I know what islam is really about

[actsnoblemartin]

it is very clear you either support sharia and/or support gestapo like tactics against non muslimss

The You Tube filmers were idiots and trouble makers.

They should have gotten their ass's beat for even being there.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

its clear he supports sharia law

by his words.

The problems in europe and asia that many muslims have created, and this video are indictive of what will happen if we have unchecked muslim majorities.

The You Tube filmers were idiots and trouble makers.

They should have gotten their ass's beat for even being there.

Were you there? because you had no time to watch the video before making your dumbass comment

 

[actsnoblemartin]

lets stick on subject for just one moment shall we?

dont you as a muslim think, their are some texts in your holy book that should be taken out.

give me the courtesy of answering my question, and i will gladly answer any text of any religious book.


deal?

Im not interested in religious text, but you would admit that some of the koran has verses that are bad right?

Im not gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater, but we can agree that some of the verses need to be taken out right?

Never happen actsnoblemartain.

It would be like asking Christians to throw anti-homosexual verses out of the Bible because it offends gays.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

true

Because I unlike many here, know its REAL history of blood lust, conquest, conversion, and plans for world domination since its inception and mohammeds death.

I will not be lied to, or fooled by pro muslim propaganda.

What are you thoughts on the history of Christianity?

We don't behead converts.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

that is my point in the last 1,000 years christianity and its people have largely grown up, where islam and its people are still stuck in the 7th century in many places like soudi arabia, and iran just to name a few

The goal of Islam is to take over the world and kill all non-believers in Islam.

I've clearly been reading from the wrong book.

The Qur'anic directives regarding how disbelievers are to be treated, consistent throughout the entire book:

And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out of where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you, slay them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. - (2:190-194)

They long that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved so that you might be on the same level; so take not from among them friends until they flee in Allah’s way. Then if they turn back (to hostility), seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take no friend nor helper from among them, except those who join a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not and offer you peace, then Allah allows you no way against them. You will find others who desire to be secure from you and secure from their own people. Whenever they are made to return to hostility, they are plunged into it. So if they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them. And against these We have given you a clear authority. - (4:89-91)

O you who believe, violate not the signs of Allah, nor the Sacred Month, nor the offerings, nor the victims with garlands, nor those repairing to the Sacred House seeking the grace and pleasure of their Lord. And when you are free from pilgrimage obligations, then hunt. And let not hatred of a people -- because they hindered you from the Sacred Mosque -- incite you to transgress. And help one another in righteousness and piety, and help not one another in sin and aggression, and keep your duty to Allah. Surely Allah is severe in requiting. - (5:2)

O you who believe, be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice; and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably. Be just; that is nearer to observance of duty. And keep your duty to Allah. Surely Allah is Aware of what you do. - (5:8)

And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Surely he is the Hearer, the Knower. And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee. He it is Who strengthened thee with His help and with the believers, and He has united their hearts. If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth, thou couldst not have united their hearts, but Allah united them. Surely he is Mighty, Wise. O Prophet, Allah is sufficient for thee and those who follow thee of the believers. O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast, they shall overcome two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand. - (8:61-65)

And if they break their oaths after their agreement and revile your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief -- surely their oaths are nothing -- so that they may desist. Will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right than you should fear Him, if you are believers. - (9:12-13)

And if thy Lord had pleased, all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them. Wilt thou then force men till they are believers? And it is not for any soul to believe except by Allah’s permission. And he casts uncleanness on those who will not understand. - (10:99-100)

Often will those who disbelieve wish that they were Muslims. Leave them to eat and enjoy themselves, and let (false) hope beguile them, for they will soon know. - (15:2-3)

And say: The Truth is from your Lord; so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve. Surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a Fire, and enclosure of which will encompass them. And if they cry for water, they are given water like molten brass, scalding their faces. Evil the drink! And ill the resting-place! As for those who believe and do good, We waste not the reward of him who does a good work. - (18:29-30)

Say: Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, he is responsible for the duty imposed on him, and you are responsible for the duty imposed on you. And if you obey him, you go aright. And the Messenger’s duty is only to deliver (the message) plainly. - (24:54)

So whatever you are given is but a provision of this world’s life, and that which Allah has is better and more lasting for those who believe and rely on their Lord; and those who shun the great sins and indecencies, and whenever they are angry they forgive; and those who respond to their Lord and keep up prayer, and whose affairs are (settled) by counsel among themselves, and who spend out of what We have given them; and those who, when great wrong afflicts them, defend themselves. And the recompense of evil is punishment like it; but whoever forgives and amends, his reward is with Allah. Surely He loves not the wrongdoers. And whoever defends himself after his being oppressed, these it is against whom there is no way. The way is only against those who oppress men and revolt in the earth unjustly. For such there is a painful chastisement. And whoever is patient and forgives -- that surely is an affair of great resolution. - (42:36-43)

Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah forbids you only respecting those who fight you for religion, and drive you forth from your homes and help in your expulsion, that you make friends of them; and whoever makes friends of them, these are the wrongdoers. - (60:8-9)

Say: O disbelievers,
I serve not that which you serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,
Nor shall I serve that which ye serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve.
For you is your religion and for me my religion. - (109:1-6)​

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Please demonstrate how slaughtering disbelievers (for no other reason than disbelieving) is permissible according to these guidelines.

Thank you.

The challenge stands...

Do You have Equal Justice in there anywhere, or Inalienable Rights, of Freedom to choose Your own Religion, or Slavery is Bad? Call me when you get there, and we'll compare notes.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

no its soft jihad

it's funny cuz Muslims in America and non-Muslim scholars who study the topic disagree with you. Education for the win.

How about you check the charters of the Mosques here in America. There have been Documentaries on the subject. They are here to convert.

Its jihad.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

yes, many christians all over the world, and their government abandoned the jews, but what proof do you have that jesus told hitler to do anything?

Christians do not kill people for not doing everything they are told.

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, he claimed Jesus was telling him to do that)
Seventeenth Council of Toledo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Conquistador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try again.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

thats true, christians also died trying to stop the holocaust.

But the holocaust was NOT because of christianity telling christians to kill jews and non believers, those passages are not in the bible, which is the theological difference between islam and christianity.

one book says kill the infidel, the other says love him

Christians do not kill people for not doing everything they are told.

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, he claimed Jesus was telling him to do that)
Seventeenth Council of Toledo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Conquistador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try again.

The Crusades were Started defensively. That was a long way back on the time line.

The inquisition was a product of battles of the Church for Power, way back there too.

Witch Burnings, way back and stopped.

Holocaust, Christians also died to prevent and put an end to.

Same would hold for any of your claims. Distinguish between Individuals and Groups committing Crimes in God's Name with the Religion.

Unlike Islam, Murder is not common practice in the Modern Civilized World, It is Punishable.

Jim Jones did not represent main stream Christianity. Living Freely within the Rule of Civil Law does. The betterment of Humanity through Realization and Persuasion does.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

again, their is no christian global jihadists killing muslims and jews, hasnt been for hundreds of years.

oh I see, when Christians "kill people for not doing everything they are told", it doesn't count. But when Muslims do it, it's an irreparable stain on humanity.

Yeah - perfectly legit.

Now again I ask: do you or do you not know what a missionary is?

 

[actsnoblemartin]

god damit, what part of that does that fool smarterthanhick NOT UNDERSTAND

oh I see, when Christians "kill people for not doing everything they are told", it doesn't count. But when Muslims do it, it's an irreparable stain on humanity.

Yeah - perfectly legit.

Now again I ask: do you or do you not know what a missionary is?

When Christians kill in is against the scripture.
When muslims kill, it can usually be justified in its genocidal handbook, the Quran.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

people with low iq's should not be allowed on the board.

The only good christian is a dead christian.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

like i said, you should have to have a minimum iq to be allowed to use the board. Otherwise you make gems like that

The only good christian is a dead christian.

What is Your Faith Barry? What is your problem with respecting others?

 

[actsnoblemartin]

anyone with a valid criticism of islam is islamophobic?

what next we cant criticize any religion or religious text without this sort of childish name calling?

Only in your mind Mr Fitnuts..............only in your mind.......

Please post a link that proves unequivocally using Islamic scripture that none muslims are innocent.

Several people here have meet your challenge, and refuted every idiotic accusation your little Islamophobic mind could dream up.

So give it up Mr Fitnuts, you lost the battle a long, long time ago.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

when not wanting to debate or challenge ones beliefs, thou just name call like a 5 year old girl

Because I unlike many here, know its REAL history of blood lust, conquest, conversion, and plans for world domination since its inception and mohammeds death.

I will not be lied to, or fooled by pro muslim propaganda.

Yeah i'm sure NO ONE could fool you cuz you look like a pretty smart guy.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

smarterthenhick is apparently a christian hater, thats what im gathering from his posts, cause he doesnt even have the balls to post what his faith is, and why

How about you check the charters of the Mosques here in America. There have been Documentaries on the subject. They are here to convert.

So are the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists.

Do the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists Chop off Your Head if You leave them to Join another Religion? I know you are a little slow so I would ask you to compare that Characteristic with Islam, to Kill People for Leaving Them, study it on your own, and see if you notice any subtle differences between these Religions. Like Death is totally okay with You, Like who needs a head anyway. Like it's all good man. Jackass!

 

[Intense]

smarterthenhick is apparently a christian hater, thats what im gathering from his posts, cause he doesnt even have the balls to post what his faith is, and why

So are the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists.

Do the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists Chop off Your Head if You leave them to Join another Religion? I know you are a little slow so I would ask you to compare that Characteristic with Islam, to Kill People for Leaving Them, study it on your own, and see if you notice any subtle differences between these Religions. Like Death is totally okay with You, Like who needs a head anyway. Like it's all good man. Jackass!

Are you sure you didn't mis anything? LOL

 

[Kalam]

I address his arguments, They are flawed.

You failed to address anything. The context of 2:106 makes it obvious that the Qur'an in its entirety abrogates previous scriptures:

And when it is said to [the Children of Israel], Believe in what Allah has revealed, they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that which they have.

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Those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book do not like, nor do the polytheists, that the good should be sent down to you from your Lord, and Allah chooses especially whom He pleases for His mercy, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace. Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?​

16:101 clearly refers to the abrogation of previous scriptures as well. It makes no sense to believe that accusations of "forgery" were leveled at Muhammad (SAW) by his own followers with reference to specific Qur'anic verses, the accusations obviously came from the non-Muslims referred to in the preceding verse.

5:48 makes it obvious that the Qur'an, uncorrupted, replaced the previous scriptures:

And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed.​

You are predisposed to ignore those flaws because your faith is balanced on them.

The Qur'an is flawless. A person who believes that the Qur'an was flawed and required internal "abrogations" is weak in belief and bases his or her faith on an incomplete and inaccurate reading of the world of Allah, SWT.

Im sympathetic, never the less abrogation is an established fact.

I'm sure that this and many similarly ridiculous things are true in your little world. In actuality, abrogation isn't an "established fact" by any stretch of the term. Hence the increasing number of Muslims who see it as the fabrication that it is.

Your cult has lost the argument it is fading into history. I'm sorry.

My religion is Islam.

Your solution of trying to denigrate with name calling is an act of puerile instinct .

Idiocy on your part begets insults from me.

 

[Kalam]

but we can agree that some of the verses need to be taken out right?

Never.

And when Our clear messages are recited to them, those who have no hope of meeting with Us say: Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of my accord. I follow naught but what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement of a grievous day. - 10:15​

 

[Kalam]

thats true, christians also died trying to stop the holocaust.

But the holocaust was NOT because of christianity telling christians to kill jews and non believers, those passages are not in the bible, which is the theological difference between islam and christianity.

one book says kill the infidel, the other says love him

Biblical "love" for infidels:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - Numbers 31:17-18

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took. - Deut. 2:33-35

And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. - Deut. 3:6

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them - Deut. 7:2

But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth - Deut. 20:16

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. - Joshua 6:21

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. - Joshua 10:40

And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan. - Judges 21:10-12

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. - 1 Samuel 15:3

Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. - Ezekiel 9:6​

The Bible demands that all unbelievers be slain, ideally by their close relatives. See Deuteronomy 13. According to your accounts, Jesus (AS) makes it clear that this and every other injunction from the Old Testament is to be upheld.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I'm sure that this and many similarly ridiculous things are true in your little world. In actuality, abrogation isn't an "established fact" by any stretch of the term. Hence the increasing number of Muslims who see it as the fabrication that it is.

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Source?