Hyphenated-Americans

[Patrick2]

Italian-American resentment is about as unjustified as Irish-American resentment.

One of my great grandfathers was an italian immigrant - the classic story of arriving in the 1890s or whenever with ten bucks in his pocket. I heard stories of how he was sometimes mistreated or taken advantage of. I don't respond to that as a 120 year old grievance, and I know it was just some people. America on the whole proved good for him - his estate was a few million dollars back when that would be really big money. What matters to me is the NOW. I know he considered himself an american, period.

Another thing that bothers me is when people refer to "my people", meaning their great grand father's ethnicity. MY people are all the patriotic people of the US. The US should regain control of its borders, and stop legally admitting people who will have no identification with or loyalty to the US. Who the fuck needs such people??


An aside about "big intellect" salt jones - if he's black first, he should go to where people are black first - africa. Let them give an "affirmative action" job.

 

[Flopper]

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How many of those individuals remained loyal to the country they left and how many became American citizens, and in several cases actively worked to protect and defend the United States?

The one who might be an issue is Mr. Andretti.

Wanna try that again with what I was actually talking about.... ideals, philosophies, and objects?

Well here are a few objects for you.
Enrico Fermi 1932 Nuclear Reactor
Konrad Zuse 1939 First Programmable Computer
Federico Faggin 1971 Computer Microprocessor
Robert Cailliau 1992 World Wide Web
Hans Geiger 1928 Geiger Counter
Joseph Begun 1935 Tape Recorder
Max Knoll 1930 Electron Microscope
Paul Kollsman 1928 Barometric Altimeter
Jacques Cousteau 1942 Demand Regulator for Scuba Diving
Igor Sikorsky 1940 Single Rotor Helicopter
Vladimir Zworykin 1928 Cathode Ray Tube

A couple comments:

- The first programmable computer was designed by Charles Babbage of england in the 1860s. Zuse's "Z" machines were probably the first electro-mechanical programmable computers, but were special purpose. The first fully electronic, general purpose programmable computer, ie, the fore-runner of todays machines, was the ENIAC created by Mauchley and Eckert at the University of Pennsylvania during WWII.

- The above distinguished list is hardly what we're getting today - the worst of the worst - instant welfare clients.

Baggage, who is also an Englishman was credited with the idea of a programmable computer. We would refer to his machine today as a programmable calculator. There were no programming instructions but rather mechanical parts which would be changed to order to alter the calculations.

Zuse's machine actually acceptable programmed instructions. He was a German civil engineer and computer pioneer. His greatest achievement was the world's first functional program-controlled Turing-complete computer, the Z3, which became operational in May 1941.
Zuse was also noted for the S2 computing machine, considered the first process-controlled computer. He founded one of the earliest computer businesses in 1941, producing the Z4, which became the world's first commercial computer. In 1946, he designed the first high-level programming language, Plankalkül.

 

[CitizenPained]

I'm Jewish-American. Nice to meet you.

Sorry but if that's how you identify yourself the feeling isn't mutual. Though I'm fairly ceratin you already knew that.

The reason why people designate blank-American is because America has subcultures. I'm Jewish-American. I have different holidays, different foods, different customs, language, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that, so long as the primary loyalty is to this Country. Unfortunately in many cases (and I fear you're one of them), that sub-culture is more important to you than this Country. That means your loyalties have to be questioned.

Don't fear diversity, dude.

I don't fear diversity. I fear disloyalty or misplaced loyalties.

 

[Tank]

If people do want to hyphenate, they should at least put the American part first

 

[CitizenPained]

It was the dominant white culture that put the ____-American on us. At first, we were just negroes, Hebrews, Japs, whatever, but it must have been some nice sociologist who thought to add the latter. Now you want to take it away?

 

[Tank]

Just saying, instead of maybe Italian American it could be American Italian, and so on.

 

[CitizenPained]

If your family 'talks with the hands' and makes good spaghetti and ya can brawl like the rest of them, who cares?

It's an adjective. It's a descriptor - if I say, I come from an Italian American family in Hoboken, that says a lot.

 

[uscitizen]

Due to political activism in the media most Americans are very hypenated.

 

[CitizenPained]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity, many people in America are hyphenated.

 

[Tank]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity.

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

 

[uscitizen]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity.

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

How? By cross breeding with whites. Goes on all the time.

I yearn for the day when 90% of the earths polulation is some shade of brown.

Ohh wait I think we already are

 

[CitizenPained]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity.

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

You seem to think that non-whites are sub-American, so why do you object to the hyphen?

 

[Colin]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity.

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

Your sence makes no sense.

 

[Tank]

America is just like any other place in the world, whatever type of people are the majority will decide what happens.

If or when Hispanics become the majority and decide to not celebrate the 4th of July or want to rename America, Mexico, well who's to stop them?

 

[Tank]

Due to whites not wanting minorities to be part of their larger identity.

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

Your sence makes no sense.

Thanks spelling fairy

 

[CitizenPained]

America is just like any other place in the world, whatever type of people are the majority will decide what happens.

If or when Hispanics become the majority and decide to not celebrate the 4th of July or want to rename America, Mexico, well who's to stop them?

I doubt that will happen...but hey, that's how democracy works!

 

[Patrick2]

This thread is a hoot and a half. Clueless numbskulls thinking it's all a matter of trivial semantics. There are mexicans who've been here 30 years and don't speak a single word of english.

We had a 19 year old exchange student from Swizterland stay with us for two months. Her native language is high german. She speaks french and english fluently. She knew english well enough that she would think up puns in english to amuse me. She was repeatedly shocked at the large number of hispanics out here who speak little or no English. She asked "If they are going to live here, why don't they learn English?"

They don't because English, american culture and traditions are UTTERLY not relevent to them, and still won't be if obama pulls off his amnesty/citizenship scheme. However, american politics is NOT irrelevent to them. They know the leftwingers want to use them as a path to permanent political power, and their side of the deal - permanent access to schools, the welfare system , etc - is just fine with them. Long after that happens, if it happens, they will be one thing first, last, and always - mexicans.

 

[Colin]

How could minorities be a part of whites larger identity?

That makes no sence at all.

Your sence makes no sense.

Thanks spelling fairy

Any time racist scum.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Hyphenated Americans..... Mexican-Americans; Asian-Americans; German-Americans; Irish-Americans; Muslim-Americans; Christian-Americans; Jewish-Americans; etc.... these people piss me off. It's one of my biggest pet peeves.

You are either an AMERICAN or you AREN'T. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand. You cannot have a loyalty to another place, or another philosophy and still have the proper amount of loyalty to the United States of America. It's one or the other boys and girls.

I can tell you every single country that my ancestors came to this country from. However, I hold no loyalty to any of that handful of countries. I may have the blood of those peoples in my veins but I am not attached to any of them. I learned this lesson very early on in my life, from my great-grandmother.

Her family had been here in the United States since the 17th Century. In 1980, at nearly 90 years old. she failed to fill out her US Census documents and received a visit from a Census Worker. She ended up throwing him out of her home after cursing him out in her living room. Her reason.... He refused to list AMERICAN as her heritage on the form. Even after she'd explained to him that her family had come here more than three centuries earlier. That had a profound affect on the thought process of a certain 6 year old great-grandson of hers.

So what do you folks think? Should we be focusing on these hyphenations of our heritage, or should we actually be forcing people who come to this country to actually become a part of this country, and not remain even partially loyal to other nations, religions, etc... in addition to (or often in place of) loyalty to the United States?

I have absolutely NO problem with hyphenated Americans. I think it's helpful and makes for a richer knowing of a person. It's respectful to call someone African American, when that is how they choose to identify themselves. It is an empowering label.

 

[AnnieInMexico]

Im a dual national and carry two passports to prove it, hate me all you want butt...

I have to hyphenate, it would be wrong not to.

So far as I'm concerned the idea of dual-nationalism is completely and totally undefendable. There is no way on this planet that I could ever trust anyone who holds dual citizenship. The fact that the United States even allows such a thing disgusts me. Even as it means that I have a cousin and her daughter that I go out of my way to avoid having contact with for just that reason. She married a gentleman from Brazil and moved there for a couple years. I know her daughter has dual citizenship and I believe my cousin does as well. So I avoid having anything to do with them.

Gee whiz, you make me want to work harder and faster at obtaining my duel citizenship. Mexico, no less!

Do people like you have to work at hate or does it just come naturally? Seems like it would take more effort than it is worth.

Anachronism clarified that you're British, and therefore I think you have the wrong take on the OP. You are possibly unaware that for some time in the US there has been a concerted effort by the left to balkanize this country for political purposes, eg, permitting the flooding of this country with 20 million illegal aliens - what european country would allow that?

Small correction here. Not 20,000,000 illegals, more like 30,000,000+. Mexico claims 25% of their population is currently living in the US illegally. That is 25,000,000 right there. That doesn't include all those from other countries.