How well prepared are you for an EMP attack?

[harmonica]

......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

 

[Mr Natural]

My Princeton Reverb will be fine.

 

[Magnificat]

A nuclear device detonated miles above the country would knock out land lines, cell phones, controls that monitor our infrastructure such as fresh water and sewage. There would be no power, no security, no communications and the effects of this would be amplified for people living in the major cities such as New York and Los Angeles.
Consider that there would be no fresh water, no food trucked into your grocery stores which are only minimally stocked as it is. Within just a few days, the threat of cholera would begin as well as other water born illnesses.
You would only have a few days to get out of the city before law and order completely broke down, people looking to steal whatever they could to survive.
It's a little thing that government officials never talk about, though you all know... Senators and Congress folks have a safe bunker waiting for them and their families. How well prepared are we in this type of event? probably not good enough! just food for thought.


US would be crippled by an EMP attack, which we pioneered nearly 60 years ago

The scenario you posted is going to happen. Not necessarily from nuclear attack. In the with century, there was a massive solar flare that knocked out telegraphs around the world. Scientists agree that we are overdue for another such event. Causality estimates for such an event would be around op percent. Those in rural areas might be less assuming the city fold don't invade the suburbs. Good luck with that. It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when. If you do not have the equipment and supplies needed to survive in a wilderness environment, you will die. Three things you will need. Food, water and shelter.

 

[SandSquid]

Not the best prepared but not the worst by any means. I live on the outskirts of a small town (4000 people) an hour from any larger cities. Don't have a big supply nest, but have plenty of water treatment tablets and filters in my camper parked beside my house, and a river about a quarter mile away. A forest full of deer, squirrel, racoons, etc right behind me. I don't keep a "disaster food" rations, but usually am pretty stocked on canned foods.

 

[HenryBHough]

A nuclear device detonated miles above the country would knock out land lines, cell phones, controls that monitor our infrastructure such as fresh water and sewage. There would be no power, no security, no communications and the effects of this would be amplified for people living in the major cities such as New York and Los Angeles.
Consider that there would be no fresh water, no food trucked into your grocery stores which are only minimally stocked as it is. Within just a few days, the threat of cholera would begin as well as other water born illnesses.
You would only have a few days to get out of the city before law and order completely broke down, people looking to steal whatever they could to survive.
It's a little thing that government officials never talk about, though you all know... Senators and Congress folks have a safe bunker waiting for them and their families. How well prepared are we in this type of event? probably not good enough! just food for thought.


US would be crippled by an EMP attack, which we pioneered nearly 60 years ago

So where's the downside?

 

[Yarddog]

......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Not the best prepared but not the worst by any means. I live on the outskirts of a small town (4000 people) an hour from any larger cities. Don't have a big supply nest, but have plenty of water treatment tablets and filters in my camper parked beside my house, and a river about a quarter mile away. A forest full of deer, squirrel, racoons, etc right behind me. I don't keep a "disaster food" rations, but usually am pretty stocked on canned foods.

No cheese wiz?


.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Meh...
I'm good for six months of grub at least and well over a year of water.

 

[Pilot1]

I have been saving a German 88mm cannon in the basement for just this reason.

 

[SandSquid]

......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

I believe that transportation is a big problem.

EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com

Kinda goes into it and basically says we don't really know the impact, but if an EMP was able to wipe out anything but hardened vehicles or vehicles in hardened locations, that would really ruin one of the US's best strengths (our interstate and highway system).

Just a guess, but cities would be really screwed and that would expand outwards quickly. You'd have millions of desperate people on the move out from them searching for food. And then you'd possibly have millions more than the land can provide for, hundreds of miles from the food belt of America.

Like I said earlier... I'd consider myself a bit better off than most. I live away from most population. Have a few pedal dirt bikes with a little tow behind carrier, in good shape, plenty of guns and a decent amount of ammo, water and a way to clean it and can hunt and fish and could live out of my cupboards for a couple weeks easy.

Unless you are living in middle of nowhere... talking north dakota/montana, I think you could be in big trouble. Even where I live.. If you think about it, I'm a 5 day walk from a metropolis of about 3.5 million people. Honestly going west into the Dakota's on day 1 might be my best chance for survival to keep a week ahead of them. Because even if only half that group decides to hit the road looking for food, that's not something I can defend from, or keep my resources from.

 

[SandSquid]

Not the best prepared but not the worst by any means. I live on the outskirts of a small town (4000 people) an hour from any larger cities. Don't have a big supply nest, but have plenty of water treatment tablets and filters in my camper parked beside my house, and a river about a quarter mile away. A forest full of deer, squirrel, racoons, etc right behind me. I don't keep a "disaster food" rations, but usually am pretty stocked on canned foods.

No cheese wiz?


.

lol. Actually I don't now, but I do bring it at times on camping trips. But that would be a time when those overprocessed foods would become more viable. Not like the lettuce trucks will be running. I think even in the food growing area's that would be difficult as there isn't a lot of variance. Sure you may live in the middle of 80 acres of corn in nebraska, but fruits (scurvy) and a balanced diet would still be hard to come by.

 

[Yarddog]

......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

I believe that transportation is a big problem.

EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com

Kinda goes into it and basically says we don't really know the impact, but if an EMP was able to wipe out anything but hardened vehicles or vehicles in hardened locations, that would really ruin one of the US's best strengths (our interstate and highway system).

Just a guess, but cities would be really screwed and that would expand outwards quickly. You'd have millions of desperate people on the move out from them searching for food. And then you'd possibly have millions more than the land can provide for, hundreds of miles from the food belt of America.

Like I said earlier... I'd consider myself a bit better off than most. I live away from most population. Have a few pedal dirt bikes with a little tow behind carrier, in good shape, plenty of guns and a decent amount of ammo, water and a way to clean it and can hunt and fish and could live out of my cupboards for a couple weeks easy.

Unless you are living in middle of nowhere... talking north dakota/montana, I think you could be in big trouble. Even where I live.. If you think about it, I'm a 5 day walk from a metropolis of about 3.5 million people. Honestly going west into the Dakota's on day 1 might be my best chance for survival to keep a week ahead of them. Because even if only half that group decides to hit the road looking for food, that's not something I can defend from, or keep my resources from.

yeah, I think your right in that people coming from the city would be desperate enough to just take whatever you have and you would just have to stand aside and let them or be prepared to fight.
In that event, your probably one of the lucky ones, I think it would end up in something like a 'Mad Max' scenario with roving gangs in some cases. People on the coast lucky enough to own a boat in a berth might be ok as well if they moved quickly enough. Just stock water and go on an extended fishing trip .

 

[Wyatt earp]

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......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

I believe that transportation is a big problem.

EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com

Kinda goes into it and basically says we don't really know the impact, but if an EMP was able to wipe out anything but hardened vehicles or vehicles in hardened locations, that would really ruin one of the US's best strengths (our interstate and highway system).

Just a guess, but cities would be really screwed and that would expand outwards quickly. You'd have millions of desperate people on the move out from them searching for food. And then you'd possibly have millions more than the land can provide for, hundreds of miles from the food belt of America.

Like I said earlier... I'd consider myself a bit better off than most. I live away from most population. Have a few pedal dirt bikes with a little tow behind carrier, in good shape, plenty of guns and a decent amount of ammo, water and a way to clean it and can hunt and fish and could live out of my cupboards for a couple weeks easy.

Unless you are living in middle of nowhere... talking north dakota/montana, I think you could be in big trouble. Even where I live.. If you think about it, I'm a 5 day walk from a metropolis of about 3.5 million people. Honestly going west into the Dakota's on day 1 might be my best chance for survival to keep a week ahead of them. Because even if only half that group decides to hit the road looking for food, that's not something I can defend from, or keep my resources from.

yeah, I think your right in that people coming from the city would be desperate enough to just take whatever you have and you would just have to stand aside and let them or be prepared to fight.
In that event, your probably one of the lucky ones, I think it would end up in something like a 'Mad Max' scenario with roving gangs in some cases. People on the coast lucky enough to own a boat in a berth might be ok as well if they moved quickly enough. Just stock water and go on an extended fishing trip .

The same people who don't have enough brains to riot and loot in the rich part of town, those people?

.

 

[SandSquid]

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......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

I believe that transportation is a big problem.

EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com

Kinda goes into it and basically says we don't really know the impact, but if an EMP was able to wipe out anything but hardened vehicles or vehicles in hardened locations, that would really ruin one of the US's best strengths (our interstate and highway system).

Just a guess, but cities would be really screwed and that would expand outwards quickly. You'd have millions of desperate people on the move out from them searching for food. And then you'd possibly have millions more than the land can provide for, hundreds of miles from the food belt of America.

Like I said earlier... I'd consider myself a bit better off than most. I live away from most population. Have a few pedal dirt bikes with a little tow behind carrier, in good shape, plenty of guns and a decent amount of ammo, water and a way to clean it and can hunt and fish and could live out of my cupboards for a couple weeks easy.

Unless you are living in middle of nowhere... talking north dakota/montana, I think you could be in big trouble. Even where I live.. If you think about it, I'm a 5 day walk from a metropolis of about 3.5 million people. Honestly going west into the Dakota's on day 1 might be my best chance for survival to keep a week ahead of them. Because even if only half that group decides to hit the road looking for food, that's not something I can defend from, or keep my resources from.

yeah, I think your right in that people coming from the city would be desperate enough to just take whatever you have and you would just have to stand aside and let them or be prepared to fight.
In that event, your probably one of the lucky ones, I think it would end up in something like a 'Mad Max' scenario with roving gangs in some cases. People on the coast lucky enough to own a boat in a berth might be ok as well if they moved quickly enough. Just stock water and go on an extended fishing trip .

The same people who don't have enough brains to riot and loot in the rich part of town, those people?

.

Can't eat money. They don't grow food in cities, they ship it in. Not sure what your meaning is there, but being better off financially doesn't mean if civilization as we know it ended, they'd be better off. Now if your point is that being poor=being dumb. Well kindly fuck off.

 

[SandSquid]

......once they get out of the city, then what? won't they have the same problems once the evil city dwellers get to the rural areas?
....for your hypothesis to work, it would mean ALL water plants are shut down--everything ALL OVER--......
..if it is that bad, you won't be able to prepare at all
..so it is a major attack to all major cities.......? all over the USA?
why no food trucked in if only the cities are attacked?
etc

I'm not an expert on the extent of what a single EMP blast would be, but as I understand it, it has a very lasting effect. Maybe there are some military people here who know a lot more about that and could enlighten us more. As for dams, water plants and supply controls, I think its all electronic these days so I believe the effects there would be pretty devastating in the large population centers where there are millions of people who would at some point be trying to get out or begin preying on each other and even worse, begin spreading illnesses. Maybe it wouldnt be so bad in rural areas and I really dont know what would happen when city dwellers begin to arrive there... who knows?
But, I think it is a good idea to at least be aware of this possibility... have some extra food, water, weapons perhaps, medical supplies and extra cooking fuel around.
The national guard probably would be able to truck in some food perhaps, but after a while the highways also might be clogged with vehicles that ran out of gas, and would commercial trucking companies be able to bring in food without communications or dispatchers? I think except for very limited areas there would be no one in charge of relief efforts and it would be everyone for themselves. Of course, lets hope something like this would never happen and lets hope maybe the government does have some sort of plan in place to lessen the effects of EMP.
I only brought this up because I was having a conversation with a family member who is in the reserve and he was spelling out this doomsday scenario to me that sounded pretty bleak.

I believe that transportation is a big problem.

EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com

Kinda goes into it and basically says we don't really know the impact, but if an EMP was able to wipe out anything but hardened vehicles or vehicles in hardened locations, that would really ruin one of the US's best strengths (our interstate and highway system).

Just a guess, but cities would be really screwed and that would expand outwards quickly. You'd have millions of desperate people on the move out from them searching for food. And then you'd possibly have millions more than the land can provide for, hundreds of miles from the food belt of America.

Like I said earlier... I'd consider myself a bit better off than most. I live away from most population. Have a few pedal dirt bikes with a little tow behind carrier, in good shape, plenty of guns and a decent amount of ammo, water and a way to clean it and can hunt and fish and could live out of my cupboards for a couple weeks easy.

Unless you are living in middle of nowhere... talking north dakota/montana, I think you could be in big trouble. Even where I live.. If you think about it, I'm a 5 day walk from a metropolis of about 3.5 million people. Honestly going west into the Dakota's on day 1 might be my best chance for survival to keep a week ahead of them. Because even if only half that group decides to hit the road looking for food, that's not something I can defend from, or keep my resources from.

yeah, I think your right in that people coming from the city would be desperate enough to just take whatever you have and you would just have to stand aside and let them or be prepared to fight.
In that event, your probably one of the lucky ones, I think it would end up in something like a 'Mad Max' scenario with roving gangs in some cases. People on the coast lucky enough to own a boat in a berth might be ok as well if they moved quickly enough. Just stock water and go on an extended fishing trip .

Well it could, but I think it would all depend on the situation. If it was just a section of the US which fell into darkness, sure it would be devastating to the US, but 40 million Chinese died in a famine 60 years ago, and it didn't ruin the world. Sooner or later help would arrive for the survivors and life would move on.

But yeah as good as I'd feel where I am right now, that could change pretty quickly in a situation like that. Thousands of people desperate for food wouldn't be something I could hold out against.

 

[Blues Man]

If the power goes I'll be just fine

I have a couple acoustic guitars, an acoustic bass and a case of harmonicas in different keys

I don't need electricity to keep playing

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I love my technology, but could live and thrive without it.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm bug out ready. Guns and ammo. A purifier to last at least 2 months. I'm close to a few rivers and plenty of wildlife. My folks are 7 miles away and are very prepared.

 

[rightwinger]

I have stocked up on cans of beer

After the power grid is whiped out and banks and ATMs are out of service, canned beer will become the currency of choice

 

[Yarddog]

I have stocked up on cans of beer

After the power grid is whiped out and banks and ATMs are out of service, canned beer will become the currency of choice

That and toilet paper