How Pelosi Got The Votes

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    So, here we are. Pelosi got the votes to pass ObamaCare. Some time ago, I started asking around - because I was curious, and because I can - about how those votes were being 'achieved'.

    Here is stuff I know, that I haven't seen in the media. Now, I appreciate that the rabids will scream for links but I don't link to the media to back up facts - cuz I know the media and the media and facts are not comfortable bedfellows. Truthfully, I don't care whether people believe me or not, but wait and watch.

    The vote count was 219 yes. They needed 216. Where did those few extra votes come from? Well, maybe from here....

    In the San Joaquin Valley of California, the Federal Government turned off the water to the farmland - America's breadbasket - to 'save' the smelt fish. Remember that?The farmers vs the fish? The fish won, the farmers lost and the valley is dying. 40% unemployment and huge drops in food production. Well, guess who voted 'yes' - against his better judgement? Congressman Devon Nunes. Guess what happened then? The Federal Government turned the water up by 20% instead of the 5% they had previously stated. 2 votes bought and paid for.

    The Immigration issue is the other one. Obama promised the amnesty in return for healthcare votes. I commented on this a few days ago. Look at the timing of the Amnesty march in DC. 2 votes bought - IOU by Obama.

    Now, I know, as most reasonable people know, that this is nothing new. It is 'politics as usual'. But.... given that Obama said he was going to clean up Washington, and that his Presidency would be open and transparent, with no special interests, no lobbyists, no back room deals etc.....

    Putting the healthcare thing to one side.... and trying to leave the partisanship at the door..... My questions are:

    Is it not time that that our congressmen voted in accordance with the view of their district? Is it not time that we said it is no longer acceptable to blackmail, force, bribe or cajole votes from congressmen who were elected by us to serve us?

    I am tired of the 'we've always done it this way', 'you're just pissed cuz you lost' and the constant shit from both sides. I just think we as Americans deserve better. I guess I'm still young enough to be idealistic along with my usual cynicism.
     
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    OK then, putting the healthcare thing to one side....


    How do you propose to prohibit internal party politicking while at the same time preserving the ideal of a representative democratic republic where free speech, free press and freedom of assembly are still respected? I just don't see it happening.
     
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    No one who will go on the record. As a writer, I have access to information that is not in the public domain. Hence I don't 'link', I just comment. People are welcome to make whatever they care to of anything I say. Of course, if anyone is inclined to call Congressman Nunes and ask him outright whether he voted yes for water, I suspect the answer will be 'yes'.
     
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    I thank you for responding so quickly. However, you can now see that before I saw your response I thought my own original response to be a bit too limited in nature and deleted it in favor of one I consider to be much more far-reaching. Would you be so kind as to respond to that angle?
     
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    I never said it would be easy. Nor do I pretend to have the answers. Term limits would go some way, I think, to easing the issue. But that is not enough. I think 'we, the people' have to be better at holding our politicians accountable. That includes forcing congress to be open and transparent if needs be.
     
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    are you saying that nunes voted yes on the health care bill?
     
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    Sorry. I've been up all night and I'm exhausted. I worded that totally wrong. The bribe was 20%, the cost to his district for his no vote was they don't get more water.

    However, they got two votes for their efforts in Ca. My point.... there is too much of this back room deals, threats and intimidation.
     
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    What I did find interesting was the amount of people who just wouldn't speak to me about the vote.
     
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    Also, people.... bear in mind, I contacted people before the vote. So, I suspect that, as with Stupak, if they got the votes they needed, some people were 'let off' the 'yes' vote.
     
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    Term limits will be imposed 225 days from now. The ones we vote in must vow never to confirm any political appointments for any out of work congressman that voted for this bill. As a mater of fact we should never let anyone voted out, lobby or work for government again. This is one of our biggest problems, these criminals keep getting recycled.
     
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