IDF orders probe of Cast Lead accounts

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Following the release of damning testimony by soldiers and officers who took part in Operation Cast Lead at the beginning of 2009, which told of unethical, if not criminal, conduct on the part of the military, the IDF announced on Thursday that it was launching an investigation into the matter.

In a statement released by the IDF Spokesperson's Office, the IDF Military Advocate General, Brig. Gen. Avichai Mendelblit was said to have instructed the Criminal Investigation Division of the IDF Military Police to investigate the soldiers' claims.

The testimonies included reports of shooting at people known to be non-combatants, evacuating families to zones the military had defined as no-entry zones and therefore would open fire at any person entering, acts of vandalism and abuse of humanitarian aid.


The testimonies were given during a gathering at the Rabin Pre-Military Academy about a month ago and were alter published in an academy pamphlet. An IAF pilot and infantry soldiers participated in the gathering. Most participants said commands from higher echelons who were not present in the theater were sometimes taken as almost unlimited license to act as the soldiers in the field saw fit.

One soldier recounted an incident in which a squadron commander ordered a family to leave its house, go out to the street and turn right. "One mother and her kids didn't understand and they turned left... [the commander] forgot to tell the sniper on the roof that [the family] was released and that he should hold fire so he... you can say he did what he should have, according to instructions... the sniper sees a woman and children coming at him and crossing no entry limits, so straight away, he fired at them.

"I don't know if he fired at their legs first, but eventually they died. I don't know if he felt too bad. After all, he was just doing his job."

Another testimony described wholesale destruction of Palestinians' property: "We just threw everything through the window in order to make room. The entire house's contents just flew out: Fridge, plates, furniture. The order was to extract the house's contents."

Infantrymen described an unusually high intervention by both IDF and non-military rabbis in the fighting, including distribution of booklets and pamphlets which described the war in religious terminology.

"All the articles had one clear message," one soldier said. "We are the people of Israel, we arrived in the country almost by miracle, now we need to fight to uproot the gentiles who interfere with re-conquering the Holy Land... many soldiers' feelings were that this was a war of religion."


The quotes from soldiers in the gathering recount the troops' individual interpretation of events and do not represent official IDF policy.

The head of the academy, Dani Zamir, a retired officer, turned to the office of the chief of staff and presented it with the material.

Initially, the military said no testimonies similar to the ones collected by Zamir were collected by the army's internal documentation departments. But the IDF Spokesperson's Office issued a statement saying the matter would be looked into in depth. The IDF's Chief Education Officer Brig. Gen. Eli Shermeister told Zamir that the military conducted ethical and operational briefings to soldiers before, during and after the operation, in order to instill in soldiers the ethical aspects of the campaign, but would re-examine its findings in light of Zamir's report.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio that he was certain the IDF would examine the findings "with all necessary seriousness."

"I still say we have the most moral army in the world. I have seen what happened in Yugoslavia, I read reports of incidents in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I nevertheless maintain that ours is the most moral military. Of course there may be exceptions [in the conduct of some soldiers and officers] but I have absolutely no doubt this will be inspected on a case-by-case basis," the defense minister said.

IDF orders probe of Cast Lead accounts | Israel | Jerusalem Post



Say.. WHO ELSE WAS JUST DOING THEIR JOB IN GERMANY?


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what... Do I have to call for the extermination of Palestinians to get traffic from the usual suspects anymore?


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or, undeniable reality has caused former cheerleaders to observe the blood on their pompoms..
 
or, undeniable reality has caused former cheerleaders to observe the blood on their pompoms..

i'll stick with boring, but you may be right.

is it boring to discover that everything that has been stated in defense about a particular pet nation is now being invalidated by IDF investigations (which, let's be honest, is just a method of clearing responsibility anyway)? I'll ask you then, can you think of anyone ELSE who was famously "just doing their job"?
 
or, undeniable reality has caused former cheerleaders to observe the blood on their pompoms..

i'll stick with boring, but you may be right.

is it boring to discover that everything that has been stated in defense about a particular pet nation is now being invalidated by IDF investigations (which, let's be honest, is just a method of clearing responsibility anyway)? I'll ask you then, can you think of anyone ELSE who was famously "just doing their job"?

sorry, i've got an appointment to adjust the feng shui of my sock drawer. why don't you continue your timeworn and not particularly original nor accurate analogy on your own, and i'll check back in later to tally up the hooknose and zionist refs. throw me a bone and toss in a couple of dogma junkies while you're at it. they're particularly refreshing.

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yeaaa... I kinda figured this is how your kind would react to an article like this.


now, had there been an arab toddler holding a gun....
 
I guess that depends on how boring you SAY this subject is after coming back again and again for more...

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did you really expect them to comment...after all these are simple wars crimes committed against people ...o hell....people??? did i refer to the pals as people...my bad...israel will toss out a few soldiers..and it will all be over...come on shogun..these people elect to believe israel over their own sailors....can you really expect them to care if they are killing pals when they didnt care if they were killing americans?

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IDF in Gaza: Killing civilians, vandalism, and lax rules of engagement

During Operation Cast Lead, Israeli forces killed Palestinian civilians under permissive rules of engagement and intentionally destroyed their property, say soldiers who fought in the offensive.

The soldiers are graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military preparatory course at Oranim Academic College in Tivon. Some of their statements made on Feb. 13 will appear Thursday and Friday in Haaretz. Dozens of graduates of the course who took part in the discussion fought in the Gaza operation.

The speakers included combat pilots and infantry soldiers. Their testimony runs counter to the Israel Defense Forces' claims that Israeli troops observed a high level of moral behavior during the operation. The session's transcript was published this week in the newsletter for the course's graduates.

The testimonies include a description by an infantry squad leader of an incident where an IDF sharpshooter mistakenly shot a Palestinian mother and her two children. "There was a house with a family inside .... We put them in a room. Later we left the house and another platoon entered it, and a few days after that there was an order to release the family. They had set up positions upstairs. There was a sniper position on the roof," the soldier said.

According to the squad leader: "The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him, closer than the lines he was told no one should pass. He shot them straight away. In any case, what happened is that in the end he killed them.

"I don't think he felt too bad about it, because after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to ... I don't know how to describe it .... The lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. So as far as they are concerned they can justify it that way," he said.

Another squad leader from the same brigade told of an incident where the company commander ordered that an elderly Palestinian woman be shot and killed; she was walking on a road about 100 meters from a house the company had commandeered.

The squad leader said he argued with his commander over the permissive rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning the residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, the squad leader's soldiers complained that "we should kill everyone there [in the center of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist."

The squad leader said: "You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it, but they won't say anything. To write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics, really. It's what I'll remember the most."

IDF in Gaza: Killing civilians, vandalism, and lax rules of engagement - Haaretz - Israel News
 

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