you cited that negates or relieves Israel of these responsibilities or expressly exempts the HoAP, Jihadist, Insurgents, Terrorists, and other asymmetric activities from complying with international law?

Most Respectfully,
R

Let me put this as basically as I can...

"You cannot claim self defense,
if you're the one starting the fight!"​

...and the belligerent occupation, is what started this fight.

BTW, Palestinian resistance, is not a...

"...misuse of small arms and light weapons..."​

Also, the Firearms Protocol, has nothing to do with the Pals right to resist an occupation by a foreign power.

You are daft, in your own terms, where does it say "depending on who started the fight" in international law LMAO

It was the Arab League who declared war on Israel, not the other way around. In regards to Gaza, Israel withdrew decades ago, yet you blither on about some invisible occupation that only exists in your own imagination.

There is no belligerent occupation other than by Arab Muslim Jordanians in the disputed territories

The Gazans acts of aggression against a sovereign nation are more than enough to justify Israel's upcoming acts of self defense under UN art 51.

The firearms protocal has everything to do with preventing the destabilization of peace.

 

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Article 51 does not allow Israel to collectively punish 1.5 million people who have committed no crime.

It does if they attack Israel. It's called self defense.