How Pelosi Got The Votes

[Ravi]

So, here we are. Pelosi got the votes to pass ObamaCare. Some time ago, I started asking around - because I was curious, and because I can - about how those votes were being 'achieved'.

Here is stuff I know, that I haven't seen in the media. Now, I appreciate that the rabids will scream for links but I don't link to the media to back up facts - cuz I know the media and the media and facts are not comfortable bedfellows. Truthfully, I don't care whether people believe me or not, but wait and watch.

The vote count was 219 yes. They needed 216. Where did those few extra votes come from? Well, maybe from here....

In the San Joaquin Valley of California, the Federal Government turned off the water to the farmland - America's breadbasket - to 'save' the smelt fish. Remember that?The farmers vs the fish? The fish won, the farmers lost and the valley is dying. 40% unemployment and huge drops in food production. Well, guess who voted 'yes' - against his better judgement? Congressman Devon Nunes. Guess what happened then? The Federal Government turned the water up by 20% instead of the 5% they had previously stated. 2 votes bought and paid for.

The Immigration issue is the other one. Obama promised the amnesty in return for healthcare votes. I commented on this a few days ago. Look at the timing of the Amnesty march in DC. 2 votes bought - IOU by Obama.

Now, I know, as most reasonable people know, that this is nothing new. It is 'politics as usual'. But.... given that Obama said he was going to clean up Washington, and that his Presidency would be open and transparent, with no special interests, no lobbyists, no back room deals etc.....

Putting the healthcare thing to one side.... and trying to leave the partisanship at the door..... My questions are:

Is it not time that that our congressmen voted in accordance with the view of their district? Is it not time that we said it is no longer acceptable to blackmail, force, bribe or cajole votes from congressmen who were elected by us to serve us?

I am tired of the 'we've always done it this way', 'you're just pissed cuz you lost' and the constant shit from both sides. I just think we as Americans deserve better. I guess I'm still young enough to be idealistic along with my usual cynicism.

I'm a writer so I have top secret access to things you normal assholes don't. Therefore I don't have to link any of my conspiracy theories.

btw, Nunes didn't vote for the bill.

This thread belongs in another forum.

 

[California Girl]

So, here we are. Pelosi got the votes to pass ObamaCare. Some time ago, I started asking around - because I was curious, and because I can - about how those votes were being 'achieved'.

Here is stuff I know, that I haven't seen in the media. Now, I appreciate that the rabids will scream for links but I don't link to the media to back up facts - cuz I know the media and the media and facts are not comfortable bedfellows. Truthfully, I don't care whether people believe me or not, but wait and watch.

The vote count was 219 yes. They needed 216. Where did those few extra votes come from? Well, maybe from here....

In the San Joaquin Valley of California, the Federal Government turned off the water to the farmland - America's breadbasket - to 'save' the smelt fish. Remember that?The farmers vs the fish? The fish won, the farmers lost and the valley is dying. 40% unemployment and huge drops in food production. Well, guess who voted 'yes' - against his better judgement? Congressman Devon Nunes. Guess what happened then? The Federal Government turned the water up by 20% instead of the 5% they had previously stated. 2 votes bought and paid for.

The Immigration issue is the other one. Obama promised the amnesty in return for healthcare votes. I commented on this a few days ago. Look at the timing of the Amnesty march in DC. 2 votes bought - IOU by Obama.

Now, I know, as most reasonable people know, that this is nothing new. It is 'politics as usual'. But.... given that Obama said he was going to clean up Washington, and that his Presidency would be open and transparent, with no special interests, no lobbyists, no back room deals etc.....

Putting the healthcare thing to one side.... and trying to leave the partisanship at the door..... My questions are:

Is it not time that that our congressmen voted in accordance with the view of their district? Is it not time that we said it is no longer acceptable to blackmail, force, bribe or cajole votes from congressmen who were elected by us to serve us?

I am tired of the 'we've always done it this way', 'you're just pissed cuz you lost' and the constant shit from both sides. I just think we as Americans deserve better. I guess I'm still young enough to be idealistic along with my usual cynicism.

I'm a writer so I have top secret access to things you normal assholes don't. Therefore I don't have to link any of my conspiracy theories.

btw, Nunes didn't vote for the bill.

This thread belongs in another forum.

Did you duck or was the point just too high for you?

I didn't call anyone an asshole, nor did I claim the information is top secret. It just isn't in the public domain. That you cannot tell the difference surprises me. I didn't think you were stupid. Goes to show that I can be wrong sometimes.

 

[Lost Soul]

Real Americans, its time to pick up a weapon and take our country back from these anti American socialists called democrats in DC.

 

[Xenophon]

I'll say the same thing i said when Obama won the election:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[mudwhistle]

So, here we are. Pelosi got the votes to pass ObamaCare. Some time ago, I started asking around - because I was curious, and because I can - about how those votes were being 'achieved'.

Here is stuff I know, that I haven't seen in the media. Now, I appreciate that the rabids will scream for links but I don't link to the media to back up facts - cuz I know the media and the media and facts are not comfortable bedfellows. Truthfully, I don't care whether people believe me or not, but wait and watch.

The vote count was 219 yes. They needed 216. Where did those few extra votes come from? Well, maybe from here....

In the San Joaquin Valley of California, the Federal Government turned off the water to the farmland - America's breadbasket - to 'save' the smelt fish. Remember that?The farmers vs the fish? The fish won, the farmers lost and the valley is dying. 40% unemployment and huge drops in food production. Well, guess who voted 'yes' - against his better judgement? Congressman Devon Nunes. Guess what happened then? The Federal Government turned the water up by 20% instead of the 5% they had previously stated. 2 votes bought and paid for.

The Immigration issue is the other one. Obama promised the amnesty in return for healthcare votes. I commented on this a few days ago. Look at the timing of the Amnesty march in DC. 2 votes bought - IOU by Obama.

Now, I know, as most reasonable people know, that this is nothing new. It is 'politics as usual'. But.... given that Obama said he was going to clean up Washington, and that his Presidency would be open and transparent, with no special interests, no lobbyists, no back room deals etc.....

Putting the healthcare thing to one side.... and trying to leave the partisanship at the door..... My questions are:

Is it not time that that our congressmen voted in accordance with the view of their district? Is it not time that we said it is no longer acceptable to blackmail, force, bribe or cajole votes from congressmen who were elected by us to serve us?

I am tired of the 'we've always done it this way', 'you're just pissed cuz you lost' and the constant shit from both sides. I just think we as Americans deserve better. I guess I'm still young enough to be idealistic along with my usual cynicism.

I'm a writer so I have top secret access to things you normal assholes don't. Therefore I don't have to link any of my conspiracy theories.

btw, Nunes didn't vote for the bill.

This thread belongs in another forum.

Since when was that up to you?

I'm just asking.

I suppose you want to put her thread in the conspiratorial section.

Where have I seen this before.


Go ahead bitch....neg rep me.

 

[WillowTree]

While I, as an individual, will not vote for anyone who voted 'yes' to the bill, I am not really talking about the healthcare bill. I am talking about honesty and openness in politics. I just think it is time that we demanded that the people elected to represent us do so honestly. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be representing us.

This is not about democrats or republicans, left or right, it's about quality. I think we deserve better than corruption, blackmail, backroom deals, bribery or any underhand tactic.

Compromise is critical to representative democracy. Without compromise, nothing would be done. Is that your goal? An impotent government?

No, that is not my goal. And nothing I've written states that I am against compromise. I am against the federal government blackmailing our representatives to get votes. I am against the federal government promising special interest groups something in return for their support. That is not compromise, Joe, it is corruption.

totalatarianism, we have a totatatiarn regime, they knew that the majority of the people were against this bill and they rammed it through anyway, they viturally took over 16 of the economy.

 

[Ravi]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

 

[California Girl]

I'll say the same thing i said when Obama won the election:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Well, the POTUS isn't my boss, but I get the point.

I wonder if/when 'We, the People' will actually grasp the concept that they work for us? Obama ain't the boss. Bush wasn't the boss. We are the boss. Should we not fire employees who steal from us?

 

[WillowTree]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

what? didn't the one with her pranncing "protected" into the house holding her ginormous gavel make you sick enough?

 

[California Girl]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

Not by me. But your attempt to deflect from your own idiocy is noted.

 

[Ravi]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

Not by me. But your attempt to deflect from your own idiocy is noted.

awwww....your conspiracy theories need work. Heck, even Terral presents a more compelling argument.

 

[California Girl]

And people ask me why I never bother debating anything on this forum.

 

[California Girl]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

Not by me. But your attempt to deflect from your own idiocy is noted.

awwww....your conspiracy theories need work. Heck, even Terral presents a more compelling argument.

Gee, Ravi, you just keep impressing me with your inabilty to grasp basic concepts, like the difference between an informed opinion and a conspiracy theory. Bless your heart. Are you just pissy because I'm smart enough to do some research, talk to congress critters and ask questions instead of forming my opinions from the media?

 

[Si modo]

I wonder if we'll be treated to those photoshopped pictures of Pelosi dressed as a dominatrix with a whip today?

Not by me. But your attempt to deflect from your own idiocy is noted.

awwww....your conspiracy theories need work. Heck, even Terral presents a more compelling argument.

Here's some info for you. I suggest you read it, unless playing the fool is your continued desire.

Op-ed

 

[mudwhistle]

I'll say the same thing i said when Obama won the election:

meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Well, the POTUS isn't my boss, but I get the point.

I wonder if/when 'We, the People' will actually grasp the concept that they work for us? Obama ain't the boss. Bush wasn't the boss. We are the boss. Should we not fire employees who steal from us?

How ironic.

In a display of unbelievable hypocrisy Obama said that the will of the people must be followed.....I fucken almost blew up when I heard him say this last night.

Why does this skinny motherfucker always say the exact opposite of what he means.

 

[Brubricker]

And people ask me why I never bother debating anything on this forum.

OK Miss Debater, how about debating the topic you started yourself?

Still waiting for you to name the corruption laws that were broken here. I asked you to tell me and you're mysteriously silent on that count. That IS the very core reason why you started this thread.....HMMMM??? The CORRUPT ways that Pelosi got the votes?? This is YOUR topic so debate it.

What laws were broken here? Name one.

 

[Ravi]

Not by me. But your attempt to deflect from your own idiocy is noted.

awwww....your conspiracy theories need work. Heck, even Terral presents a more compelling argument.

Gee, Ravi, you just keep impressing me with your inabilty to grasp basic concepts, like the difference between an informed opinion and a conspiracy theory. Bless your heart. Are you just pissy because I'm smart enough to do some research, talk to congress critters and ask questions instead of forming my opinions from the media?

Yes, that's it exactly. *sob*

 

[California Girl]

And people ask me why I never bother debating anything on this forum.

Still waiting for you to name the corruption laws that were broken here. I asked you to tell me and you're mysteriously silent on that count. That IS the very core reason why you started this thread.....HMMMM??? The CORRUPT ways that Pelosi got the votes?? This is YOUR topic so debate it.

What laws were broken here? Name one.

So as long as it's 'legal', it's ok? Is the word 'ethical' in your dictionary or did the left remove that word and no one told me?

 

[Brubricker]

And people ask me why I never bother debating anything on this forum.

Still waiting for you to name the corruption laws that were broken here. I asked you to tell me and you're mysteriously silent on that count. That IS the very core reason why you started this thread.....HMMMM??? The CORRUPT ways that Pelosi got the votes?? This is YOUR topic so debate it.

What laws were broken here? Name one.

So as long as it's 'legal', it's ok? Is the word 'ethical' in your dictionary or did the left remove that word and no one told me?

Hey, I'm playing your game here. Name something specific that was done unethically. Name something SPECIFIC. You brought the matter up after all.

 

[G.T.]

Funny, Devon Nunes didn't Vote Yes, so I guess he renegged if the water thing was a "bribe."