I bet Republicans really miss President Obama now!

[blackhawk]

 

[reconmark]

Politics is a dirty game. It's full of people who engage in a whole host of reprehensible behavior that would make most people cringe if they got to see it up close and personal every single day. They include, but certainly are not limited to, the following:

Backstabbing, posturing, engaging in feigned outrage, taking credit for things you had nothing to do with, denying responsibility for things you were involved with, misrepresenting the facts, blatant hypocrisy, outright lying, professing beliefs you don't really hold in order to ingratiate yourself with the electorate, pandering to those same people, and rarely voting your conscience because voting the way you're told to vote by the leadership is the only certain way to assure your future in a party system where seniority reigns supreme.

Yup, it's pretty darn unsavory, alright. And naturally, the party system is one of the reasons it's this way. Think of it like team sports. For example, all things being equal, what's the greatest single determining factor which influences whether or not a spectator believes that a pass was a completion which was run into the end zone for a touchdown, or it was a trapped (and therefore an incomplete) pass, or that the runner stepped out of bounds 30 yards away from the goal line? It's probably determined by which team the spectator is a fan. So too with politics.

For example, at one time or another, everybody probably has noticed that when a president of one party proposes X, in short order there is a rising chorus of voices in opposition. And almost always, it comes from members of the other party. Meanwhile, the members of the president's party either offer praise, or they at least withhold any kind of real criticism. However, the reality of what elected representatives may actually feel in their heart of hearts may be completely different. There may be quite a few members of the opposition party who think X is a great idea and would enthusiastically support it if and when it was proposed by a president of their own party. Likewise, members of the president's party may not really like the idea (X) but instead decide not to criticize it in order to promote party unity and/or to hopefully further their own political careers.

It's with this understanding that I cam't help but marvel at how frequently Republican Party elected representatives have come out in firm opposition to statements that Trump has made both as a candidate prior to the election and as president since taking office. Contrast that with Republicans responses to Obama over an 8 year period. Oh sure, there were several times when Republicans opposed Obama and did so quite vocally. But at least a part of those responses in either degree, or frequency, or both, can be attributed to the previously mentioned 'feigned outrage' which some Republicans offered up in order to curry favor with their increasingly angry GOP base.

However, on balance, very few people could honestly dispute the fact that President Obama had truly earned the moniker of "'no-drama' Obama." No, Obama rarely ever said or did anything that could be considered outrageous except by the most partisan observer. I dare say that even the more strident Republicans never had any concerns about President Obama's mental stability. Today, however, whether they're willing to say so on the record or not, many Republican elected officials cannot say the same about President Trump.

That's why I think Republicans really miss President Obama. Think of it this way. If America ever had/has a president who was arguably mentally/psychologically/emotionally unstable what politician could possibly want that president to be a member of his or her political party?

No they really won't miss him until they start giving their kids drinking water polluted with coal run-off and their black lung "welfare" checks stop coming...

I was born and raised in coal country and no one drinks from streams or rivers and black lung claims are handled by the Dept. Of Labor.

Sorry that facts give you an ass rash...
Coal Miners Stand to Lose Black Lung Coverage if ACA Is Repealed

If President-elect Donald Trump fulfills his promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, coal miners may lose disability benefits related to black lung.

The ACA included a provision meant to reverse the difficulty coal miners experienced when applying for compensation for black lung disease. Before 2009, “miners had to prove not only that they were disabled because of breathing problems, and that they had coal workers’ black lung, but that their disability was caused by their years in the mine,” writes a journalist at the online publication Stat.


Debbie Wills coordinates the black lung program for Valley Health primary care system. She says that prior to the ACA, it was almost impossible to qualify for the compensation benefits. Coal companies pay the benefits, and also pay into a federal trust fund that pays when coal companies can't. Wills says the process of getting benefits was arduous for miners.
The Affordable Care Act includes something called the Byrd Amendments. One shifts the burden of proof — instead of miners having to prove that mining caused their black lung, the coal companies have to prove that mining didn't.

"Coal company lawyers would doctor shop around the country and find two, three, four, five, seven doctors to say, 'Yes this miner is disabled, but it's not because of black lung,'"
Obamacare Repeal Threatens A Health Benefit Popular In Coal Country

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[percysunshine]

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So you are a Democrat who would favor Donald Trump over GW Bush?

 

[reconmark]

Contaminants from coal ash disposal sites threaten drinking water for Charlotte, researchers found

Politics is a dirty game. It's full of people who engage in a whole host of reprehensible behavior that would make most people cringe if they got to see it up close and personal every single day. They include, but certainly are not limited to, the following:

Backstabbing, posturing, engaging in feigned outrage, taking credit for things you had nothing to do with, denying responsibility for things you were involved with, misrepresenting the facts, blatant hypocrisy, outright lying, professing beliefs you don't really hold in order to ingratiate yourself with the electorate, pandering to those same people, and rarely voting your conscience because voting the way you're told to vote by the leadership is the only certain way to assure your future in a party system where seniority reigns supreme.

Yup, it's pretty darn unsavory, alright. And naturally, the party system is one of the reasons it's this way. Think of it like team sports. For example, all things being equal, what's the greatest single determining factor which influences whether or not a spectator believes that a pass was a completion which was run into the end zone for a touchdown, or it was a trapped (and therefore an incomplete) pass, or that the runner stepped out of bounds 30 yards away from the goal line? It's probably determined by which team the spectator is a fan. So too with politics.

For example, at one time or another, everybody probably has noticed that when a president of one party proposes X, in short order there is a rising chorus of voices in opposition. And almost always, it comes from members of the other party. Meanwhile, the members of the president's party either offer praise, or they at least withhold any kind of real criticism. However, the reality of what elected representatives may actually feel in their heart of hearts may be completely different. There may be quite a few members of the opposition party who think X is a great idea and would enthusiastically support it if and when it was proposed by a president of their own party. Likewise, members of the president's party may not really like the idea (X) but instead decide not to criticize it in order to promote party unity and/or to hopefully further their own political careers.

It's with this understanding that I cam't help but marvel at how frequently Republican Party elected representatives have come out in firm opposition to statements that Trump has made both as a candidate prior to the election and as president since taking office. Contrast that with Republicans responses to Obama over an 8 year period. Oh sure, there were several times when Republicans opposed Obama and did so quite vocally. But at least a part of those responses in either degree, or frequency, or both, can be attributed to the previously mentioned 'feigned outrage' which some Republicans offered up in order to curry favor with their increasingly angry GOP base.

However, on balance, very few people could honestly dispute the fact that President Obama had truly earned the moniker of "'no-drama' Obama." No, Obama rarely ever said or did anything that could be considered outrageous except by the most partisan observer. I dare say that even the more strident Republicans never had any concerns about President Obama's mental stability. Today, however, whether they're willing to say so on the record or not, many Republican elected officials cannot say the same about President Trump.

That's why I think Republicans really miss President Obama. Think of it this way. If America ever had/has a president who was arguably mentally/psychologically/emotionally unstable what politician could possibly want that president to be a member of his or her political party?

No they really won't miss him until they start giving their kids drinking water polluted with coal run-off and their black lung "welfare" checks stop coming...

I was born and raised in coal country and no one drinks from streams or rivers and black lung claims are handled by the Dept. Of Labor.

WASHINGTON — The chemical spill that contaminated water for hundreds of thousands in West Virginia was only the latest and most high-profile case of coal sullying the nation's waters.

For decades, chemicals and waste from the coal industry have tainted hundreds of waterways and groundwater supplies, spoiling private wells, shutting down fishing and rendering streams virtually lifeless

“I've made a career of body counts of dead fish and wildlife made that way from coal,” said Dennis Lemly, a U.S. Forest Service research biologist who has spent decades chronicling the deformities that pollution from coal mining has caused in fish.

“How many years and how many cases does it take before somebody will step up to the plate and say, ‘Wait a minute, we need to change this’?”

The spill of a coal-cleaning chemical into a river in Charleston, W.Va., left 300,000 people without water. It exposed a potentially new and under-regulated risk to water from the coal industry when the federal government is still trying to close regulatory gaps that have contributed to coal's legacy of water pollution.

Contaminants from coal ash disposal sites threaten drinking water for Charlotte, researchers found

 

[Avatar4321]

Not missing him at all. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to not hearing his name again..

Amen brother. Preach it!

 

[S.J.]

It's important that we remember the damage done by Obama, lest we become complacent and allow a communist to occupy the White House again. That hardly translates into "missing him". He is without a doubt the worst thing to ever happen to this country and we can't afford to let that fade from our memories.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Not one fucking iota do I miss him.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Not missing him at all. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to not hearing his name again..

That's odd...I'm seeing more RWrs referring to President Obama and H. Clinton than any LWr is.

I'm seeing far more people claiming they didn't vote for hillary than admit to voting for her, in fact to this point, I have been like pulling the proverbial teeth trying to get left wingers to admit they voted for...this election may really need to be investigated

 

[blackhawk]

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So you are a Democrat who would favor Donald Trump over GW Bush?

Nope.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Not at all.

And this is the first time anyone has called Obama no drama Obama.

Is this from the same vein of people claiming Obama had no scandals?

Ummm, no, it's from people who watched Obama come into the role of the President and make nice with governments Bush alienated, & without a game plan immediately cobbled a way to alleviate the panic and slowly rebuild confidence in our economy.

A good man able to take the high road, even when fools and idiots and liars attacked him and his family. You know the kind, you see one in the mirror.

 

[percysunshine]

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So you are a Democrat who would favor Donald Trump over GW Bush?

Nope.

If you are not a Democrat, why reply to the bet?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Not missing him at all. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to not hearing his name again..

That's odd...I'm seeing more RWrs referring to President Obama and H. Clinton than any LWr is.

I'm seeing far more people claiming they didn't vote for hillary than admit to voting for her, in fact to this point, I have been like pulling the proverbial teeth trying to get left wingers to admit they voted for...this election may really need to be investigated

I voted for HRC, and if she had won the EC vote, we would not be faced with wondering if the POTUS is sane.

Some of us have stopped wondering! The more he tweets, the less grounded in reality he appears.

 

[Avatar4321]

Politics is a dirty game. It's full of people who engage in a whole host of reprehensible behavior that would make most people cringe if they got to see it up close and personal every single day. They include, but certainly are not limited to, the following:

Backstabbing, posturing, engaging in feigned outrage, taking credit for things you had nothing to do with, denying responsibility for things you were involved with, misrepresenting the facts, blatant hypocrisy, outright lying, professing beliefs you don't really hold in order to ingratiate yourself with the electorate, pandering to those same people, and rarely voting your conscience because voting the way you're told to vote by the leadership is the only certain way to assure your future in a party system where seniority reigns supreme.

Yup, it's pretty darn unsavory, alright. And naturally, the party system is one of the reasons it's this way. Think of it like team sports. For example, all things being equal, what's the greatest single determining factor which influences whether or not a spectator believes that a pass was a completion which was run into the end zone for a touchdown, or it was a trapped (and therefore an incomplete) pass, or that the runner stepped out of bounds 30 yards away from the goal line? It's probably determined by which team the spectator is a fan. So too with politics.

For example, at one time or another, everybody probably has noticed that when a president of one party proposes X, in short order there is a rising chorus of voices in opposition. And almost always, it comes from members of the other party. Meanwhile, the members of the president's party either offer praise, or they at least withhold any kind of real criticism. However, the reality of what elected representatives may actually feel in their heart of hearts may be completely different. There may be quite a few members of the opposition party who think X is a great idea and would enthusiastically support it if and when it was proposed by a president of their own party. Likewise, members of the president's party may not really like the idea (X) but instead decide not to criticize it in order to promote party unity and/or to hopefully further their own political careers.

It's with this understanding that I cam't help but marvel at how frequently Republican Party elected representatives have come out in firm opposition to statements that Trump has made both as a candidate prior to the election and as president since taking office. Contrast that with Republicans responses to Obama over an 8 year period. Oh sure, there were several times when Republicans opposed Obama and did so quite vocally. But at least a part of those responses in either degree, or frequency, or both, can be attributed to the previously mentioned 'feigned outrage' which some Republicans offered up in order to curry favor with their increasingly angry GOP base.

However, on balance, very few people could honestly dispute the fact that President Obama had truly earned the moniker of "'no-drama' Obama." No, Obama rarely ever said or did anything that could be considered outrageous except by the most partisan observer. I dare say that even the more strident Republicans never had any concerns about President Obama's mental stability. Today, however, whether they're willing to say so on the record or not, many Republican elected officials cannot say the same about President Trump.

That's why I think Republicans really miss President Obama. Think of it this way. If America ever had/has a president who was arguably mentally/psychologically/emotionally unstable what politician could possibly want that president to be a member of his or her political party?

No they really won't miss him until they start giving their kids drinking water polluted with coal run-off and their black lung "welfare" checks stop coming...

So you think we will be upset with the same level of runoff as the entire Obama administration? The beautiful of not believing lies it you wont be disappointed by them.

Oh and we don't collect welfare

 

[blackhawk]

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So you are a Democrat who would favor Donald Trump over GW Bush?

Nope.

If you are not a Democrat, why reply to the bet?

The OP title is I bet Republicans really miss President Obama now. I don't why you brought George W Bush up only you know.

 

[Avatar4321]

First, I am replying to the headline. I could not get through the first paragraph of your self-indulgent bullshit.

Second, I would rather cut off my testicles with dull scissors than have Obama back as president. It has been nearly four months since the election and you morons still have figured out what happened to you. Pathetic.

Tell us how you really feel

 

[Avatar4321]

Not at all.

And this is the first time anyone has called Obama no drama Obama.

Is this from the same vein of people claiming Obama had no scandals?

Ummm, no, it's from people who watched Obama come into the role of the President and make nice with governments Bush alienated, & without a game plan immediately cobbled a way to alleviate the panic and slowly rebuild confidence in our economy.

A good man able to take the high road, even when fools and idiots and liars attacked him and his family. You know the kind, you see one in the mirror.

I agree it takes a good man to take the high road.

It's a shame Obama never tried to take it

 

[Auld Phart]

Not missing him at all. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to not hearing his name again..

That's odd...I'm seeing more RWrs referring to President Obama and H. Clinton than any LWr is.

I'm seeing far more people claiming they didn't vote for hillary than admit to voting for her, in fact to this point, I have been like pulling the proverbial teeth trying to get left wingers to admit they voted for...this election may really need to be investigated

I voted for HRC, and if she had won the EC vote, we would not be faced with wondering if the POTUS is sane.

Some of us have stopped wondering! The more he tweets, the less grounded in reality he appears.

I voted for HRC, and if she had won the EC vote, we would not be faced with wondering if the POTUS is sane.

Yes, there is no doubt about her (lack of) sanity

 

[reconmark]

Politics is a dirty game. It's full of people who engage in a whole host of reprehensible behavior that would make most people cringe if they got to see it up close and personal every single day. They include, but certainly are not limited to, the following:

Backstabbing, posturing, engaging in feigned outrage, taking credit for things you had nothing to do with, denying responsibility for things you were involved with, misrepresenting the facts, blatant hypocrisy, outright lying, professing beliefs you don't really hold in order to ingratiate yourself with the electorate, pandering to those same people, and rarely voting your conscience because voting the way you're told to vote by the leadership is the only certain way to assure your future in a party system where seniority reigns supreme.

Yup, it's pretty darn unsavory, alright. And naturally, the party system is one of the reasons it's this way. Think of it like team sports. For example, all things being equal, what's the greatest single determining factor which influences whether or not a spectator believes that a pass was a completion which was run into the end zone for a touchdown, or it was a trapped (and therefore an incomplete) pass, or that the runner stepped out of bounds 30 yards away from the goal line? It's probably determined by which team the spectator is a fan. So too with politics.

For example, at one time or another, everybody probably has noticed that when a president of one party proposes X, in short order there is a rising chorus of voices in opposition. And almost always, it comes from members of the other party. Meanwhile, the members of the president's party either offer praise, or they at least withhold any kind of real criticism. However, the reality of what elected representatives may actually feel in their heart of hearts may be completely different. There may be quite a few members of the opposition party who think X is a great idea and would enthusiastically support it if and when it was proposed by a president of their own party. Likewise, members of the president's party may not really like the idea (X) but instead decide not to criticize it in order to promote party unity and/or to hopefully further their own political careers.

It's with this understanding that I cam't help but marvel at how frequently Republican Party elected representatives have come out in firm opposition to statements that Trump has made both as a candidate prior to the election and as president since taking office. Contrast that with Republicans responses to Obama over an 8 year period. Oh sure, there were several times when Republicans opposed Obama and did so quite vocally. But at least a part of those responses in either degree, or frequency, or both, can be attributed to the previously mentioned 'feigned outrage' which some Republicans offered up in order to curry favor with their increasingly angry GOP base.

However, on balance, very few people could honestly dispute the fact that President Obama had truly earned the moniker of "'no-drama' Obama." No, Obama rarely ever said or did anything that could be considered outrageous except by the most partisan observer. I dare say that even the more strident Republicans never had any concerns about President Obama's mental stability. Today, however, whether they're willing to say so on the record or not, many Republican elected officials cannot say the same about President Trump.

That's why I think Republicans really miss President Obama. Think of it this way. If America ever had/has a president who was arguably mentally/psychologically/emotionally unstable what politician could possibly want that president to be a member of his or her political party?

No they really won't miss him until they start giving their kids drinking water polluted with coal run-off and their black lung "welfare" checks stop coming...

So you think we will be upset with the same level of runoff as the entire Obama administration? The beautiful of not believing lies it you wont be disappointed by them.

Oh and we don't collect welfare

As usual...nothing to support your bullshit...tell you what welfare recipient, you go ahead and post a link showing that trump's allowing coal discharge to be dumped in our waterways does not increase the level of coal run-off as when Obama refused to allow it to take place...
No wonder you people don't like science...

 

[percysunshine]

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So you are a Democrat who would favor Donald Trump over GW Bush?

Nope.

If you are not a Democrat, why reply to the bet?

The OP title is I bet Republicans really miss President Obama now. I don't why you brought George W Bush up only you know.

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Heh ... what a weasel. You claim I lost the bet, and now you are pretending there never was a bet. Loser...chuckle

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Not missing him at all. As a matter of fact I'm looking forward to not hearing his name again..

That's odd...I'm seeing more RWrs referring to President Obama and H. Clinton than any LWr is.

I'm seeing far more people claiming they didn't vote for hillary than admit to voting for her, in fact to this point, I have been like pulling the proverbial teeth trying to get left wingers to admit they voted for...this election may really need to be investigated

I voted for HRC, and if she had won the EC vote, we would not be faced with wondering if the POTUS is sane.

Some of us have stopped wondering! The more he tweets, the less grounded in reality he appears.

Finally, a tooth...and it's the tweets that seem to be driving the left crazy...and if you really did vote for hillary I have no sympathy for your concerns about trump or much faith in the validity of them