How to Fix the Phony Budget Crisis

[Midnight Marauder]

You want the government to redistribute the wealth more "fairly." You want "social justice."

Never mind that you're supporting a whole welfare society, that's entitled to others wealth without earning a dime of it, and never mind that after all the fraud and waste within the government, you still won't solve the problem OR meet your desired goal.

You wish only to see the equal distribution of misery, not success. And want to see the government get bigger, and bigger, more intrusive and more powerful.

 

[Immanuel]

You want the government to redistribute the wealth more "fairly." You want "social justice."

Never mind that you're supporting a whole welfare society, that's entitled to others wealth without earning a dime of it, and never mind that after all the fraud and waste within the government, you still won't solve the problem OR meet your desired goal.

You wish only to see the equal distribution of misery, not success. And want to see the government get bigger, and bigger, more intrusive and more powerful.

No, what I would prefer is that government cut spending, but the likelihood of that ever happening is comparable to mankind stepping on Alpha Centauri before I reach the age of 50. That would be about two and a half months from now.

Immie

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You want the government to redistribute the wealth more "fairly." You want "social justice."

Never mind that you're supporting a whole welfare society, that's entitled to others wealth without earning a dime of it, and never mind that after all the fraud and waste within the government, you still won't solve the problem OR meet your desired goal.

You wish only to see the equal distribution of misery, not success. And want to see the government get bigger, and bigger, more intrusive and more powerful.

No, what I would prefer is that government cut spending, but the likelihood of that ever happening is comparable to mankind stepping on Alpha Centauri before I reach the age of 50. That would be about two and a half months from now.

Immie

You're only a few months ahead of me then!

And yeah, I was addressing the OP, not you. I should have made that more clear. To him, cutting spending is anathema. "Must.... Have..... MOAR.... Revenue... by.... confiscating.... wealth" is all he knows.

 

[Immanuel]

You want the government to redistribute the wealth more "fairly." You want "social justice."

Never mind that you're supporting a whole welfare society, that's entitled to others wealth without earning a dime of it, and never mind that after all the fraud and waste within the government, you still won't solve the problem OR meet your desired goal.

You wish only to see the equal distribution of misery, not success. And want to see the government get bigger, and bigger, more intrusive and more powerful.

No, what I would prefer is that government cut spending, but the likelihood of that ever happening is comparable to mankind stepping on Alpha Centauri before I reach the age of 50. That would be about two and a half months from now.

Immie

You're only a few months ahead of me then!

And yeah, I was addressing the OP, not you. I should have made that more clear. To him, cutting spending is anathema. "Must.... Have..... MOAR.... Revenue... by.... confiscating.... wealth" is all he knows.

I wasn't sure who you were addressing. I posted just before you and didn't think you were talking to me, but you never know.

We could tax 100% of every dollar earned in the USA and it wouldn't make a doggone bit of difference because Congress would spend 110% of that.

Immie

 

[shintao]

Can you say Norway?

How about Wealth Tax??

"Times are tough. Someone has to pay. Why not start with those who can most afford it?...

"In Norway, for example, you pay one percent of your net worth in addition to income tax.

"What if we imposed a Norwegian-style wealth tax on the top one percent of U.S. households?

"We’re not talking upper middle class here: the poorest among them is worth a mere $8.3 million.

"This top one percent owns 35 percent of all wealth in the United States.

“'Such a wealth tax…would raise $191.1 billion each year (one percent of $19.1 trillion), a significant attack on the deficit,' Leon Friedman writes in The Nation. 'If we extended the tax to the top 5 percent, we could raise $338.5 billion a year (one percent of 62 percent of $54.6 trillion).'”

Tell the rich to pay up or pack up.

I really agree with Retards, if you can't afford the programs, shut them down. Where we disagree is over what programs to shut down, and what is the fair way to tax Americans.

Rules:
1.Don't spend more than you have.
2.Tax equally for everybody (not a %, a value).
3.No tax on corporations.
4.No regulations on corporations.
5.No limit on lawsuits.

And there are ways to use government to raise funding, such as National Oil.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

No, what I would prefer is that government cut spending, but the likelihood of that ever happening is comparable to mankind stepping on Alpha Centauri before I reach the age of 50. That would be about two and a half months from now.

Immie

You're only a few months ahead of me then!

And yeah, I was addressing the OP, not you. I should have made that more clear. To him, cutting spending is anathema. "Must.... Have..... MOAR.... Revenue... by.... confiscating.... wealth" is all he knows.

I wasn't sure who you were addressing. I posted just before you and didn't think you were talking to me, but you never know.

We could tax 100% of every dollar earned in the USA and it wouldn't make a doggone bit of difference because Congress would spend 110% of that.

Immie

There was a time where that wasn't true. We had neat things like Gramm-Rudmann and line-item veto. And a PAYGO with some actual teeth. This was called the "Bill Clinton's Surplus" era.

But, the courts struck down G-R and line-item veto around 1999-ish, and the wild spending binge was off to the races again!

 

[Immanuel]

You're only a few months ahead of me then!

And yeah, I was addressing the OP, not you. I should have made that more clear. To him, cutting spending is anathema. "Must.... Have..... MOAR.... Revenue... by.... confiscating.... wealth" is all he knows.

I wasn't sure who you were addressing. I posted just before you and didn't think you were talking to me, but you never know.

We could tax 100% of every dollar earned in the USA and it wouldn't make a doggone bit of difference because Congress would spend 110% of that.

Immie

There was a time where that wasn't true. We had neat things like Gramm-Rudmann and line-item veto. And a PAYGO with some actual teeth. This was called the "Bill Clinton's Surplus" era.

But, the courts struck down G-R and line-item veto around 1999-ish, and the wild spending binge was off to the races again!

And it was all the Dems fault too!!!

Hey, now I am starting to sound like the kind of people that I was bitching about a few posts ago.

Immie

 

[Big Fitz]

In stead of punishing people who actually earn money how about punishing those that actively work to destroy the US Dollars' value?

Let's start with the Federal Reserve.

ok, next on the list, George Soros

Sounds good to me.

How do you feel about Poppy Bush?

You realize that if you wipe out Soros's cash Moveon.org, the Tides Foundation, Organizing For America and dozens of other political agitation groups will be done for?

However will you survive with nobody footing your tab anymore?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I wasn't sure who you were addressing. I posted just before you and didn't think you were talking to me, but you never know.

We could tax 100% of every dollar earned in the USA and it wouldn't make a doggone bit of difference because Congress would spend 110% of that.

Immie

There was a time where that wasn't true. We had neat things like Gramm-Rudmann and line-item veto. And a PAYGO with some actual teeth. This was called the "Bill Clinton's Surplus" era.

But, the courts struck down G-R and line-item veto around 1999-ish, and the wild spending binge was off to the races again!

And it was all the Dems fault too!!!

Hey, now I am starting to sound like the kind of people that I was bitching about a few posts ago.

Immie

Actually, we can thank Rudy Giuliani for the court challenge of G-R. But it WAS a liberal majority at the time in the SCOTUS, who struck down the law along partisan lines.

So, team effort. And no one's made a move to bring any of it back, or fix it so it will pass SCOTUS muster.

Imagine that!

 

[onecut39]

In stead of punishing people who actually earn money how about punishing those that actively work to destroy the US Dollars' value?

Let's start with the Federal Reserve.

ok, next on the list, George Soros

*************

Soros has repeatedly said he has no objection to it. As have many, many other multi millionairs.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

In stead of punishing people who actually earn money how about punishing those that actively work to destroy the US Dollars' value?

Let's start with the Federal Reserve.

ok, next on the list, George Soros

*************

Soros has repeatedly said he has no objection to it. As have many, many other multi millionairs.

They need to send their fucking money IN then!

Think of the positive PR if they set up a site showing their extra contributions, and with a portal to let other rich folks pony up as well!

LEAVE MY WEALTH ALONE, however. Do with yours as you wish.

 

[onecut39]

Fix the budget? Easy.

Put taxes back to where they were in 1995. (a very good year)

Cut the defense budget in half. (Then we would be spending no more than the rest of the world combined).

Remove the cap on social Security tax.

Presto!! 95% of your fiscal problems are solved.

 

[Big Fitz]

Fix the budget? Easy.

Put taxes back to where they were in 1995. (a very good year)

Cut the defense budget in half. (Then we would be spending no more than the rest of the world combined).

Remove the cap on social Security tax.

Presto!! 95% of your fiscal problems are solved.

Can we cut social spending back to 1995 levels as well? Or how about end all new programs and departments implemented after 2000? Has there been any really out there that we needed or living up to expectation? I really can't think of one.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Fix the budget? Easy.

Put taxes back to where they were in 1995. (a very good year)

A year that had Gramm-Rudmann and line-item veto in full effect. These are what is called "spending controls" and without them, you can raise taxes all you want and never solve the debt problem.

See?

BECAUSE NOTHING STOPS THEM FROM JUST SPENDING MORE IF YOU GIVE THEM MORE!

 

[MikeK]

In stead of punishing people who actually earn money how about punishing those that actively work to destroy the US Dollars' value?

Earn? You need to give the concept of earning a bit more thought. Unless your idea of "earning" squares squares with that of Tony Soprano & Co.

Let's start with the Federal Reserve.[/QUOTE]
We can do that, too. But I believe George Philip's suggestion should have priority.

 

[MarcATL]

Trickle Down = Gush Up!

 

[kaz]

Can you say Norway?

How about Wealth Tax??

"Times are tough. Someone has to pay. Why not start with those who can most afford it?...

"In Norway, for example, you pay one percent of your net worth in addition to income tax.

"What if we imposed a Norwegian-style wealth tax on the top one percent of U.S. households?

"We’re not talking upper middle class here: the poorest among them is worth a mere $8.3 million.

"This top one percent owns 35 percent of all wealth in the United States.

“'Such a wealth tax…would raise $191.1 billion each year (one percent of $19.1 trillion), a significant attack on the deficit,' Leon Friedman writes in The Nation. 'If we extended the tax to the top 5 percent, we could raise $338.5 billion a year (one percent of 62 percent of $54.6 trillion).'”

Tell the rich to pay up or pack up.

You left your penis in your other pants this morning. A man says what can "I" do. You say who can I blame and pass the buck to...

 

[MikeK]

If a more "hands on" kinda thug beats you like a rented mule and successfully transfers all your money and valuables into his pockets, do you want him punished?

Whom do you believe wishes to transfer "all" of anyone's money and valuables into his pockets? Please be specific about the individuals or categorical groups you're referencing.

Or are you a "bleeding heart" liberal? That's essentially what you're proposing, buttnozzle. Confiscation of wealth, just because they have wealth.

There is wealth and there is excessive wealth. Those of us who incline toward socialist controls over the Nation's material resources have no problem with wealth. But the kind of greed that fosters excessive wealth is the poison that is slowly killing all that is and was good about America.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

MikeK, you have me mis-quoted in your post.

 

[asterism]

Can you say Norway?

How about Wealth Tax??

"Times are tough. Someone has to pay. Why not start with those who can most afford it?...

"In Norway, for example, you pay one percent of your net worth in addition to income tax.

"What if we imposed a Norwegian-style wealth tax on the top one percent of U.S. households?

"We’re not talking upper middle class here: the poorest among them is worth a mere $8.3 million.

"This top one percent owns 35 percent of all wealth in the United States.

“'Such a wealth tax…would raise $191.1 billion each year (one percent of $19.1 trillion), a significant attack on the deficit,' Leon Friedman writes in The Nation. 'If we extended the tax to the top 5 percent, we could raise $338.5 billion a year (one percent of 62 percent of $54.6 trillion).'”

Tell the rich to pay up or pack up.

Those are the terms?

I'd rather have an incentive for them to stay. After all, they do pay most of the taxes around here.