CDZ How did Islam fall so far behind?

[Sunni Man]

Yet.....we need to point out some things..............Ramadan fasting by pregnant women harms prenatal development

Yes...............They make pregnant women participate in that idiocy, too? Wow, just wow.

Incorrect.

Pregnant muslim women are Not required to fast during the month of Ramadan. ...

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Yet.....we need to point out some things..............Ramadan fasting by pregnant women harms prenatal development

Yes...............They make pregnant women participate in that idiocy, too? Wow, just wow.

Incorrect.

Pregnant muslim women are Not required to fast during the month of Ramadan. ...

Fasting during Ramadan is compulsory in the Muslim faith. Although pregnant women may be exempted, many still choose to fast because of a confluence of social, religious and cultural factors.

 

[emilynghiem]

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Well, it should be pointed out first of all that Saudia Arabia seems to be trying to modernize ....at least to some extent.

Yet.....we need to point out some things..............Ramadan fasting by pregnant women harms prenatal development

Yes...............They make pregnant women participate in that idiocy, too? Wow, just wow.

I used to work with an Iranian....very likeable and quite educated but steeped in Jew Hatred and he was not shy about it....he would talk about it without any qualms. I have seen others like this....they simply cannot understand how everyone does not share this with them.

I would add inbreeding to the list and the fact that Islam, thanks to its pure Bedouin provenance, is just anti-intellectual period.

The “Islamic Golden Age” consisted of a bunch of Persians who hadn’t been totally ground down yet.

Islam, the Barbaric Religion

Why Did the Islamic World Fall So Far Behind?

Dear TheGreenHornet
I notice the greater strength in self-policing, self-govt and economic growth when people respect both the Christian principles for checking the church against corruption/abuse and the Constitutional principles for checking govt.

Whether in America, where corporate entities began bypassing constitutional checks on govt by claiming rights of individuals while exercising unequal collective resources and influence on public policy,
or liberals began overriding or ignoring Constitutional limits on govt duties and authority in making decisions instead of respecting individual choice;

or whether in countries that don't have as strong a Constitutional or Christian base as the central respect for authority,
then selfish political motives can hijack public policy and govt
and wreak all kinds of havoc against the consent and will of the people.

people complain as much about the backtracking going on in America as well that risked losing the advantages we have with both a strong Christian and Constitutional foundation in our culture. as soon as the liberals started bypassing and undercutting this "as the enemy" we suffered more and more chaos and lawlessness, with people not respecting the authority of law.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yet.....we need to point out some things..............Ramadan fasting by pregnant women harms prenatal development

Yes...............They make pregnant women participate in that idiocy, too? Wow, just wow.

Incorrect.

Pregnant muslim women are Not required to fast during the month of Ramadan. ...

Dear Sunni Man I have noted from your past msgs and responses
that you also respect Constitutional authority and don't put Muslim beliefs or traditions above the law of the land. I am friends with Mustafaa Carroll who heads CAIR in Houston who reads and respects the Bible and remains aligned with Christian pastors including Christians within his own family without issue.

But what about Muslims who don't share common respect for either Christian or Constitutional authority and principles?

Can you see how military or political power in the hands of Muslims who put their beliefs above either Constitutional or Christian authority of law would get out of hand quickly?

That's what people refer to when blaming Muslims for "enabling" Jihadists and terrorists for going overboard with fundamentalism and abuse of govt and military power. We need to check against abuses of either church or state authority, so if Muslims won't listen to each other using Islamic laws then it helps to invoke either Christian or Constitutional laws to stop abuses.

Would you agree it makes a difference if Muslims adherents respect either Constitutional or Christian authority equally as their own Muslim beliefs?

 

[Sunni Man]

Fasting during Ramadan is compulsory in the Muslim faith. Although pregnant women may be exempted, many still choose to fast because of a confluence of social, religious and cultural factors.

If a pregnant muslim woman decides to fast during Ramadan, it's a personal decision, and Not a mandatory requirement of the religion. ...

 

[Sunni Man]

This seems to be a new fad here in America.

Where is the outrage? ....

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Fasting during Ramadan is compulsory in the Muslim faith. Although pregnant women may be exempted, many still choose to fast because of a confluence of social, religious and cultural factors.

If a pregnant muslim woman decides to fast during Ramadan, it's a personal decision, and Not a mandatory requirement of the religion. ...

Yes, but I wonder what the norm is in those small muslim communities? Is there any pressure put on pregnant women there to also fast during Ramadan? Would muslims not believe that Allah would protect them? Would it seem to strict Muslims that such women who choose not to fast are lacking faith in Allah? Just curious. Thanks for your response.

 

[Sunni Man]

Not "overthrow", "transcend". Once the human spirit is free, 'society' can only follow.

Atheistic communism taught that same philosophy / ideology.

And hundreds of millions of people died world wide as the result. ...

 

[TheGreenHornet]

This seems to be a new fad here in America.

Where is the outrage? ....

Well, such behavior I think is very,very rare...but no doubt some women of all faiths do things during pregnancy that might harm the fetus....and I would not be supprised if that there is a greater percentage of western women that do things during their pregnacy that might harm the fetus than there are women in the muslim world who might do such a thing....such as smoking, drinking, doping etc. So your point is well taken and those of us who are critical of Islam should be more careful with our statements. Despite the violence that exists in the world of Islam...there are positive things about their beliefs.....not eating pork, abstaining from alcohol, etc.

20 health tips from Islamic teachings - The Express Tribune

I always try to go where the truth leads.

 

[Sunni Man]

Yes, but I wonder what the norm is in those small muslim communities? Is there any pressure put on pregnant women there to also fast during Ramadan? Would muslims not believe that Allah would protect them? Would it seem to strict Muslims that such women who choose not to fast are lacking faith in Allah? Just curious. Thanks for your response.

Imam's have universally ruled that pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers are Not required to fast during Ramadan.

Also, the elderly, children, and people who are sick, are exempt from fasting.

Qur'an [2:184] Specific days (are designated for fasting); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.

 

[otto105]

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Well, it should be pointed out first of all that Saudia Arabia seems to be trying to modernize ....at least to some extent.

Yet.....we need to point out some things..............Ramadan fasting by pregnant women harms prenatal development

Yes...............They make pregnant women participate in that idiocy, too? Wow, just wow.

I used to work with an Iranian....very likeable and quite educated but steeped in Jew Hatred and he was not shy about it....he would talk about it without any qualms. I have seen others like this....they simply cannot understand how everyone does not share this with them.

I would add inbreeding to the list and the fact that Islam, thanks to its pure Bedouin provenance, is just anti-intellectual period.

The “Islamic Golden Age” consisted of a bunch of Persians who hadn’t been totally ground down yet.

Islam, the Barbaric Religion

Why Did the Islamic World Fall So Far Behind?

It's a conservative religion based on authoritarian conservative worship.

 

[Toronado3800]

The best hope for arabs is that they are very intelligent....unfortunately they have been enslaved by islam for generations. Is it possible to change that?


The Devil wants to destroy, and Islam destroys everything that is not in line with their beliefs. Islam enslaves and oppresses. Christianity edifies (builds up), liberates, and makes one free.

Amend that a bit to say, "Some parts of modern splintered and declawed christianity edifies, liberates and helps make people free."

I heard some stories once about some christians (and Catholics, lets be fair). But yeah, 21st century christianity looks better than 21st century islam.

Interesting though, when christianity was 14 centuries old it looked pretty much as terrible as islam did at 13 centuries of age.

Newsflash....we live today in the 21st century. How many do you think gives a rat's ass what islam was like 13 centuries ago. Yet politicians seem not to understand that....as in George Bush trotting around the globe proclaiming Islam is a peaceful religion.

History is just important to me. hopefully the smaller world speeds up their growth.

 

[Sunni Man]

Dear Sunni Man I have noted from your past msgs and responses that you also respect Constitutional authority and don't put Muslim beliefs or traditions above the law of the land. I am friends with Mustafaa Carroll who heads CAIR in Houston who reads and respects the Bible and remains aligned with Christian pastors including Christians within his own family without issue.

Just as long as the government doesn't pass a law requiring American muslims to eat pork or drink alcohol.

I'm good...... ...

 

[Sunni Man]

But what about Muslims who don't share common respect for either Christian or Constitutional authority and principles?

That would be just a small number of American muslims. ...

You should be more concerned with the tens of thousands of Antifa, BLM, socialists, communists, gang members, anarchists, and other radical leftist miscreants, who have no respect for anyone or anything.

 

[Leo123]

But what about Muslims who don't share common respect for either Christian or Constitutional authority and principles?

That would be just a small number of American muslims. ...

You should be more concerned with the tens of thousands of Antifa, BLM, socialists, communists, gang members, anarchists, and other radical leftist miscreants, who have no respect for anyone or anything.

I think most sensible folks realize that Muslims are not all radicals bent on the destruction of Western civilization. Many are our neighbors, store owners, etc. Yet, Americans are leery of the theocracy element in the religion.. We escaped Catholic church/patrician rule and rule by royalty and set up America. The revolt against theocratic rule is still felt after these hundreds of years. Neo-Marxism is indeed a huge threat because, even though not a religion, it acts like one because it is all belief. There has never been a successful Neo-Marxist society but they think that if they somehow believe it will suddenly spring up. So far it never has.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

But what about Muslims who don't share common respect for either Christian or Constitutional authority and principles?

That would be just a small number of American muslims. ...

You should be more concerned with the tens of thousands of Antifa, BLM, socialists, communists, gang members, anarchists, and other radical leftist miscreants, who have no respect for anyone or anything.

Certainly they do not get the attention that is needed mainly due to the fact we have too many leftwing politicians.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

The best hope for arabs is that they are very intelligent....unfortunately they have been enslaved by islam for generations. Is it possible to change that?


The Devil wants to destroy, and Islam destroys everything that is not in line with their beliefs. Islam enslaves and oppresses. Christianity edifies (builds up), liberates, and makes one free.

Amend that a bit to say, "Some parts of modern splintered and declawed christianity edifies, liberates and helps make people free."

I heard some stories once about some christians (and Catholics, lets be fair). But yeah, 21st century christianity looks better than 21st century islam.

Interesting though, when christianity was 14 centuries old it looked pretty much as terrible as islam did at 13 centuries of age.

Newsflash....we live today in the 21st century. How many do you think gives a rat's ass what islam was like 13 centuries ago. Yet politicians seem not to understand that....as in George Bush trotting around the globe proclaiming Islam is a peaceful religion.

History is just important to me. hopefully the smaller world speeds up their growth.

Of course history is very important....I just do not think any period of Islamic history should be a measuring stick so to speak for the current situation we are confronted with regarding Islamic Jihadists. Though there is much in Islamic history we need to learn--especially how they have never deviated from their desire to spread their religious ideology by any means whatsoever including violence.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Yes, but I wonder what the norm is in those small muslim communities? Is there any pressure put on pregnant women there to also fast during Ramadan? Would muslims not believe that Allah would protect them? Would it seem to strict Muslims that such women who choose not to fast are lacking faith in Allah? Just curious. Thanks for your response.

Imam's have universally ruled that pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers are Not required to fast during Ramadan.

Also, the elderly, children, and people who are sick, are exempt from fasting.

Qur'an [2:184] Specific days (are designated for fasting); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.

I am familiar with the benefits of fasting....something that Americans need to be made more aware of especially since we have a huge epidemic of fat folks.

7 Benefits of Fasting + the Best Types of Fasting - Dr. Axe

 

[irosie91]

The Mu

We can only hope that the information science has already provided us will help to transcend the limitations established religions impose on the human spirit.

After you're done "overthrowing the religion" -- you'd have the same negative restraints on Arab countries induced by their long standing culture. Islam developed OUT of that culture. And Islam codified that culture into law by the rise of theocracies.

Islam (THE RELIGION) is not confined to arab countries or
societies that harbor traditional arab social customs or
social structures.

 

[there4eyeM]

Religions will not be overthrown, they will simply fall by the wayside as collapsed fantasies, like childhood belief in Santa Claus.
The truth of human spiritual power will take its proper place.