How Marxists got control of the Dems

[Soggy in NOLA]

CrusaderFrank, have you ever seen a Marxist? Do they look different than others?

The most amazing thing about these threads is the fact they have no connection to reality. Words come to mean whatever the poster's mind makes them to be. So we could just as easily say, 'this is how asparagus came to control the democrats.' See how easy it is to think like a right wingnut. Just make a word into whatever you like and presto all thought is abandoned. No wonder in power they fail so badly.

"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office."

"The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe

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I have seen a marxist, I just saw him again at the White House press podium pushing more of his bullshit. Alan Wolfe? Really? Humpf.

Bin Laden dead.

Gaddafi dead.

The economy, roaring back.

Name calling is all you guys have left.

Obama will be re-elected.

You're delusional.... roaring back? 2% growth? Guess what, nobody gives a fuck about Bin Laden anymore and Libya?

I can hear it now... Four more years, four more years!!!!!!

 

[occupied]

Real Marxists are practically extinct, they certainly have no control over government, education or media, capitalists on the other hand have all the money and all the power. If I were looking for a group to generally blame for the state of our country, capitalists are a good place to start. If you are searching for the culprit in a theft you generally look for someone who seems to have a bunch of money out of nowhere.

 

[freedombecki]

Chris "Name calling is all you guys have left."

OK, I'll start. How's this: "Ex-President Barack Obama"

 

[AmericanFirst]

CrusaderFrank, have you ever seen a Marxist? Do they look different than others?

The most amazing thing about these threads is the fact they have no connection to reality. Words come to mean whatever the poster's mind makes them to be. So we could just as easily say, 'this is how asparagus came to control the democrats.' See how easy it is to think like a right wingnut. Just make a word into whatever you like and presto all thought is abandoned. No wonder in power they fail so badly.

"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office."

"The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe

.

I have seen a marxist, I just saw him again at the White House press podium pushing more of his bullshit. Alan Wolfe? Really? Humpf.

Bin Laden dead.

Gaddafi dead.

The economy, roaring back.

Name calling is all you guys have left.

Obama will be re-elected.

The economy is not roaring back, more lefty delusional lies. Bin Laden is dead on standing orders from Bush, giving a fool like obamaturd credit for that is stupid. Qaddafi would have died with out obamaturds unconstitutional intervening anyway. You are lying not crusaderfrank.

 

[Chris]

I have seen a marxist, I just saw him again at the White House press podium pushing more of his bullshit. Alan Wolfe? Really? Humpf.

Bin Laden dead.

Gaddafi dead.

The economy, roaring back.

Name calling is all you guys have left.

Obama will be re-elected.

The economy is not roaring back, more lefty delusional lies. Bin Laden is dead on standing orders from Bush, giving a fool like obamaturd credit for that is stupid. Qaddafi would have died with out obamaturds unconstitutional intervening anyway. You are lying not crusaderfrank.

21 straight months of private sector job growth.

Obama is the job creator.

 

[tenthertoo]

In 1963 the Communists went on record as to how they were going to get control of the Democrat Party and its apparent they've succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. It's important we review their successful takeover, great victories are always worthy of study and praise. ................................

I've probably been watching it going on longer than CF has and his post is absolutely RIGHT ON.

 

[Photonic]

CrusaderFrank is lying again. I wonder why he does it. Is he paid to do it, do you think?

He is not lying.

And that, folks, automatically makes anything you apply it to absolutely true.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Next you're going to give us the list of hyper christian right wing radicals that have hijacked your own party right?


No, you wouldn't do that. It wouldn't serve your purpose.

That's Neo-Marxists crap. We haven't turned back any part of the Progressive agenda in over 100 years. But it makes you feel good to spout it because you are a thoughtless little puppet

 

[Dragon]

CrusaderFrank is lying again. I wonder why he does it. Is he paid to do it, do you think?

He is not lying.

If not, then he's a moron. YOU'RE a moron. He, I believe, is lying.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CrusaderFrank is lying again. I wonder why he does it. Is he paid to do it, do you think?

Communists in Vietnam and China have an open embrace of Free Markets and they have prospered.

The American left is to the economic left of real Communists.

Calling me a "liar" for pointing that out won't change anything about it

 

[Dragon]

CrusaderFrank is lying again. I wonder why he does it. Is he paid to do it, do you think?

Communists in Vietnam and China have an open embrace of Free Markets and they have prospered.

The American left is to the economic left of real Communists.

Calling me a "liar" for pointing that out won't change anything about it

It's all a bunch of lies, nonetheless, for the obvious reason that to the extent that "Communists" have embraced capitalism they have ceased to be Communists, and therefore that the American left is to the left of these guys does NOT mean they are to the left of "real Communists."

You're not such a stupid person that you can't figure this out. Therefore, you are a liar.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Anyone want to remind him of the geographic and demographic makeup of the democratic party in 1963?

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

When I am new to a forum and I see a link to Rense, I immediately check the poster's post count to see just how rabid a loon they are.

I looked at yours and...hoo boy.

The Congressional Record is a problem for you? really?

 

[Dragon]

Anyone want to remind him of the geographic and demographic makeup of the democratic party in 1963?

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

The Myth of JFK as Supply Side Tax Cutter - US News and World Report

The notion of Kennedy as supply-side forerunner is a powerful myth, but it is a myth. Context is key. Conservatives love to quote a speech Kennedy gave at the Economic Club of New York in December 1962. Here's one quote—I've italicized the crucial part often left out: "Our present tax system, developed as it was, in good part, during World War II to restrain growth, exerts too heavy a drag on growth in peace time; that it siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power; that it reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking." JFK was not expounding an implacable economic philosophy; he was speaking about a very specific circumstance. The top marginal tax rate was 91 percent, which JFK wanted reduced to a "more sensible" 65 percent. Compare that with today's 35 percent top rate, and ask: If supply-siders are so enamored of JFK's tax policies, would they advocate a return to a "more sensible" 65 percent top rate? Applying Kennedy's tax talk to the current structure, JFK biographer Robert Dallek says, is like comparing "apples and watermelons."

Another important piece of context is the thinking behind the tax cuts. Kennedy's economic policies were rooted in a Keynesian belief in the stimulative effects of budget deficits. While FDR and his aides had embraced countercyclical deficits as necessary in times of recession or depression, Kennedy was the first to advocate planned deficits in a time of neither war nor economic emergency. The aim was for the tax cuts to stimulate demand, driving the economy from the bottom up.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CrusaderFrank is lying again. I wonder why he does it. Is he paid to do it, do you think?

Communists in Vietnam and China have an open embrace of Free Markets and they have prospered.

The American left is to the economic left of real Communists.

Calling me a "liar" for pointing that out won't change anything about it

It's all a bunch of lies, nonetheless, for the obvious reason that to the extent that "Communists" have embraced capitalism they have ceased to be Communists, and therefore that the American left is to the left of these guys does NOT mean they are to the left of "real Communists."

You're not such a stupid person that you can't figure this out. Therefore, you are a liar.

It's your sense of betrayal that makes you lash out at me. Your older brothers in economic faith have abandoned you and all your fellow Democrats out in Lunatic FringeLand and have embraced Free Markets as a path to real prosperity.

In the Communist People Republic of Vietnam they used to import 1 million tons of rice annually to keep from starving to death (the end result of ever Progressive economy). Recently, they decided to allow farmers to tend to their farms and let them profit and run the farms however they thought best. The Communist People Republic is now the world second largest exporter of rice on the planet.

Same people, same climate (maybe a little warmer because of manmade global warming), but they left Obamanomics on the ash heap of history.

You are to the left of real Communists.

Deal with it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Anyone want to remind him of the geographic and demographic makeup of the democratic party in 1963?

JFK advocated tax cuts, Obama advocated State control and redistribution.

We're you trying to underscore the OP? Thank you

The Myth of JFK as Supply Side Tax Cutter - US News and World Report

The notion of Kennedy as supply-side forerunner is a powerful myth, but it is a myth. Context is key. Conservatives love to quote a speech Kennedy gave at the Economic Club of New York in December 1962. Here's one quote—I've italicized the crucial part often left out: "Our present tax system, developed as it was, in good part, during World War II to restrain growth, exerts too heavy a drag on growth in peace time; that it siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power; that it reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking." JFK was not expounding an implacable economic philosophy; he was speaking about a very specific circumstance. The top marginal tax rate was 91 percent, which JFK wanted reduced to a "more sensible" 65 percent. Compare that with today's 35 percent top rate, and ask: If supply-siders are so enamored of JFK's tax policies, would they advocate a return to a "more sensible" 65 percent top rate? Applying Kennedy's tax talk to the current structure, JFK biographer Robert Dallek says, is like comparing "apples and watermelons."

Another important piece of context is the thinking behind the tax cuts. Kennedy's economic policies were rooted in a Keynesian belief in the stimulative effects of budget deficits. While FDR and his aides had embraced countercyclical deficits as necessary in times of recession or depression, Kennedy was the first to advocate planned deficits in a time of neither war nor economic emergency. The aim was for the tax cuts to stimulate demand, driving the economy from the bottom up.

"A rising tide lifts all boats" -- JFK. Economic Conservative, Supply sider

 

[Dragon]

It's your sense of betrayal that makes you lash out at me.

No, it's your lies, of which many more are found in this post.

Your older brothers in economic faith have abandoned you

First lie. I have no "older brothers in economic faith." If I did, they would certainly not include foreign Communists.

You are to the left of real Communists.

Second lie. Real Communists are to the left of me.

You are a liar.

 

[Dragon]

"A rising tide lifts all boats" -- JFK. Economic Conservative, Supply sider

History News Network

On the basis of what I have found, the famous rising tide metaphor appeared in two Kennedy speeches, neither of which had anything to do with wealth or taxation. One was a speech on August 17, 1962, in Pueblo, Colorado, on the Fryingpan-Arkansas Project, a TVA-like federal public works program of dams, reservoirs, and power plants. Kennedy said:

What I preach is the interdependence of the United States. We are not 50 countries—we are one country of 50 states and one people. And I believe that those programs which make life better for some of our people will make life better for all of our people. A rising tide lifts all the boats. And as Colorado moves ahead, as your steel mill produces, it is benefiting all the people, as they are benefiting you.

he second speech was occasioned by a similar public works project--“Remarks in Heber Springs, Arkansas, at the Dedication of Greers Ferry Dam,” October 3, 1963:

These projects produce wealth, they bring industry, they bring jobs, and the wealth they bring wealth to other sections of the United States. This State had about 200,000 cars in 1929. It has a million cars now. They weren't built in this State. They were built in Detroit. As this State's income rises, so does the income of Michigan. As the income of Michigan rises, so does the income of the United States. A rising tide lifts all the boats and as Arkansas becomes more prosperous so does the United States and as this section declines so does the United States. So I regard this as an investment by the people of the United States in the United States.

It is richly ironic that both of these speeches celebrated the kind of governmental pump-priming that are anathema to supply-siders like Laffer, and that the context of the rising tide metaphor is more socialistic than capitalistic. So if these are in fact the only occasions on which Kennedy used the phrase, Laffer, along with countless other conservatives who equate it with enabling the rich to get richer, would seem to be egregiously dishonest in twisting it into a rationalization for the skyrocketing disparity between the wealthiest individuals and everyone else in America over the past three decades.

Or, in other words, they were lying. As are you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's your sense of betrayal that makes you lash out at me.

No, it's your lies, of which many more are found in this post.

Your older brothers in economic faith have abandoned you

First lie. I have no "older brothers in economic faith." If I did, they would certainly not include foreign Communists.

You are to the left of real Communists.

Second lie. Real Communists are to the left of me.

You are a liar.

Dragon is a text book example of what I'm describing in the OP.

Democrats are clearly to the left of real Communists yet he insists that I'm a "liar" and his reason is that the Communists in Vietnam and China are no longer real Communists. (Are you now or have you ever openly embraced Free Markets?) Therefore, even though Democrats adhere to their failed economic model it is a "lie" for me to say that the Chinese and Vietnamese are really Communists.

The American left is to the left of real Communists but the "lie" apparently is to refer to them as Communists.

How's this: the American left is economically to the left of the Vietnamese and Chinese who are Communists except in their new embrace of free markets and entrepreneurship?

Feel any better?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Next you're going to give us the list of hyper christian right wing radicals that have hijacked your own party right?


No, you wouldn't do that. It wouldn't serve your purpose.

That's Neo-Marxists crap. We haven't turned back any part of the Progressive agenda in over 100 years. But it makes you feel good to spout it because you are a thoughtless little puppet

You like to get ass raped by black men in clown suits.

PROVE ME WRONG

You might to go back to using your time more wisely like trying to find the right vacuum cleaner attachment to fit over your penis