IDF murders children playing on beach

[montelatici]

Rocco, Ruddy, Phoney the fairy tale kings.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.

EVIDENCE ?

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

The present one way back in 2006 before hamas decided to be dictators. The only foreigners have been the arab league and iran trying to rule Palestine by proxy. Even their current leaders are living in other nations

 

[Phoenall]

The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.

Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.

The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.

How can Jews be a race?

Because genetics says they are. Or are you saying that the arab's aren't a race, or the Negro's, Caucasians, Japanese, Polynesians etc.

 

[Phoenall]

The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.

Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.

The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.

Non-partisan, they were all from the U.S. , NATO countries or close allies of the U.S. What have you been smoking.

So non partisan, do you even know what non partisan means

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

Interesting rewrite of history there, Rocco. Did you make that up yourself?

No re-write of history at all, just the facts on the ground

 

[Phoenall]

Rocco, Ruddy, Phoney the fairy tale kings.

Personal attacks because your arguments are being destroyed bit by bit. The stand by of the NAZI JEW HATERS

 

[Phoenall]

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.

EVIDENCE ?

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.

Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?

No they see themselves as arab and non arab Christians that have no say in the running and formation of Palestine.

 

[rylah]

Oh their ego won't hold it so they'll go looking for some 9 year old girl
to execute..

"Man I was insulted!" Let's go to war and call 'em by names that
are insulting to us"

 

[Phoenall]

EVIDENCE ?

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.

Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?

What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?

You have been so brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Your lack of knowledge is amazing.

OFF TOPIC DERAILING AND DEFLECTING again freddy boy because your arguments are being destroyed

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is talking to Israel about peace.....
IDF is going to protect syrian druze.....
PA government is going resign because of no unity with gaza.....

but the massacre of christians is propaganda????

Of course it is when team Palestine is seeing their arguments picked clean and destroyed by facts and reality

 

[Phoenall]

Exactly, due to the lack of self determination they can't establish their own state as you previously claimed, they see themselves as Arab Muslims and nothing beyond.

Do the Christian Palestinians see themselves as Arab Muslims too?

What Christian Palestinians? Are there any left with their heads intact?

You have been so brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Your lack of knowledge is amazing.

So all those christians being raped and having their heads chopped off on the news here lately is just Zionist propaganda eh?
You are the one full of shit.
They are doing it even in areas where there are no Jews.

What's your point and what does it have to do with the Christian Palestinians?

What do Christian Palestinians have to do with the deaths of children ?

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is talking to Israel about peace.....
IDF is going to protect syrian druze.....
PA government is going resign because of no unity with gaza.....

but the massacre of christians is propaganda????

Are you talking about Palestine or the greater Middle East. Who is claiming that the killing of Christians by ISIS etc. is propaganda? Are you?

You are if you read your OFF TOPIC DERAILING AND Deflection

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.

Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.

The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.

Non-partisan, they were all from the U.S. , NATO countries or close allies of the U.S. What have you been smoking.

So non partisan, do you even know what non partisan means

Indeed, and NATO is not it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

 

[Phoenall]

The UN report will be out in a few weeks. No one takes the Israeli report seriously.

Only if you are a NAZI JEW HATER, then you believe anything that RACIALLY ATTACKS THE JEWS.

The fact is a non partisan group of ex military leaders has stated on record that Israel did more to lessen the numbers of deaths than expected under the Geneva conventions.

Non-partisan, they were all from the U.S. , NATO countries or close allies of the U.S. What have you been smoking.

So non partisan, do you even know what non partisan means

Indeed, and NATO is not it.

North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is non partisan in this case, only Israel and Islamic nations are partisan

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

It can be said both ways, yet th difficult part is to argue like adults,
and even more to realize our misconceptions.
Well being an anti-zionism Israeli I think that's not my problem.

 

[Daniyel]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

Correct again Tinmore, since everyone involved (by any ground of interest) have their position in this matter then everyone is biased one way or the other.
It's the interest (motive) that makes the difference that's all.