How will Osama's death affect the war on terror?

[teapartysamurai]

This operation, and the intell leading to it, was done without Obama's influence. Someone came to him, laid the damn ops plan on his desk, and said "Mr. President, we got him, he's here, if you order it, we'll go kill him. Just give the order."

Obama's role in this event was basically limited to saying "Ok."

The bulk of the praise should go to our US military that has slogged on through all the attempts of Democrats to stop them and have done their job.

Yeah.....that's who stopped them.​

Look you guys can lie all you want. We have better memories than that!

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I wish I had time for more, but the Democrats made their loathing of the military most obvious during the last admin.

I will post more!

 

[Che]

Look you guys can lie all you want. We have better memories than that!



I wish I had time for more, but the Democrats made their loathing of the military most obvious during the last admin.

I will post more!

Let's not forget that horse face Sen Kerry's comments on US Forces in Iraq or the now, deceased, democrat from Pennsylvania, Murtha calling the US Marines cold blooded murderers. Roast in Hell you piece of shit democrat. You have company coming over soon.

 

[theHawk]

I'll address it.

First of all, there's bucs-0's ASSumption the information was gained by torture, which BTW, the right has always denied as occurring. It most likely was gained by conventional interrogation techniques, which provide reliable results.

Second, I will quote the man who headed the team of interrogators who successfully hunted down Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the mastermind of the campaign of suicide bombings that had helped plunge Iraq into civil war.

A) Torture doesn't work

"Torture is extremely ineffective, and it's counterproductive to what we're trying to accomplish," he told reporters. "When we torture somebody, it hardens their resolve," Alexander explained. "The information that you get is unreliable ... And even if you do get reliable information, you're able to stop a terrorist attack, Al-Qaeda's then going to use the fact that we torture people to recruit new members." Alexander says torture techniques used in Iraq consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence and that methods outlined in the US Army Field Manual, which rest on confidence building, consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to critical information.

B) Torture and abuse cost American lives.

I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me -- unless you don't count American soldiers as Americans.

When has the "right" denied torture ever happened? Water boarding is torture and it works.
Several terror attacks have been thwarted because of those interrogation "techniques".

No one ever said it should be standard policy or was policy, but it should be an option if there are no other choices.

And foreign fighters didn't need Abu Ghraib (which no torture ever took place anyway) to "flock" to fight Americans in Iraq or anywhere else. They have been gladly joining the fight against the US since long before either Abu Ghraib or Gitmo had detainees.

Its sad you libs are willing to bend of backwards to appease these radical religious nutjobs hell bent on destroying the US. Instead you concentrate all your energies on villifying the conservatives in your own country for simply wanting to fight the Islamists.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Many voices on the Western left argued that we should prosecute any action against al Qaeda as if it were merely a crime, as the Clinton administration had tended to treat al Qaeda attacks that occurred on its watch. President Bush’s team swiftly rejected that, characterized 9-11 as an act of war, and made the decision to detain captured terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for security as well as legal reasons. The administration further designated captured terrorists as illegal enemy combatants, which subjected them to military tribunals rather than ordinary civilian trials. And the administration ruled that captured terrorists must be interrogated, both to prevent future attacks and so that American forces might unravel their global terror networks. We needed to know everything, all of the unknown unknowns as then Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld might have put it: how they communicated, how they were financed, where they had cells and what their plans were and who was who in the command structure and out in the field. We knew too little on 9-11 and had to study up fast.

Stories emerging about the mission that got bin Laden point very clearly that the early decision to capture and interrogate al Qaeda terrorists paid dividends in intelligence over the years. Captured terrorists broke and spilled information about details large and small, among them the name of bin Laden’s favorite personal courier. That was important because OBL’s Abbottabad compound had no phones or internet connection. He had to rely on personal messengers, and having found his, U.S. forces could find him. It is also now beyond debate that taking the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan was the right thing to do, and staying there enabled our forces to fly in and kill the terrorist. Had our forces not been basing in Afghanistan, they might have had no place from which to move in and get the kill.

President Bush took a great deal of criticism from many quarters, including the current president, for the decisions regarding captured terrorists. He was dubbed a “war criminal,” a designation many on the left hesitated to place on the author of 9-11 itself. But it was his decision to treat them as illegal enemy combatants, and it was a decision for which he weathered a storm of criticism. And now we know, it was a decision that set America on the course to get bin Laden.

So while President Obama rightly gets some credit for authorizing the raid, we should remember that he was a leading critic of the difficult decisions that led to the intelligence that made the raid possible. We should remember to thank the president who withstood the critics because he knew his actions were taken in America’s interests. The nation owes both our 44th and 43rd presidents our thanks today.

The PJ Tatler » Osama bin Laden is dead. I blame Bush.

 

[bodecea]

water boarding works thank Bush for what you did for obama.

You're sooooo gullible.

I'm not the one thats falling for the tripe from the government. Does it taste like honey?

When it's the government you like, you can't fall fast enough....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're sooooo gullible.

I'm not the one thats falling for the tripe from the government. Does it taste like honey?

When it's the government you like, you can't fall fast enough....

I slep easy and wake up even easier. I can hear an ant fart out side my house 50 feet away.

 

[Uncensored2008]

But, I thought Bush didn't care about Bin Laden?

You didn't think. You don't have the capacity for thought. You are a drone, programmed by pheromones to do the bidding of your shameful party.

 

[AquaAthena]

Of course this operation was created by George W. Bush.

The current "Imbecile-In-Chief" wouldn't know which end of the tube the round comes out of if handed a rifle.

This operation, and the intell leading to it, was done without Obama's influence. Someone came to him, laid the damn ops plan on his desk, and said "Mr. President, we got him, he's here, if you order it, we'll go kill him. Just give the order."

Obama's role in this event was basically limited to saying "Ok."

Agreed! However, this president with pacifists tendency, DID give this risky operation the OK! And for that, he has to be respected. He actually went out on the proverbial limb and did something the HARD ASS way!!! He took a risk, and it paid off. He also did this a few years ago with the Somalian pirates, I think I remember, and he gave the OK to plug them between the eyes and that was a WIN! The captain was set free.

This whole Intel thing to get Usama was put into operation 8 years ago, in 2003, when Bush organized the military and Intelligence Ops by making UBL a target and in 2007 there was even more information on UBL and then in 2009, then 2010 and last night all efforts came together for the WIN! If Obama had not elected to send ground troops in by helicopter, UBL would still be on the run holding a woman in front of his cowardly ass!

 

[Annie]

Of course this operation was created by George W. Bush.

The current "Imbecile-In-Chief" wouldn't know which end of the tube the round comes out of if handed a rifle.

This operation, and the intell leading to it, was done without Obama's influence. Someone came to him, laid the damn ops plan on his desk, and said "Mr. President, we got him, he's here, if you order it, we'll go kill him. Just give the order."

Obama's role in this event was basically limited to saying "Ok."

Agreed! However, this president with pacifists tendency, DID give this risky operation the OK! And for that, he has to be respected. He actually went out on the proverbial limb and did something the HARD ASS way!!! He took a risk, and it paid off. He also did this a few years ago with the Somalian pirates, I think I remember, and he gave the OK to plug them between the eyes and that was a WIN! The captain was set free.

This whole Intel thing to get Usama was put into operation 8 years ago, in 2003, when Bush organized the military and Intelligence Ops by making UBL a target and in 2007 there was even more information on UBL and then in 2009, then 2010 and last night all efforts came together for the WIN! If Obama had not elected to send ground troops in by helicopter, UBL would still be on the run holding a woman in front of his cowardly ass!

I agree. He gets the 'win' and Bush gets the kudos for 'policy.' The win trumps policy.

With that said, seems the location has been known to US for anywhere from years to at the least 9 months. So why this week? Obvious tie to Patreaus and Panetta announcement, since the question there was, "Why is Patraeus expendable now in Afghanista?" Why the birther response last week, overshadowing the Patreaus and Pannetta announcements? Trump with credibility? Bogus! So why now?

Something is up, we just aren't privvy yet.

 

[Jroc]

You've got to know Obama has a new Respect for Our Military after watching that Special Forces raid on Osama's compound.... Actually that was the first time I've heard Obama say "one nation under G-d" and looked like he really meant it in his speech



Obama Watches Operation That Killed Osama

Dramatic pictures have been released of US President Barack Obama watching live footage of the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.


The al Qaeda leader was shot dead by US special forces who stormed his villa in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad in the early hours of Monday morning local time.

Bin Laden's compound was close to a military garrison and was only around 40 miles from the capital Islamabad.

Photographs issued by the White House show the president and other members of his team looking tense as they watch live video of the mission as it happened.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is shown with a particularly anxious expression, with both her hands clasped over her mouth.

US chief counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan was also among those viewing the footage.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...on_Watch_Operation_That_Killed_Al_Qaeda_Chief

 

[AquaAthena]

You've got to know Obama has a new Respect for Our Military after watching that Special Forces raid on Osama's compound.... Actually that was the first time I've heard Obama say "one nation under G-d" and looked like he really meant it in his speech



Obama Watches Operation That Killed Osama

Dramatic pictures have been released of US President Barack Obama watching live footage of the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.


The al Qaeda leader was shot dead by US special forces who stormed his villa in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad in the early hours of Monday morning local time.

Bin Laden's compound was close to a military garrison and was only around 40 miles from the capital Islamabad.

Photographs issued by the White House show the president and other members of his team looking tense as they watch live video of the mission as it happened.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is shown with a particularly anxious expression, with both her hands clasped over her mouth.

US chief counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan was also among those viewing the footage.

Osama Bin Laden Dies: President Obama And Hillary Clinton Watch Operation That Killed Al Qaeda Chief | World News | Sky News

I agree and thought the same thing myself. I think he now knows how proud one can be when they show courage and do the "hard thing." I think he even feels more empowered, which really is a scary thought. As far as his words go.....nah...he didn't mean them; rather just taking an opportunity to get back on the re-election campaign track. I hope I am wrong.

 

[JimH52]

He started this nation on a path of spending never seen before. Couple that with the insane tax cuts during two wars, and you have a financial crisis looming. I don't think Bin Laden was smart enough to see that coming, but we certainly aided his desire to damage the economy of the US. It has been the perfect storm, in a manner of speaking. Unless we address the crisis soon, Bin Laden may have, at the very least, some form of victory.

Running in the red: How the U.S., on the road to surplus, detoured to massive debt - The Washington Post

 

[rdean]

It wasn't Bin Laden. It was the Republicans.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What’s strange is anyone believing Obama didn’t respect the military before 5/1; as well as knowing the value of courage and doing the ‘hard thing.’

 

[Annie]

I think you are projecting. Obama I'm certain is happy with the outcome. Proud of the military? Proud of America? I doubt it.

 

[JimH52]

It wasn't Bin Laden. It was the Republicans.

You read that too, huh?

 

[Steelplate]

The "spending crisis" is mostly bullshit.... I'm sorry, but it all has to do with the most powerful and wealthy of our country scrambling to keep the status quo.

If ANY of you guys are in fear of the United States falling into the same state as Greece or Ireland, you are woefully ill informed. We have the capital to do the things we need to do to make every American life pretty damned comfortable(even by our own standards) and still put other countries to shame.

To think that we are headed down this one-way street towards ruination is utterly ridiculous.. much like the "George Bush arranged 9/11 to happen" crowd. The problem is... there's a hell of a lot more of the "Socialist paranoid" people out there than there were/are the "GWB blew up the twin towers so we could go into Iraq" folks out there.

Both are equally crazy, only one has/had any real political significance.

 

[Valerie]

Cheaters never win.

 

[Mad Scientist]

"Bin Laden Killing Was "Joint U.S.-Pakistani Operation"
Bin Laden killing was joint U.S.-Pakistani operation | Top News | Reuters

An operation to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden was run jointly by Pakistan and the United States, Pakistani sources said on Monday, belying perceptions of a rift in relations between the two countries' spy agencies.
"Without our involvement, this operation would not have succeeded," one Pakistani official source said.
"Was it possible without our help? No," another Pakistani security official said. "It was a joint intelligence operation."

I don't know how much of that I can believe.

 

[edthecynic]

Of course this operation was created by George W. Bush.

The current "Imbecile-In-Chief" wouldn't know which end of the tube the round comes out of if handed a rifle.

This operation, and the intell leading to it, was done without Obama's influence. Someone came to him, laid the damn ops plan on his desk, and said "Mr. President, we got him, he's here, if you order it, we'll go kill him. Just give the order."

Obama's role in this event was basically limited to saying "Ok."

Agreed! However, this president with pacifists tendency, DID give this risky operation the OK! And for that, he has to be respected. He actually went out on the proverbial limb and did something the HARD ASS way!!! He took a risk, and it paid off. He also did this a few years ago with the Somalian pirates, I think I remember, and he gave the OK to plug them between the eyes and that was a WIN! The captain was set free.

This whole Intel thing to get Usama was put into operation 8 years ago, in 2003, when Bush organized the military and Intelligence Ops by making UBL a target and in 2007there was even more information on UBL and then in 2009, then 2010 and last night all efforts came together for the WIN! If Obama had not elected to send ground troops in by helicopter, UBL would still be on the run holding a woman in front of his cowardly ass!

BALONEY!
By March 2002 Bush had already forgotten about OBL. His only concern from that point on was revenge against Saddam.

President Bush Holds Press Conference
March 13, 2002
Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore.