How are we going to stop the liberal war on free speech and conservative voices?

[K9Buck]

There was once a time when American liberals said that, while I don't agree with your view, I'll fight till the death for your right to express it. Liberals no longer have this attitude.

Was that back when American conservatives understood what freedom of speech meant?

Is it your view that the American left SUPPORTS the concept of conservatives being able to express themselves?

It's my view both sides are utterly full of shit. On the one hand, we've got a bunch of conservatives whining about discrimination and their free speech being violated by private companies. And on the other, we have liberals gloating over companies censoring their content - something that would have them howling if the tables were turned.

Bunch of shallow, unprincipled idiots near as I can tell.

I know that some conservative speakers have required armies of security to protect them and event attendees from mobs of violent liberals bent on preventing or disrupting a speaking event. I haven't seen the same happening to liberal speakers.

Twitter, Facebook, etc. are indeed private companies and are entitled to censor whatever they like. We're also free to note that the aforementioned companies are not "tolerant" nor "inclusive" nor supportive of free speech.

 

[IsaacNewton]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Find your safespace snowflake. I thought you believed your '2nd amendment rights' would pertect you from, whatever is the fear du jour for cons is these days.

 

[HenryBHough]

Those are private companies who can choose whether to do business with anyone. Unless, of course, they're conservatives who are required to do do business with queers of all stripes, trannies and gemerally confused liberals provided those libbies are not white.

But, for now, nobody is mandated to do business with them. Something Obama FAILED to consider when He was throwing around government mandates.

 

[K9Buck]

Find your safespace snowflake.

That's funny. A snowflake calling another a snowflake because this thread hurt his delicate twat.

 

[Moonglow]

You don't deserve the protections this nation affords you. You are part of the problem.

Maybe you should have been a vet instead of a convict and you'd know better..

 

[Harpy Eagle]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

 

[martybegan]

Youtube isn't a government program. They are free to allow or disallow what ever they want. Today's version of Amos and Andy are free to post anything they want, and spout whatever they want to spout. Youtube just doesn't care to help them promote it.

Cop out. The OP didn't say government censorship, he was talking about the progressive inability to tolerate dissenting viewpoints.

And it was facebook for the two black women being silenced, not youtube.

If you are going to be a fascist twat at least get your facts straight.

 

[martybegan]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

 

[dblack]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

It's an inability that most of our population suffers from.

I'm fine with calling them out for being closed-minded, and quite illiberal. But I think it's dangerous to conflate PC censorship, done by private citizens and business, as a violation of free speech. And not just as a technical legal matter. A media outlet making decisions about what it will, and won't, publish IS free speech. It's just free speech you disagree with.

That said, the anger of the culture wars is fueling fascist yearnings on both sides. It's a real danger.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

 

[TNHarley]

Then tell conservatives to stay off youtube. Other sites to watch music and cat videos exist.

 

[martybegan]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

It's an inability that most of our population suffers from.

I'm fine with calling them out for being closed-minded, and quite illiberal. But I think it's dangerous to conflate PC censorship, done by private citizens and business, as a violation of free speech. And not just as a technical legal matter. A media outlet making decisions about what it will, and won't, publish IS free speech. It's just free speech you disagree with.

That said, the anger of the culture wars is fueling fascist yearnings on both sides. It's a real danger.

The problem is places like facebook and youtube and twitter, aren't the media in the traditional sense, they are more of a form of an electronic commons that takes the place of the old village square.

I know it goes against my libertarian leanings, but I almost think it's time to treat these places AS public commons, and thus obligated to protect the Rights of people using them, just as government would protect the village square.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Then tell conservatives to stay off youtube. Other sites to watch music and cat videos exist.

That is the correct response!

 

[martybegan]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

I disagree. You don't see rightist groups stopping leftist speakers, you don't see progressive videos being taken down in the same way as conservative/libertarian ones.

I think most progressive ideas are idiotic, but I have no desire to stop people from spewing them out if they so choose.

Progressives have been shown to be far less accommodating of ideas they don't like.

 

[dblack]

The problem is places like facebook and youtube and twitter, aren't the media in the traditional sense, they are more of a form of an electronic commons that takes the place of the old village square.

I know it goes against my libertarian leanings, but I almost think it's time to treat these places AS public commons, and thus obligated to protect the Rights of people using them, just as government would protect the village square.

This is always the excuse for government encroachment on free speech. Liberals are quite familiar with it as a tactic. Conservatives are learning. Libertarians have no excuse.

 

[TNHarley]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

I disagree. You don't see rightist groups stopping leftist speakers, you don't see progressive videos being taken down in the same way as conservative/libertarian ones.

I think most progressive ideas are idiotic, but I have no desire to stop people from spewing them out if they so choose.

Progressives have been shown to be far less accommodating of ideas they don't like.

IMHO? Righties will talk shit about the opposition. The left will silence them.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

From colleges to YouTube and now Diamond & Silk on Facebook.
Facebook to Diamond and Silk: Your content, brand ‘dangerous to the community’

Two conservative black women being targeted as a "danger to the community"

Seriously? Gtfo with this stupidity. They only thing they are a danger to is your oppression of conservative voices.

This shit has to be put to bed. Further segmenting our society & suppressing their voice is not the way you win a political debate.
Challenge them, argue with them, present them with an opposing view but to just outright silence them?

Just proves to me that the left are increasingly alarmed that their grasp on the media & their ability to force the conversation in a certain direction are under threat. They are clearly scared to death of free speech.

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

I disagree. You don't see rightist groups stopping leftist speakers, you don't see progressive videos being taken down in the same way as conservative/libertarian ones.

I think most progressive ideas are idiotic, but I have no desire to stop people from spewing them out if they so choose.

Progressives have been shown to be far less accommodating of ideas they don't like.

IMHO? Righties will talk shit about the opposition. The left will silence them.

We have a "rightie" president that has openly spoken of shutting down a news network he does not like.

 

[TNHarley]

Why is it the partisans cannot grasp that free speech is a function of the Govt, not of private companies.

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

I disagree. You don't see rightist groups stopping leftist speakers, you don't see progressive videos being taken down in the same way as conservative/libertarian ones.

I think most progressive ideas are idiotic, but I have no desire to stop people from spewing them out if they so choose.

Progressives have been shown to be far less accommodating of ideas they don't like.

IMHO? Righties will talk shit about the opposition. The left will silence them.

We have a "rightie" president that has openly spoken of shutting down a news network he does not like.

I dont think trump is a "righty" at all
Have you got a link for that? I havent heard about that

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why can't you grasp that the OP is talking about the general inability of progressives to even tolerate opposing viewpoints?

Yeah, and it is just the progressives...please. The idiots on both ends of the spectrum are basically identical.

I disagree. You don't see rightist groups stopping leftist speakers, you don't see progressive videos being taken down in the same way as conservative/libertarian ones.

I think most progressive ideas are idiotic, but I have no desire to stop people from spewing them out if they so choose.

Progressives have been shown to be far less accommodating of ideas they don't like.

IMHO? Righties will talk shit about the opposition. The left will silence them.

We have a "rightie" president that has openly spoken of shutting down a news network he does not like.

I dont think trump is a "righty" at all
Have you got a link for that? I havent heard about that

I agree with you actually about Trump not being a rightie, but he was put into office by them.

Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

 

[martybegan]

The problem is places like facebook and youtube and twitter, aren't the media in the traditional sense, they are more of a form of an electronic commons that takes the place of the old village square.

I know it goes against my libertarian leanings, but I almost think it's time to treat these places AS public commons, and thus obligated to protect the Rights of people using them, just as government would protect the village square.

This is always the excuse for government encroachment on free speech. Liberals are quite familiar with it as a tactic. Conservatives are learning. Libertarians have no excuse.

It's not an excuse, it's a realistic view of what platforms like twitter and facebook have become.

And I'm small "l" libertarian, not "big L" so I am not opposed to government oversight, especially when said oversight is to enforce something like first amendment protections.