How many deaths are necessary before something should be banned?

[Auld Phart]

Keep avoiding the Fentanyl analogy.
It's "Kills your Claim"

If you 'ingest/get shot' by a bullet, the bullet can cause enough damage to cause death.

If you 'ingest/touch/smoke fentanyl, the fentanyl can cause enough damage to cause death.

If you leave the guns/bullets/fentanyl on the Counter, none will kill you.

 

[progressive hunter]

Keep avoiding the Fentanyl analogy.
It's "Kills your Claim"

If you 'ingest/get shot' by a bullet, the bullet can cause enough damage to cause death.

If you 'ingest/touch/smoke fentanyl, the fentanyl can cause enough damage to cause death.

If you leave the guns/bullets/fentanyl on the Counter, none will kill you.

I am ignoring it because its a dumb comparison,,

one is an inanimate object that needs a human to use it,,

the other is a highly active drug that in some cases even touching it can cause harm or death,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

Try this again with supporting documentation and evidence.
The narrative: 30,000 people die due to guns, guns should be banned.
Drunk Driving kills 13,000. Does that number have to get to 30,000 before we ban alcohol again?

The right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the 2nd Amendment, is not subject to means end-testing.
That is, it does not matter how many people die from firearms -- they cannot be banned.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No one wants to ban guns.

A llie.

We want background checks and common sense regulations.

The regulations you seek violate the constitution
As it makes no sense to violate the constitution, there's no sense to them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

See my point?

Yes.
You are dishonestly trying to equate a right protected by the constitution with a privilege granted by the state.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You mean the one most responsible for mass death incidents?

Handguns?
Handguns cannot be banned.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That would be assault weapons

That would be a lie.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No crazy people WITH guns do.

And it’s so much easier to inflict mass death with assault weapons

Of all the "mass death" shootings -- a term with no actual meaning -- only one could not have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

 

[2aguy]

What? Don't bring up stolen guns when we're talking about background checks. That's just a distraction from the topic. Background checks.

What do you mean when you said
the only reason you want them is to come back and demand gun registration....the true goal.
Huh? The only reason I want background checks is to demand gun registration? Fuck yes. Everyone should register their guns. Are you afraid the government will use that list to round up your guns?

2. Yes you can buy a gun at a gun show, skip the background check and get a gun. Stop allowing this. You want a gun from a show? Then go tell the cops. Give them the serial number and they'll make sure that gun hasn't been used in a crime.

And pass a law straw purchases will not be tolerated. If you sell a gun to someone and you don't go through the process and they commit a crime, you go to jail too.

This legislation will help lower the number of school shooters

Parents of Michigan high school shooter Ethan Crumbley will go to trial, judges rule​

Ethan Crumbley, then 15, killed four students in the Oxford High School attack.

a three-judge panel with the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled.

Jennifer and James Crumbley have pleaded not guilty to four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the Nov. 30, 2021 mass shooting at Oxford High School.

I bet you and the NRA wouldn't have charged the parents.

Every government that has registered guns has come back and used those lists to ban and then confiscate those guns....every single one.

There is no gun show loophole.......commercial sellers have to do a mandatory, Federal background check. If you are a private individual and you sell your personal property, and you are not a business....you can sell your personal property anywhere you want.....

You are a dumb shit.....straw purchases are already felonies, you dope.....

Did the parents tell the kid to do the shooting? You guys love punishing the innocent while releasing the guilty.

 

[whitehall]

Ban alcohol (but not marijuana) and ban cigarette smoking and ban certain speech that doesn't go along with a political agenda. The solution is easy, just change the Constitution.

 

[Lesh]

Of all the "mass death" shootings -- a term with no actual meaning -- only one could not have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

Oh bullshit. A shot gun holds six rounds before reloading and kicks like a mule.

An assault weapon holds 30 or more, reloads fast and has almost no kick… meaning it fires pretty accurately with the twitch of a finger

 

[Lesh]

Handguns?
Handguns cannot be banned.

Semi auto with detachable mags certainly can

 

[Lesh]

Define "assault weapon".

Let’s go with a semi-auto magazine Fed weapon firing military rounds

 

[M14 Shooter]

Oh bullshit. A shot gun holds six rounds before reloading and kicks like a mule.

6 rounds before reloading
Kicks like a mule
When you're the only one with a gun, it doesn't matter.
Save Las Vegas 2017, you cannot specify a single "mass death" shootings -- a term with no actual meaning -- and demonstrate it could not have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Semi auto with detachable mags certainly can

The USSC disagrees with you.
This means you are wrong.
Something you should be used to.

 

[Lesh]

The USSC disagrees with you.
This means you are wrong.
Something you should be used to.

A right wing court disagrees with me?

We’ll we need to change the make up of the court then don’t we… or this madness will continue

 

[M14 Shooter]

Let’s go with a semi-auto magazine Fed weapon firing military rounds

Like this.

And this.

Oh, and this:

And this:

And this:

All "assault weapons", according to you.

Right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

A right wing court disagrees with me?

They get to the make the decision, and you don't get to ignore them.
Thus, you choose to be wrong.

We’ll we need to change the make up of the court then don’t we…

Until then, you choose to be wrong.

 

[Lesh]

6 rounds before reloading
Kicks like a mule
When you're the only one with a gun, it doesn't matter.
Save Las Vegas 2017, you cannot specify a single "mass death" shootings -- a term with no actual meaning -- and demonstrate it could not have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.

When Gabby Giffords was shot in the head they were able to subdue the shooter when he was reloading.

That is when the shooter is vulnerable so yeah.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When Gabby Giffords was shot in the head they were able to subdue the shooter when he was reloading.
That is when the shorter is vulnerable so yeah.

As I said:
Save Las Vegas 2017, you cannot specify a single "mass death" shootings -- a term with no actual meaning -- and demonstrate it could not have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.
Thanks for the proof.