IDF murders children playing on beach

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

If the shoe fits.................... and a Palestinian organisation is BIASED

 

[montelatici]

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

Correct again Tinmore, since everyone involved (by any ground of interest) have their position in this matter then everyone is biased one way or the other.
It's the interest (motive) that makes the difference that's all.

The issue is that any party involved in a conflict cannot be expected to be unbiased. Israel cannot examine itself without bias nor could the Palestinians. The UN is the correct forum for this.

 

[fanger]

UN human rights envoy blocked from entering Gaza

Israeli authorities have admitted they blocked a UN human rights envoy from entering the occupied Gaza area for a second year in a row, just as a UN report on last year’s Gaza war is about to be made public.

"We didn't allow this visit," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon, as cited by AFP. The visit by the UN special rapporteur on human rights, Makarim Wibisono, was due to take place last week.

However, according to Nahshon, the decision doesn’t go against Israel’s commitments to the UN. “Israel cooperates with all the international commissions and all rapporteurs, except when the mandate handed to them is anti-Israeli and Israel has no chance to make itself heard."
Anti-Israel mandate UN human rights envoy blocked from entering Gaza RT News

Israel refused to participate in the investigation, where they would have had the opportunity "to make itself heard."

They know we know what they did was war crimes, and defending, or covering up a war crime, is also a war crime

 

[rylah]

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

Correct again Tinmore, since everyone involved (by any ground of interest) have their position in this matter then everyone is biased one way or the other.
It's the interest (motive) that makes the difference that's all.

The issue is that any party involved in a conflict cannot be expected to be unbiased. Israel cannot examine itself without bias nor could the Palestinians. The UN is the correct forum for this.

Agree on the bias.
But You would say "no" to UN if it was another fashion there-for Israel.
But now it's a weak organization open to pressures disinfo through bureaucracy.
And how many muslim or pro-muslim countries there compared to those of jewish faith?

Not so much democratic right?

 

[montelatici]

There is HRW, AI and other NGOs but the Israelis don't accept their findings either. A UN report is peer reviewed by Israeli's allies (who are on the SC) and it doesn't get issued unless there is consensus. It's the most neutral assessment available.
The Europeans Jews were determined to go to Palestine knowing full well it was populated by Christians and Muslims. They knew full well that a majority of Christians and Muslims were not going to accept being ruled by a minority of Jews or accept being citizens of a self-proclaimed Jewish state. So they must have known that once they were unable to remove all the non-Jews from areas under their control (as they had hoped), there would never be peace. That's how I see it.

 

[fanger]

The immigrants took over, with little opposition from the natives, who were unused to such violence, unlike the East European jews, who then invited in other jews to disguise their coup, but they, or their children still run the entity, currently occupying Palestine

 

[Phoenall]

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

Correct again Tinmore, since everyone involved (by any ground of interest) have their position in this matter then everyone is biased one way or the other.
It's the interest (motive) that makes the difference that's all.

The issue is that any party involved in a conflict cannot be expected to be unbiased. Israel cannot examine itself without bias nor could the Palestinians. The UN is the correct forum for this.

The UN has been proven to be biased against Israel so it is not the correct forum. What should be done is all Jewish and Islamic nations should be barred from taking part and only non partisan nations should take part

 

[jillian]

BBC News - Gaza-Israel conflict: Four boys killed on beach by rocket fire

It has been reported that the children were all members of the same extended family and were playing on the seafront outside a hotel used by foreign journalists.

No, "they were in a house used as a terrorist base".
No, "Terrorists were launching rockets near them".
No excuses.

A bunch of young kids were playing on a beach when bastard IDF cowards murdered them.
The survivors of the first attack ran, only to be murdered by a further attack.

These so called soldiers must be arrested, tried and executed without delay, including their commanding officer who ordered the murders.

it's terrible.

hamas should stop using children as human shields by placing their munitions in civilian areas in violation of the Geneva convention.

 

[jillian]

The immigrants took over, with little opposition from the natives, who were unused to such violence, unlike the East European jews, who then invited in other jews to disguise their coup, but they, or their children still run the entity, currently occupying Palestine

nice fairytale.

no one is occupying anything. terrorists just can't have nice things until they stop being terrorists.

 

[montelatici]

You are so full of crap.

 

[Phoenall]

UN human rights envoy blocked from entering Gaza

Israeli authorities have admitted they blocked a UN human rights envoy from entering the occupied Gaza area for a second year in a row, just as a UN report on last year’s Gaza war is about to be made public.

"We didn't allow this visit," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon, as cited by AFP. The visit by the UN special rapporteur on human rights, Makarim Wibisono, was due to take place last week.

However, according to Nahshon, the decision doesn’t go against Israel’s commitments to the UN. “Israel cooperates with all the international commissions and all rapporteurs, except when the mandate handed to them is anti-Israeli and Israel has no chance to make itself heard."
Anti-Israel mandate UN human rights envoy blocked from entering Gaza RT News

Israel refused to participate in the investigation, where they would have had the opportunity "to make itself heard."

They know we know what they did was war crimes, and defending, or covering up a war crime, is also a war crime

No international says that Israel has to allow UN delegates to land in Israel and enter another nation. They could have went via Egypt if they were really interested

 

[teddyearp]

Israel Commits War Crimes While World Turns A Blind Eye | Interview with Harry Fear - YouTube

While this video may have some merit to this thread, I find that it is highly motivated against any sort of 'neutral' reporting. I then looked into how one would or could get into Gaza. Regardless of the restrictions on the Israeli side, there are several restrictions on the Gaza side.

So basically, you have to have a 'host' or be a reporter or something. That smacks of the Palestinians controlling what outsiders can get into Gaza for a 'neutral' view. Or IMHO, if your view isn't going to be what they want to see and/or report, you will not be allowed in.

As your video proved when Harry Fear said that he was informed "not to point your cameras at this or that".

And that is when I stopped watching.

Next?

By 'neutral' reporting do you mean regurgitating Israeli press releases?

Must have made a dent for you to quote a post of mine that is almost a year old. but re-read my post. Neutral means just what it says. In your own video the other stories we have read about Hamas censorship of news within Gaza is proven.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, Phoenall, montelatici, et al,

Our friend "P F Tinmore" is mistaken. The referenced documents --- The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: 1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947 as with the 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 does NOT say this at all. Not even close.

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

(QUOTATIONAL REFERENCES)

• Arab Palestinian View: Blaming it on external influences (CEIRPP DPR study part I)
  • "During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close."

• MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-SECOND (EXTRAORDINARY) SESSION DEVOTED TO PALESTINE
  • "M. Orts had also referred to a passage in Mr. Ormsby-Gore's speech, in which the latter said that he wished to establish the best possible government in Palestine in the spirit of the Covenant and the Balfour Declaration. The reference to the spirit of the Covenant was, he imagined, a reference to paragraph 4 of Article 22 ("national independence"). The reference to the Balfour Declaration was a reference to the dual obligation (the National Home on the one hand and the preservation of the rights of the Arabs on the other).
  • Mr. ORMSBY-GORE had already referred to the character of these petitions. The Mandates Commission would see that the solution recommended by the Arab Higher Committee implied: first, the retention by the Arabs of the right to complete independence in their own land, which they described as the whole of Palestine; second, the cessation (whatever that meant) of the experiment of the Jewish National Home; third, the cessation of the British mandate and its replacement by a treaty similar to those existing between the United Kingdom and Iraq, the United Kingdom and Egypt, and France and Syria, constituting Palestine a sovereign State; and fourth, the immediate cessation of all Jewish immigration and of land sales to Jews pending the conclusion of the treaty. That solution, Mr. Ormsby-Gore wished to say quite frankly, was unacceptable to the United Kingdom Government if it were for the whole of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), ... established the Division for Palestinian Rights (DPR) is a single purpose organization that politically does not exist if their is no further conflict between the Israel and Palestinian. In fact, should the Israelis and Arab Palestinians solve their differences, they will be thousands and thousands of people put out of work. It is not in the best interest of the CEIRPP and the DPR or the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) to work towards a solution. That is why I am always amazed when I see something like this on their website:

International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
2014 - International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere. The event includes special meetings at which statements on the question of Palestine are made by high-level officials of the United Nations and intergovernmental organizations and representatives of civil society. The observance also includes cultural events. At other locations, various activities are organized by governmental bodies and CSOs in cooperation with United Nations information centres around the world. It is also traditionally the day that the United Nations General Assembly undertakes its annual debate on the question of Palestine. The General Assembly proclaimed 2014 the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. <<LINK>>​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Phoenall, montelatici, et al,

Our friend "P F Tinmore" is mistaken. The referenced documents --- The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: 1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947 as with the 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 does NOT say this at all. Not even close.

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

Show me an elected and legally constituted government.

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

(QUOTATIONAL REFERENCES)

• Arab Palestinian View: Blaming it on external influences (CEIRPP DPR study part I)
  • "During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close."

• MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-SECOND (EXTRAORDINARY) SESSION DEVOTED TO PALESTINE
  • "M. Orts had also referred to a passage in Mr. Ormsby-Gore's speech, in which the latter said that he wished to establish the best possible government in Palestine in the spirit of the Covenant and the Balfour Declaration. The reference to the spirit of the Covenant was, he imagined, a reference to paragraph 4 of Article 22 ("national independence"). The reference to the Balfour Declaration was a reference to the dual obligation (the National Home on the one hand and the preservation of the rights of the Arabs on the other).
  • Mr. ORMSBY-GORE had already referred to the character of these petitions. The Mandates Commission would see that the solution recommended by the Arab Higher Committee implied: first, the retention by the Arabs of the right to complete independence in their own land, which they described as the whole of Palestine; second, the cessation (whatever that meant) of the experiment of the Jewish National Home; third, the cessation of the British mandate and its replacement by a treaty similar to those existing between the United Kingdom and Iraq, the United Kingdom and Egypt, and France and Syria, constituting Palestine a sovereign State; and fourth, the immediate cessation of all Jewish immigration and of land sales to Jews pending the conclusion of the treaty. That solution, Mr. Ormsby-Gore wished to say quite frankly, was unacceptable to the United Kingdom Government if it were for the whole of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), ... established the Division for Palestinian Rights (DPR) is a single purpose organization that politically does not exist if their is no further conflict between the Israel and Palestinian. In fact, should the Israelis and Arab Palestinians solve their differences, they will be thousands and thousands of people put out of work. It is not in the best interest of the CEIRPP and the DPR or the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) to work towards a solution. That is why I am always amazed when I see something like this on their website:

International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
2014 - International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere. The event includes special meetings at which statements on the question of Palestine are made by high-level officials of the United Nations and intergovernmental organizations and representatives of civil society. The observance also includes cultural events. At other locations, various activities are organized by governmental bodies and CSOs in cooperation with United Nations information centres around the world. It is also traditionally the day that the United Nations General Assembly undertakes its annual debate on the question of Palestine. The General Assembly proclaimed 2014 the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. <<LINK>>​

Most Respectfully,
R

What part of this is different from my position?

 

[Slyhunter]

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

Link one says nothing of the kind

Link two is biaswed in the extreme and is islamonazi propaganda.


Another massive fail

Of course. Anyone who does not dance to Israel's tune is biased.

Correct again Tinmore, since everyone involved (by any ground of interest) have their position in this matter then everyone is biased one way or the other.
It's the interest (motive) that makes the difference that's all.

The issue is that any party involved in a conflict cannot be expected to be unbiased. Israel cannot examine itself without bias nor could the Palestinians. The UN is the correct forum for this.

UN needs to be abolished.
We need an international group of like minded countries to band together and not allow any socialist or islamist in to screw up the agenda.

 

[rylah]

There is HRW, AI and other NGOs but the Israelis don't accept their findings either. A UN report is peer reviewed by Israeli's allies (who are on the SC) and it doesn't get issued unless there is consensus. It's the most neutral assessment available.
The Europeans Jews were determined to go to Palestine knowing full well it was populated by Christians and Muslims. They knew full well that a majority of Christians and Muslims were not going to accept being ruled by a minority of Jews or accept being citizens of a self-proclaimed Jewish state. So they must have known that once they were unable to remove all the non-Jews from areas under their control (as they had hoped), there would never be peace. That's how I see it.

First of all about NGO's -those are organizations known to be an active
mechanism in creating "color revolutions" all over, they are paid by foreigners to dabble
into a country's politics. In Russia they're called simply "foreign agents" for a reason.

They tried that here but were fortunately unsuccessful, they're a bunch of socialistic "useful idiots"
who have nothing in common with reporting on reality. So no legal or logical need to support and
let them act.

The second thing, I think You don't separate between the simple (most of) jewish families running for their lives
from the Zionist entity which is a political movement using jewish people and culture for geopolitics. Simple people knew they were hunted down FOR BEING JEWS, they knew
their Promised Land of the Fathers and Mothers, they new of the prophecy to return...
just people who were used as a political layer. Not to say they all were saints.

Now asserting that they (zionists) might know those things You said.. well there might be those
choleric in the head of that organization who might thought of ethnic cleansing.
But it seems unparalleled to their wish to assimilate with christianity they praised
during their lives in Europe.

But here implying "they must have known therefore..." a lot of it is just
CHANGING THE CAUSE AND EFFECT.
Saw You do that to justify the Jerusalem Mufti's cooperation with Adolf Hitler and organizing pogroms
before even meeting him.
One problem in that reasoning-You know their "future" they didn't, and we never fully know
how they analyzed it. Filling-in Your analysis for them is biased and has no basis in reality or court.

 

[Phoenall]

You are so full of crap.

You would know

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, Phoenall, montelatici, et al,

Our friend "P F Tinmore" is mistaken. The referenced documents --- The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: 1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947 as with the 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 does NOT say this at all. Not even close.

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is what we call the "Boogyman Defense." It is a variation where the people are incapable of admitting their fault, their guilt, their poor judgments and weak shortcomings; instead they blame the outcome on the lurking "Boogyman."

(COMMENT)

Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant that a condition of independence is that a country be "able to stand alone." That means, among other things, they they are able to formulate their government. Similarly, the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" in the Resolution of 29 November 1947 [A/RES/181 (II)] contends that "The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government." It is a shame, a very great shame, that in the ensuing seven decades, the Arab Palestinian has not been able to assemble a government that can follow its own constitution (Basic Law) and change hands in a peaceful manner at the established intervals.

I understand that it is very easy to say that the Israelis and the Americans are covertly behind some grand strategy that consistently undermines the Arab Palestinian ability to achieve the goal; but that is nothing more than a share delusion by the people that ignores their basic duty. It is not the fault of any external influence that the people of Palestine, being a state that support terrorism (Jihad, armed resistance by any means), is unable to peacefully take the reigns of power and follow the Basic Law. And the fact that the Arab Palestinian always blames an external influence for their inability to exercise the executive duty to establish elections and coordinate the handover of government is merely a child-like admission that the are unable to stand alone and meet the Article 22 criteria.

Don't cry, every time someone asks about the "elected and legally constituted government" that the Americans and Israelis stopped us; don't blame the "Boogyman" (America and Israel) for the shortcoming of the Arab Palestine. If you are not satisfied with the Unity Government, then change it. Quit collectively whining like a bunch of little children.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "Boogyman Defense" is the Israeli defense. They believed that the Boogyman were the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine and that their inability to colonize Palestine (before they did) was the resistance of these people who to them were less than human. It is completely the fault of external influence that the Palestinians were not allowed to become independent as all the other Arab states. They would have easily been able to stand alone had that British not prevented them to do so by settling hostile Jews on their territory who believed God gave them land that others had lived on for 2000 years or more.

LINK saying just this freddy boy ?

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP DPR study part I 1917-1947 30 June 1978

(QUOTATIONAL REFERENCES)

• Arab Palestinian View: Blaming it on external influences (CEIRPP DPR study part I)
  • "During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close."

• MINUTES OF THE THIRTY-SECOND (EXTRAORDINARY) SESSION DEVOTED TO PALESTINE
  • "M. Orts had also referred to a passage in Mr. Ormsby-Gore's speech, in which the latter said that he wished to establish the best possible government in Palestine in the spirit of the Covenant and the Balfour Declaration. The reference to the spirit of the Covenant was, he imagined, a reference to paragraph 4 of Article 22 ("national independence"). The reference to the Balfour Declaration was a reference to the dual obligation (the National Home on the one hand and the preservation of the rights of the Arabs on the other).
  • Mr. ORMSBY-GORE had already referred to the character of these petitions. The Mandates Commission would see that the solution recommended by the Arab Higher Committee implied: first, the retention by the Arabs of the right to complete independence in their own land, which they described as the whole of Palestine; second, the cessation (whatever that meant) of the experiment of the Jewish National Home; third, the cessation of the British mandate and its replacement by a treaty similar to those existing between the United Kingdom and Iraq, the United Kingdom and Egypt, and France and Syria, constituting Palestine a sovereign State; and fourth, the immediate cessation of all Jewish immigration and of land sales to Jews pending the conclusion of the treaty. That solution, Mr. Ormsby-Gore wished to say quite frankly, was unacceptable to the United Kingdom Government if it were for the whole of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), ... established the Division for Palestinian Rights (DPR) is a single purpose organization that politically does not exist if their is no further conflict between the Israel and Palestinian. In fact, should the Israelis and Arab Palestinians solve their differences, they will be thousands and thousands of people put out of work. It is not in the best interest of the CEIRPP and the DPR or the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) to work towards a solution. That is why I am always amazed when I see something like this on their website:

International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
2014 - International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere. The event includes special meetings at which statements on the question of Palestine are made by high-level officials of the United Nations and intergovernmental organizations and representatives of civil society. The observance also includes cultural events. At other locations, various activities are organized by governmental bodies and CSOs in cooperation with United Nations information centres around the world. It is also traditionally the day that the United Nations General Assembly undertakes its annual debate on the question of Palestine. The General Assembly proclaimed 2014 the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. <<LINK>>​

Most Respectfully,
R

What part of this is different from my position?

All of it

 

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After killing the first boy, the drone operators told investigators, they had sought clarification from their superiors as to how far along the beach, used by civilians, they could pursue the fleeing survivors. Less than a minute later, as the boys ran for their lives, the drone operators decided to launch a second missile, killing three more children, despite never getting an answer to their question.
Secret Israeli Report Reveals Armed Drone Killed Four Boys Playing on Gaza Beach in 2014

 

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BBC News - Gaza-Israel conflict: Four boys killed on beach by rocket fire

It has been reported that the children were all members of the same extended family and were playing on the seafront outside a hotel used by foreign journalists.

No, "they were in a house used as a terrorist base".
No, "Terrorists were launching rockets near them".
No excuses.

A bunch of young kids were playing on a beach when bastard IDF cowards murdered them.
The survivors of the first attack ran, only to be murdered by a further attack.

These so called soldiers must be arrested, tried and executed without delay, including their commanding officer who ordered the murders.

Well, at the time, the article did say the information reported was:


"...according to Palestinian officials..."

Freddie...we alllllllll know who and what a Palestinian Official IS, and looks like (well, people don't always know what they look like ----- do they have a beard, freckles, pouty lips, jagged scars).....

even that's an oxy-moron. "Palestinian Official" -- take abbass...... an oxy-moron.