How much of your success was because of Government? ....

[jillian]

My husband and I have never accepted any entitlement. None, zero, zip. No unemployment; no students loans. I work for the govt. (teacher), but I earn that pay. (and then some). I also sent my own children to Catholic school and we are paying 100% of their college tuition.

The only positive effect the government may have had in our business are tax credits for energy efficient appliances. We don't get that tax break; but our customers do. So I'd probably say about ".001 %".

Emphasis added for irony.

You're acting like she's getting a welfare check or something.....

Teachers can also teach at private schools as well, you know, without the government........

what's ridiculous is thinking that getting paid by the government somehow isn't benefitting *from* the government.

 

[driveby]

Emphasis added for irony.

You're acting like she's getting a welfare check or something.....

Teachers can also teach at private schools as well, you know, without the government........

private schools have to abide by govenment standards.....

Right, "have to" and standards set by some bureaucrat, because no one would know how to teach without the all knowing government, how would anyone ever be able to teach anything without them? ...

 

[driveby]

Emphasis added for irony.

You're acting like she's getting a welfare check or something.....

Teachers can also teach at private schools as well, you know, without the government........

what's ridiculous is thinking that getting paid by the government somehow isn't benefitting *from* the government.

If government is getting valuable service for what they're paying for, they can get off their soapbox as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Charles_Main]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

That's a hard question to answer. I have taken almost no hand outs at all. I collected unemployment twice in my life, For amounts I am sure is less than the Unemployment Insurance may employers paid in.

However We all benefit from the Basic system our Government put in place. American Capitalism has created a nation where even the poor live a standard of living that is the envy of most of the world. In a way our government, by not getting to involved and letting Capitalism work, made everyone's success possible.

That is why it is troubling to see so many people ready to turn their backs on that system. American Capitalism has flaws to be sure, but nothing else can create the wealth, and growth, that is needed to provide the Standard of living we all share. Every Step Toward More Socialism is a step away from what made us the Richest nation on earth.

 

[jillian]

They were paid for by taxes from the private sector, obviously. That changes nothing though. The private sector never would have provided me with all those opportunities. The government did.

Private entities can't build roads or give loans?, since when?

I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying they didn't.

the experience ny has had with private entities is that they overbill, overcharge, and spend too much time working on projects

and don't do nearly as well as government employees who aren't paid by the hour.

and no... private concerns can't do roads b/c GOVERNMENT would have to pay them.

 

[jillian]

You're acting like she's getting a welfare check or something.....

Teachers can also teach at private schools as well, you know, without the government........

what's ridiculous is thinking that getting paid by the government somehow isn't benefitting *from* the government.

If government is getting valuable service for what they're paying for, they can get off their soapbox as far as i'm concerned.

sorry. not following.

 

[driveby]

Where would you be if there were no government?

Where would gubment be without me to fund it?......

 

[daws101]

You're acting like she's getting a welfare check or something.....

Teachers can also teach at private schools as well, you know, without the government........

private schools have to abide by govenment standards.....

Right, "have to" and standards set by some bureaucrat, because no one would know how to teach without the all knowing government, how would anyone ever be able to teach anything without them? ...

schools or standards?

 

[driveby]

what's ridiculous is thinking that getting paid by the government somehow isn't benefitting *from* the government.

If government is getting valuable service for what they're paying for, they can get off their soapbox as far as i'm concerned.

sorry. not following.

The government isn't doing huge favors for public school teachers by paying them to teach, imo...... Good teachers are offering a valuable service for what they are paid.........

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where would you be if there were no government?

Where would gubment be without me to fund it?......

Where would anything be without funding?

Let me repeat the question. Where would you be if there were no government?

 

[daws101]

Where would you be if there were no government?

Where would gubment be without me to fund it?......

oh so you're the only one who is funding it..?
where's my ssi check.
and tell those kids to get off my lawn !

 

[driveby]

Where would you be if there were no government?

Where would gubment be without me to fund it?......

Where would anything be without funding?

Let me repeat the question. Where would you be if there were no government?

On Wall Street shitting on cars and sidewalks......

 

[driveby]

Where would you be if there were no government?

Where would gubment be without me to fund it?......

oh so you're the only one who is funding it..?
where's my ssi check.
and tell those kids to get off my lawn !

There'd be no kids without the almighty government......

 

[jillian]

How do you quantify that?

Sounds like you seriously lack self-sufficency and pride of independence.

And need the teat of the bureaucrat.

really, idiot? you took my bar exam for me?

 

[jillian]

If government is getting valuable service for what they're paying for, they can get off their soapbox as far as i'm concerned.

sorry. not following.

The government isn't doing huge favors for public school teachers by paying them to teach, imo...... Good teachers are offering a valuable service for what they are paid.........

oh... i agree. which is why people like gov wilson should stop trying to stick it to them and drive away the good teachers.

 

[OODA_Loop]

How do you quantify that?

Sounds like you seriously lack self-sufficency and pride of independence.

And need the teat of the bureaucrat.

really, idiot? you took my bar exam for me?

Right like anyone in their right mind would hire a lawyer that required the intervening, equalizing hand of government assistance to make them successful.

It'd be like consulting a special ed legal team

 

[jillian]

It looks like the President is now using the same rhetoric that the fully clothed Marxist Elizabeth Warren is using, "no one made it on their own, including Steve Jobs". I'm just curious to know on a percentage basis, how much did Government have to do with your success?


I'll be generous and say maybe 15% for me, what say you?

Elizabeth Warren is not a Marxist, nor is the president. I know you're smart enough to know this.

As for how much government was responsible for my success... Well, government built the roads and streets that I went to school on. I grew up in housing specifically protected for middle class people, so had a warm, safe, affordable home to live in while my dad was becoming successful. I went to public schools, had a regents scholarship, student loans guaranteed by the federal government so I could attend a state university...after which I went to a private law school and availed myself of those same federally guaranteed student loans.

...which enabled me to get the education that enabled me to have the profession I have now and the salary I make now...

And now my son goes to public school...his middle school was title 1, so the resources were amazing...thereby enabling him tomsucceed and get into two of the best public high schools in the country

I should add that the same educational and living situation was true of my husband.

We benefit from health insurance from our jobs because of goby regulations, and will have social security and pensions (g-d willing) when we're older

How do you quantify that?

You got loans, not handouts, private entities can do loans, not just the government. Your son is using resources that you are paying for and he wouldn't be getting into said schools without his own achieved merit. Any benefits employers are forced to offer is not necessarily a good thing and i'm sure it has something to do with the lousy unemployment rate. If you have the proper skill set and they want you, you can negotiate any damn thing you want without big daddy gubment. Don't let this rhetoric diminish what you and your family have accomoplished through your own hard work.......

what we had were OPPORTUNITIES...opportunities that are being destroyed by randian policies...

i'm not big on hand-outs... i'm big on giving people a leg up. and the radical right hates anyone that gets or gives a leg up.

look at the loons on this board and the trash that spews from them... and ask yourself if those are people who believe we should all have education ... and opportunities... and a government that provides those things.

 

[Charles_Main]

sorry. not following.

The government isn't doing huge favors for public school teachers by paying them to teach, imo...... Good teachers are offering a valuable service for what they are paid.........

oh... i agree. which is why people like gov wilson should stop trying to stick it to them and drive away the good teachers.

yeah because asking them to Contribute just a little more to Their Pensions and Health care and still contribute less than Most Workers is "Sticking it to them"

lol

 

[jillian]

The government isn't doing huge favors for public school teachers by paying them to teach, imo...... Good teachers are offering a valuable service for what they are paid.........

oh... i agree. which is why people like gov wilson should stop trying to stick it to them and drive away the good teachers.

yeah because asking them to Contribute just a little more to Their Pensions and Health care and still contribute less than Most Workers is "Sticking it to them"

lol

we're not talking about them chipping in a little more.

we're talking about stealing their bargaining power.

so keep your snarky little "lol" to yourself.

it's boring.

 

[driveby]

sorry. not following.

The government isn't doing huge favors for public school teachers by paying them to teach, imo...... Good teachers are offering a valuable service for what they are paid.........

oh... i agree. which is why people like gov wilson should stop trying to stick it to them and drive away the good teachers.

Agreed, good teachers should be paid well.

All Gov. Wilson is doing is asking them to pay their fair share! ...