I have seen the Democrat's version of Sarah Palin....

[nodoginnafight]

Thanks nodog. If anyone understood this bipartisan post, I knew you would. I am simply amazed at a time where the Democrats currently hold all of the power, Creigh Deeds is the BEST they could put forward to run for Governor in the state of Virginia? Our two previous governors have been Democrats, with no major issues, so a Democrat SHOULD have been a shoe in. I am truly just in awe after last night's debate.

And you've cut right to the core of a very important thing imho. As much as political parties try to clamor and scream that THEIR way is the right way, what it almost always boils down to is individuals.

I think the vast majority of votes go to candidates - not parties.
Each party may have a core of faithful who will always go with their party no matter what - but elections are won and lost by the votes of those who vote for an individual candidate without worrying too much about which letter of the alphabet is stuck on the end.

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

 

[goldcatt]

Thanks nodog. If anyone understood this bipartisan post, I knew you would. I am simply amazed at a time where the Democrats currently hold all of the power, Creigh Deeds is the BEST they could put forward to run for Governor in the state of Virginia? Our two previous governors have been Democrats, with no major issues, so a Democrat SHOULD have been a shoe in. I am truly just in awe after last night's debate.

I haven't been following this one. Who were the other Dem candidates and why didn't they get the nod? (Or were there any?) Might be just a question of connections and money. Or, in the era of the 24-hour "news" cycle a photogenic moron with a clean record will win out over brilliance with bad hair and a skeleton in the closet every time.

That's the weird part, the main contender was Terry McAuliffe, who had mucho denaro and was actually running campaign ads a year ago. It was assumed he would get the nod, and yet somehow Deeds took it from him in a rather convincing fashion. After watching Deeds in the debate last night, I have NO idea how.

Terry McAuliffe? Ouch. He's a tactics and money man, not a leader. Although it sounds like you might have ended up with something even worse than that.

 

[VaYank5150]

I haven't been following this one. Who were the other Dem candidates and why didn't they get the nod? (Or were there any?) Might be just a question of connections and money. Or, in the era of the 24-hour "news" cycle a photogenic moron with a clean record will win out over brilliance with bad hair and a skeleton in the closet every time.

That's the weird part, the main contender was Terry McAuliffe, who had mucho denaro and was actually running campaign ads a year ago. It was assumed he would get the nod, and yet somehow Deeds took it from him in a rather convincing fashion. After watching Deeds in the debate last night, I have NO idea how.

Terry McAuliffe? Ouch. He's a tactics and money man, not a leader. Although it sounds like you might have ended up with something even worse than that.

I guess the good thing is, based on the polls, Deeds will NOT be Virginia's next Governor.

 

[goldcatt]

That's the weird part, the main contender was Terry McAuliffe, who had mucho denaro and was actually running campaign ads a year ago. It was assumed he would get the nod, and yet somehow Deeds took it from him in a rather convincing fashion. After watching Deeds in the debate last night, I have NO idea how.

Terry McAuliffe? Ouch. He's a tactics and money man, not a leader. Although it sounds like you might have ended up with something even worse than that.

I guess the good thing is, based on the polls, Deeds will NOT be Virginia's next Governor.

If he's the Dem's answer to Palin, I sure hope not! We have enough crazies in public ofice on both sides already.

 

[VaYank5150]

And you've cut right to the core of a very important thing imho. As much as political parties try to clamor and scream that THEIR way is the right way, what it almost always boils down to is individuals.

I think the vast majority of votes go to candidates - not parties.
Each party may have a core of faithful who will always go with their party no matter what - but elections are won and lost by the votes of those who vote for an individual candidate without worrying too much about which letter of the alphabet is stuck on the end.

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I agree with you. Obama overcame a lot to be our POTUS. Some self inflicted (Wright) and some inflicted upon him (******, Muslim, etc).

 

[goldcatt]

And you've cut right to the core of a very important thing imho. As much as political parties try to clamor and scream that THEIR way is the right way, what it almost always boils down to is individuals.

I think the vast majority of votes go to candidates - not parties.
Each party may have a core of faithful who will always go with their party no matter what - but elections are won and lost by the votes of those who vote for an individual candidate without worrying too much about which letter of the alphabet is stuck on the end.

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I think you're right about McCain v2000, I also think that's who people were really voting for in the primaries. I probably would have voted for that McCain. But he had to make the decision early on when he ran out of cash, give up or sell his soul to the right to keep his campaign alive. I don't think he really understood how much they would demand in return, whatever else he may be McCain isn't a complete whore, but he's not the first to get snared in his own ambition.

 

[Mr. Capitalism]

Thanks nodog. If anyone understood this bipartisan post, I knew you would. I am simply amazed at a time where the Democrats currently hold all of the power, Creigh Deeds is the BEST they could put forward to run for Governor in the state of Virginia? Our two previous governors have been Democrats, with no major issues, so a Democrat SHOULD have been a shoe in. I am truly just in awe after last night's debate.

In all fairness, Tim Kaine has been mediocre at best as a governor. But liberal hatred of anything Clinton knocked out Terry McAullife who would have smashed Bob McDonnell.

I disagree. As an Independent voter, I could not have voted for McAuliffe. While McAuliffe had plans, they all included big time spending and big time taxes without any mention of trying to find waste within Virginia's government.

To me at least it is an honest platform. Raise taxes, raise spending. As usual, the GOP and the Ds for that matter are offering the general "Cut taxes, raise spending" policy.

 

[nodoginnafight]

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I agree with you. Obama overcame a lot to be our POTUS. Some self inflicted (Wright) and some inflicted upon him (******, Muslim, etc).

Maybe this is wishful thinking - but I like to think that folks were looking for someone to rise above the hyper-partisan political theater. McCain was in a great position to capitalize on that in 2000 and I think that carried him as far as it did. But the last four to six years of his voting record and the Palin pick seemed to undermine that and so folks finally just decided that Obama was the better choice in that respect.

Of course, I may just be projecting my own sensibilities onto a lot of other folks.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed are by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

 

[nodoginnafight]

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I think you're right about McCain v2000, I also think that's who people were really voting for in the primaries. I probably would have voted for that McCain. But he had to make the decision early on when he ran out of cash, give up or sell his soul to the right to keep his campaign alive. I don't think he really understood how much they would demand in return, whatever else he may be McCain isn't a complete whore, but he's not the first to get snared in his own ambition.

THAT is a good point. The money was coming from the far right .......
THANKS for the new nugget to ponder

 

[goldcatt]

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I think you're right about McCain v2000, I also think that's who people were really voting for in the primaries. I probably would have voted for that McCain. But he had to make the decision early on when he ran out of cash, give up or sell his soul to the right to keep his campaign alive. I don't think he really understood how much they would demand in return, whatever else he may be McCain isn't a complete whore, but he's not the first to get snared in his own ambition.

THAT is a good point. The money was coming from the far right .......
THANKS for the new nugget to ponder

Follow the money, my old friend. You'll always get your answer.

 

[nodoginnafight]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

The "unalienable Human Right endowed by God" is the right to serve God - period - end of list.
The fact that our forefathers had to overcome a religious predisposition to acknowledge the authority of the crown and the fact that they did this by pandering to the puritans by pretending God endorsed political principles is not surprising.

It still happens today - people manipulate the gulliable with religion in order to achieve their political goals.

THIS Christian has studied the Bible thoroughly enough to realize that ANYONE who tries to claim God endorses political objectives is NOT speaking the word of God.

 

[VaYank5150]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed are by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

I openly admit that I am NOT the sharpest tool in the shed, but HUH??

 

[Qball]

Let me know when he gets 40MM to watch his speech, 70MM to watch the debate, dismantles ObamaCare with a single Facebook posting and gets to #1 on Amazon

 

[goldcatt]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed are by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

I openly admit that I am NOT the sharpest tool in the shed, but HUH??

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

While I WANT to believe your assessment is accurate, that doesn't help me understand how McCain and Palin did as well as they did in November.

I think you have to remember the hurdles Obama had to clear to get elected. He's black, he has a wacky name, I think his opponents did a fair job of making people afraid of him, he was relatively inexperienced. I think the John McCain of 2000 could have beaten him - but John McCain 2008 (The guy who let the far right jam Palin down his throat) - not so much.

I think you're right about McCain v2000, I also think that's who people were really voting for in the primaries. I probably would have voted for that McCain. But he had to make the decision early on when he ran out of cash, give up or sell his soul to the right to keep his campaign alive. I don't think he really understood how much they would demand in return, whatever else he may be McCain isn't a complete whore, but he's not the first to get snared in his own ambition.

Actually... about the only person who could have defeated the Marxist Muslim in 2008, was Palin...

Another new-comer... a woman... and a person who spoke to the character of America; the immutable principles; the unalienable rights which must rise above the tyrannical traits of Socialism...

The reason that McCain did was well as he did is spelled out: P A L I N.

Brace yourself girls... by the time the economic subversion of the Hussein regime takes it toll on what's left of the economy... 2010 will be particluarly hard on you idiots... and it's entirely possible that by the time 2012 comes along, Joe Biden will have taken on the roll of Gerald Ford... pardoned Hussein and Palin will walk right in to a CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATURE... which is vastly distinct from "Republican'... and it's likely that America will become a very uncomfortable place for Leftists, after that.

Which, by my estimation will be roughly in and around the time which you idiots kick off the first true American civil war... some 18 months prior to your total annihilation.

 

[nodoginnafight]

The reason that McCain did was well as he did is spelled out: P A L I N.

Then nominate her for the top spot on the ticket next time - and put your "wisdom" to the test.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed are by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

I openly admit that I am NOT the sharpest tool in the shed, but HUH??

Clearly... but you said the guy was the 'Democrat Palin'... I merely described Palin and stated that if Deeds fit that description, that I could get behind such a candidate; which I then qualified by asserting the unlikeihood that your comparison was accurate.

 

[nodoginnafight]

The reason that McCain did was well as he did is spelled out: P A L I N.

Then nominate her for the top spot on the ticket next time - and put your "wisdom" to the test.

Of course the RCP poll averages show the McCain highwater mark on Spt. 8 four days after the convention. From there he slid steadily - by Sept 24 when he "suspended his campaign" and convinced many of his economic ineptitude - he had already lost his convention bounce. Why? Because Palin exposed her own ineptitude in a series of disasterous interviews and speeches? I would argue that is the case.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

....and his name is Creigh Deeds.

Wow...did anyone else see the VA gubernatorial debate last night?

So Creigh Deeds has an instinctive understanding of the immutable principles on which America rests? That unalienable Human Rights endowed by God and come with sacred responsibilities; and that those who reject those responsibilities, reject those rights... and that all those who do so, have nothing in common with America; thus no claim the the title of American?

Well great... IF THAT'S TRUE... then that's a Democrat I could get behind.

Of course, it's not true... but IF it were... that would be great.

The "unalienable Human Right endowed by God" is the right to serve God - period - end of list.
The fact that our forefathers had to overcome a religious predisposition to acknowledge the authority of the crown and the fact that they did this by pandering to the puritans by pretending God endorsed political principles is not surprising.

It still happens today - people manipulate the gulliable with religion in order to achieve their political goals.

THIS Christian has studied the Bible thoroughly enough to realize that ANYONE who tries to claim God endorses political objectives is NOT speaking the word of God.

And THAT friends is a beautful illustration of an ANTI-AMERICAN!

There's absolutely nothing American in that drivel... it stands against everything American stands for.

Thus the person who advanced that is the enemy of America; and will, in fairly short order, be involved in a violent civil war against Americans; a war which be started by them... and which will be fought to determine what ideology will prevail in the US... and which will result in the total annihilation of Left-think... absolute, inescapable, exceptionless, merciless extinction of everything which represents Left-think.

Not one soul which formerly represented any facet of such will survive... and not one soul will ever speak of such, again...