I have seen the light

[M14 Shooter]

I can't see how firing dozens of shots while a burglar is in the house is always a logical response. Or a healthy response.

Shooting a burglar to death is one thing. Using a dozen bullets to do it during the confusion such a situation always poses is a decidedly stupid thing.

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

Which is where all the blame belongs.

If a few of those dozens of bullets end up in the bodies of your family because you would rather play Rambo than use the sense God gave us all, then there is blame to spread around at the coroner's inquest.

A situation that necessitates firing an automatic weapon in your house is going to be a confusing situation, to say the least. Did the shyster who sold you on getting a machine gun for home defense dance through the possible scenarios with you, or did you figure all this out after watching some Charles Bronson movies?

More support for the premise
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/150653-observations-regarding-the-anti-gun-crowd.html

 

[Skull Pilot]

I can't see how firing dozens of shots while a burglar is in the house is always a logical response. Or a healthy response.

Shooting a burglar to death is one thing. Using a dozen bullets to do it during the confusion such a situation always poses is a decidedly stupid thing.

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

Which is where all the blame belongs.

If a few of those dozens of bullets end up in the bodies of your family because you would rather play Rambo than use the sense God gave us all, then there is blame to spread around at the coroner's inquest.

A situation that necessitates firing an automatic weapon in your house is going to be a confusing situation, to say the least. Did the shyster who sold you on getting a machine gun for home defense dance through the possible scenarios with you, or did you figure all this out after watching some Charles Bronson movies?

You assume i will shoot my wife? That's quite an assumption because she'd be shooting at an intruder too.

And where did I ever say to fire an automatic weapon in a house? Full autos are illegal in most states including mine. I have several semi auto rifles and 4 automatic pistols (which are really semi auto despite the name. Maybe that's what's confusing you) I also have two shotguns one of which has a barrel shortened to an illegal length.

You have a little to learn about weapons before you start telling anyone not to have one.

 

[Jarhead]

There are truths and there are lies.

These things actually exsist in the world.

You are intitiled to your own oppinions but not your own truths.


There are no death panels in the HC bill.

Actually, for all intents and purposes, there are death panels now with insurance.INsurace companies MUST make those decisions just as the government will have to as well. They are jusy not called death panels

Obama is not a socialist.

Some believe his policies and ideas say otherwise. Bush wasnt a war monger either, but some of his policies said otherwise.

The HC bill is not a governement take over.

Actually, many on the left agree that based on basic business and finances, a government run and government controlled single payer system will be the result in a matter of years. TRhere is valid reason to believe this.


Fanny and freddy did not cause the economic meltdown.

Actually, FM and FM most certainly did play a major role in the housing bubble bursting. They enabled those to get loans that may go into default. They did not watch themselves and they did not question why business was so good.


Obama is a natural American citizen.

Him being a non citizen is not a tea party thing...it is a fringe thing



Just because someone chooses to believe lies does not make the lies a truths.

Just becuase someone does not believe that what another believes as the truth does not make one a liar.

Maybe you are being fed the lies?

I dont know who is....but I dont hol;d against you the fact that you are believing what I percieve as lies.

But you hold it against me for believing what you see as lies.

And thus why it is not at all enjoyable to debate with you.

 

[Jarhead]

You assume there is only one criminal?

Not an assumption I am going to make.

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?

Nothing.

I am curious...

Are the clips sold on the black market...or are those more likely bought retail?

 

[Jarhead]

The more lead i can put into someone breaking into my house and threatening my family and property the better.

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

How many people do you know that can hit a moving knee in the dark, let alone at anytime?

What's to keep that person form shooting back?

I was simply making a popint.
Truth is...if you have emptied a 20 round clip and you need more ammo?
You are likely a dead man.

 

[Madeline]

I know one thing for sure...I never hear on the news about a man who defended his life by shooting some criminal with an automatic weapon.

You also never hear about a legally-owned automatic weapon used in a crime.

Never do. You are correct.

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?

Nothing.

I am curious...

Are the clips sold on the black market...or are those more likely bought retail?

Depends on the gun and the state you live in.

 

[Jarhead]

You also never hear about a legally-owned automatic weapon used in a crime.

Never do. You are correct.

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

Yes. That is true.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You also never hear about a legally-owned automatic weapon used in a crime.

Never do. You are correct.

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?

Nothing.

I am curious...

Are the clips sold on the black market...or are those more likely bought retail?

I suppose you can buy them on the black market, but given the prices and relevant laws, ther's not likely to be much of a black market for them.

Over the internet, I can buy as many 30-rd M16s mags as I want for $7/ea and have them shipped free to my house.

 

[Jarhead]

Never do. You are correct.

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

But I believe it was with an expanded clip....50% more rounds than the stock clip.

 

[Jarhead]

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?

Nothing.

I am curious...

Are the clips sold on the black market...or are those more likely bought retail?

I suppose you can buy them on the black market, but given the prices and relevant laws, ther's not likely to be much of a black market for them.

Over the internet, I can buy as many 30-rd M16s mags as I want for $7/ea and have them shipped free to my house.

Something you wouldnt be able to do if the weapon itself were not legal in the US.

Just not sure of why a so many rounds are necessary...and most certainly automatic seems to be something not necessary.

There is no doubt that there is validity to the debate.

 

[M14 Shooter]

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

But I believe it was with an expanded clip....50% more rounds than the stock clip.

So?
It could have been fed with a 200-rd belt -- it still wasn't an automatic weapon.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Never do. You are correct.

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

He used a Glock 9mm handgun with a 30 shot magazine.

And i know many of you know this but i will give you some working definitions here because there does seem to be some confusion.

An automatic handgun is not a fully automatic weapon. it is actually a semi automatic weapon

A fully automatic weapon is one that will fire as long as the trigger is depressed and there is ammo in the magazine.

A semi automatic requires a separate trigger pull for each round fired.

A fully automatic handgun is called a machine pistol.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am curious...

Are the clips sold on the black market...or are those more likely bought retail?

I suppose you can buy them on the black market, but given the prices and relevant laws, ther's not likely to be much of a black market for them.

Over the internet, I can buy as many 30-rd M16s mags as I want for $7/ea and have them shipped free to my house.

Something you wouldnt be able to do if the weapon itself were not legal in the US.

Aside from this being irrlevant to what I said...
What makes you say that?

 

[M14 Shooter]

As far as I know, the Arizona shooting was done with a legally-owned automatic weapon.

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

He used a Glock 9mm handgun with a 30 shot magazine.

And i know many of you know this but i will give you some working definitions here because there does seem to be some confusion.

An automatic handgun is not a fully automatic weapon. it is actually a semi automatic weapon

A fully automatic weapon is one that will fire as long as the trigger is depressed and there is ammo in the magazine.

A semi automatic requires a separate trigger pull for each round fired.

A fully automatic handgun is called a machine pistol.

It is -quite- difficult to have an intelligent conversation w/ people that do not understand the basic terminology of that conversation.

Never mind that there's no such thing as a 20-rd clip, for any gun.

 

[Jarhead]

I suppose you can buy them on the black market, but given the prices and relevant laws, ther's not likely to be much of a black market for them.

Over the internet, I can buy as many 30-rd M16s mags as I want for $7/ea and have them shipped free to my house.

Something you wouldnt be able to do if the weapon itself were not legal in the US.

Aside from this being irrlevant to what I said...
What makes you say that?

I was just thinking out loud...sorry...wasnt meant to be adversarial.

Trying to figure this whole debate out...thats all.

I am pro 2nd ammendment, but I always respect and listen to the other side...and sometimes I find it best to educate myself by asking questions from the other position...and then I theorize as I did with the "not being able to buy the clips" comment.

I debate with an open mind and have been known to change positions at the completion of a debate once I put all of hte infomratyion together.

Didnt mean to question your integrity if it came across that way.

 

[midcan5]

You could start by using that light to look up the correct spelling of the plural form of Tea Party members. Or you could find that a corporation is not a "people".

Of course, I never accused liberals of being educated.

LOL - Thought this serious enough to reply to, now back to the help my fellow conservatives are showering on me.

par·ty·er   [from dictionary.com]
[pahr-tee-er] Show IPA
–noun
a person who parties, esp. regularly or habitually: New Year's Eve always brings out the partyers.
Also, partier.

 

[Jarhead]

No. It was not.
It was committed with a legally-owned semi-auto handgun.

He used a Glock 9mm handgun with a 30 shot magazine.

And i know many of you know this but i will give you some working definitions here because there does seem to be some confusion.

An automatic handgun is not a fully automatic weapon. it is actually a semi automatic weapon

A fully automatic weapon is one that will fire as long as the trigger is depressed and there is ammo in the magazine.

A semi automatic requires a separate trigger pull for each round fired.

A fully automatic handgun is called a machine pistol.

It is -quite- difficult to have an intelligent conversation w/ people that do not understand the basic terminology of that conversation.

Never mind that there's no such thing as a 20-rd clip, for any gun.

please explain.

I have seen 20 round clips...well actually....2x10 round clips come to think of it...based on the size of the mag

 

[M14 Shooter]

He used a Glock 9mm handgun with a 30 shot magazine.

And i know many of you know this but i will give you some working definitions here because there does seem to be some confusion.

An automatic handgun is not a fully automatic weapon. it is actually a semi automatic weapon

A fully automatic weapon is one that will fire as long as the trigger is depressed and there is ammo in the magazine.

A semi automatic requires a separate trigger pull for each round fired.

A fully automatic handgun is called a machine pistol.

It is -quite- difficult to have an intelligent conversation w/ people that do not understand the basic terminology of that conversation.

Never mind that there's no such thing as a 20-rd clip, for any gun.

please explain.
I have seen 20 round clips...well actually....2x10 round clips come to think of it...based on the size of the mag

You have seen 20-rd magazines.
Clips and magazines are entirely different things.
A clip feeds ammo into a magazine.