I have seen the light

[Truthmatters]

There were several GOPers that referred to those that were against the Iraq War as "non american" and they would never get my vote.

Then there were many Bush administrative personnel who had their words spun to make it seem like they were criticizing those that were against the war.

Sheehan, although not on the same side of her protest as I, got my applause for her efforts.

But I am curious...why do you criticize the tea partyers?

Because their ideas are detrimental to the American people

I asked why you criticize the tea partyers...not why you criticize their ideas.

Because they support these detrimental ideas even in the face of facts.

They believe lies to retain and defend these failed ideas.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

The more lead i can put into someone breaking into my house and threatening my family and property the better.

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

If you're aiming for someone's knee instead of center mass you obviously learned everything you know about shooting in self defense from watching Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

 

[Jarhead]

There need not be logic. If i want a gun with a 20 shot clip and I am a law abiding citizen, there is no reason to tell me I can't have one.

Just because there is less of a chance of being in a crowd being "sprayed with bullets" than there is of winning the Power Ball, you call for not letting anyone have a high capacity clip or a semi auto.

It's the same thinking that gets a teen age girl kicked out of school for having Advil in her purse because the school have a zero tolerance for drugs policy.

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

What I put in bold is an example of what ruins good intelligent debates on this board.

 

[Jarhead]

Because their ideas are detrimental to the American people

I asked why you criticize the tea partyers...not why you criticize their ideas.

Because they support these detrimental ideas even in the face of facts.

They believe lies to retain and defend these failed ideas.

So your perception of the truth is the end all.
Others do not have the right, in your eyes, to percieve as truth what they believe as truth.

And anyone who sees something differently than you do is a fool and the believer in lies.

THAT, TM, is what I see as your problem with people in general...and why many do not like to debate you.

I see Sheehan as completely wrong with her thinking. I believe the left capitalized on her grief.
Yet, I applaud her for her efforts and see her as an AMerican doing what Americans do.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There need not be logic. If i want a gun with a 20 shot clip and I am a law abiding citizen, there is no reason to tell me I can't have one.

Just because there is less of a chance of being in a crowd being "sprayed with bullets" than there is of winning the Power Ball, you call for not letting anyone have a high capacity clip or a semi auto.

It's the same thinking that gets a teen age girl kicked out of school for having Advil in her purse because the school have a zero tolerance for drugs policy.

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.

But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

Interestng how you never respond in a substantive manner to the posts that directly and soundly address your questions and fallacies.

Lack of capacity, I'd wager.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There need not be logic. If i want a gun with a 20 shot clip and I am a law abiding citizen, there is no reason to tell me I can't have one.

Just because there is less of a chance of being in a crowd being "sprayed with bullets" than there is of winning the Power Ball, you call for not letting anyone have a high capacity clip or a semi auto.

It's the same thinking that gets a teen age girl kicked out of school for having Advil in her purse because the school have a zero tolerance for drugs policy.

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.

But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

So keeping my family from being brutalized by shooting a criminal breaking into my home is not protecting their lives and therefor their health?

Or is it your assumption that merely having a weapon in the house is harmful to their health?

 

[Jarhead]

The more lead i can put into someone breaking into my house and threatening my family and property the better.

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

If you're aiming for someone's knee instead of center mass you obviously learned everything you know about shooting in self defense from watching Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

No sir. I was just making a point.
I was taught to aim to kill...not to maim.....as my life and my wing man's life depended upon it.
So I will say iut this way.
If you do not kill or slow the criminl down with the first 5 shots, you are likely going to die.
Criminals that break into peoples homes do not stick around for a gun fight.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

The more lead i can put into someone breaking into my house and threatening my family and property the better.

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

Full-auto, 20 rounds in 5 seconds? 240rpm?
Why bother -- my 10-yr old can pull the trigger faster than that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

If you're aiming for someone's knee instead of center mass you obviously learned everything you know about shooting in self defense from watching Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

No sir. I was just making a point.
I was taught to aim to kill...not to maim.....as my life and my wing man's life depended upon it.
So I will say iut this way.
If you do not kill or slow the criminl down with the first 5 shots, you are likely going to die.
Criminals that break into peoples homes do not stick around for a gun fight.

You assume there is only one criminal?

Not an assumption I am going to make.

 

[Nosmo King]

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

What I put in bold is an example of what ruins good intelligent debates on this board.

I can't see how firing dozens of shots while a burglar is in the house is always a logical response. Or a healthy response.

Shooting a burglar to death is one thing. Using a dozen bullets to do it during the confusion such a situation always poses is a decidedly stupid thing.

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

 

[Truthmatters]

There are truths and there are lies.

These things actually exsist in the world.

You are intitiled to your own oppinions but not your own truths.


There are no death panels in the HC bill.

Obama is not a socialist.

The HC bill is not a governement take over.


Fanny and freddy did not cause the economic meltdown.

Obama is a natural American citizen.




Just because someone chooses to believe lies does not make the lies truths.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

What I put in bold is an example of what ruins good intelligent debates on this board.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/150653-observations-regarding-the-anti-gun-crowd.html
More evidence in support of the premise.

 

[Skull Pilot]

In other words: spraying the maximum amount of carnage at a crime scene.

How virtuous. How logical. How well thought out. I'm sure the safety of your family is only a matter of protecting your possessions and not their health.But, now that I think about it, it does make sense in a Conservative way. After all, possessions are more precious than people according to Conservative logic.

What I put in bold is an example of what ruins good intelligent debates on this board.

I can't see how firing dozens of shots while a burglar is in the house is always a logical response. Or a healthy response.

Shooting a burglar to death is one thing. Using a dozen bullets to do it during the confusion such a situation always poses is a decidedly stupid thing.

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

Which is where all the blame belongs.

 

[Jarhead]

If you're aiming for someone's knee instead of center mass you obviously learned everything you know about shooting in self defense from watching Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon

No sir. I was just making a point.
I was taught to aim to kill...not to maim.....as my life and my wing man's life depended upon it.
So I will say iut this way.
If you do not kill or slow the criminl down with the first 5 shots, you are likely going to die.
Criminals that break into peoples homes do not stick around for a gun fight.

You assume there is only one criminal?

Not an assumption I am going to make.

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

Yes -- Damn that homeowner for having things worth stealing - clearly, its HIS fault that the criminal broke in.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No sir. I was just making a point.
I was taught to aim to kill...not to maim.....as my life and my wing man's life depended upon it.
So I will say iut this way.
If you do not kill or slow the criminl down with the first 5 shots, you are likely going to die.
Criminals that break into peoples homes do not stick around for a gun fight.

You assume there is only one criminal?

Not an assumption I am going to make.

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?

Nothing.

 

[saveliberty]

I don't own a gun of any type. Giving some thought to buying a handgun (9mm) with an extended clip and laser sight. I want the target to know where I am aiming. Probably the biggest deterent short of pulling the trigger. Thing is, a person walked in front of my car and commited suicide back in 1983. Taking a life whether deliberately or by accident is a life changing event for both parties. I need to resolve whether I'm willing to pull the trigger before I buy.

 

[Nosmo King]

What I put in bold is an example of what ruins good intelligent debates on this board.

I can't see how firing dozens of shots while a burglar is in the house is always a logical response. Or a healthy response.

Shooting a burglar to death is one thing. Using a dozen bullets to do it during the confusion such a situation always poses is a decidedly stupid thing.

It ignores the health and safety of the resident family and concentrates all the blame for the mayhem on the intruder.

Which is where all the blame belongs.

If a few of those dozens of bullets end up in the bodies of your family because you would rather play Rambo than use the sense God gave us all, then there is blame to spread around at the coroner's inquest.

A situation that necessitates firing an automatic weapon in your house is going to be a confusing situation, to say the least. Did the shyster who sold you on getting a machine gun for home defense dance through the possible scenarios with you, or did you figure all this out after watching some Charles Bronson movies?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Well, I asked for an example of that vaunted Conservative logic and that's just what I got.

Care to answer the question? What's the virtue of a high capacity clip?

The more lead i can put into someone breaking into my house and threatening my family and property the better.

One shot in the knee will stop anyone braeaking into your house.
A single loading clip of 20 is more than enough
The real question is why an automatic weapon that fires 20 rounds in 5 seconds is necessary.

How many people do you know that can hit a moving knee in the dark, let alone at anytime?

What's to keep that person form shooting back?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You assume there is only one criminal?

Not an assumption I am going to make.

Well, I cant argue.
But I believe history backs the point I make.
A clip of 20 is enough. If you need more, you are likely a dead man.

In most cases you may very well be correct but what will banning high capacity clips do to lessen crime?
Nothing.

There's absolutely no sound reason for a law-abiding person to NOT have unfettered access to "high-capacity' magazines.