House OKs Plan to Withdraw US Troops

[roadhouse158]

Well I was being a little facetious, but in the same light; Maybe not every year for President, but every two years. Maybe this will lead to more action, knowing they have to actually deliver now...Not just waste time.

 

[trobinett]

Lot of dancing going on here people.

The simple fact is, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR ENEMIES WHEN YOUR LEAVING, period, end of story.

Make up excuses, lay out plans, form coalitions, sugar coat it, convince yourselves anyway you want too, ITS WRONG, and a sure receipt for disaster.

 

[mattskramer]

Lot of dancing going on here people.

The simple fact is, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR ENEMIES WHEN YOUR LEAVING, period, end of story.

Make up excuses, lay out plans, form coalitions, sugar coat it, convince yourselves anyway you want too, ITS WRONG, and a sure receipt for disaster.

You can tell your “enemies” and “friends” when you are going to leave – particularly when you are the third party in a civil war on land that does not belong to you – particularly when recent polls suggest that the general public on that land does not care for you to stay. I think that we should tell Iraq that we killed the dictator and helped it create a new government. We hand-held it while it established a police force. So, it is time for us to leave.

 

[lieberalism]

voting every year would make congress do even less than they do now. people were starting to campaign for the 08 election 2+ years before 08. voting every year would mean that the day after an election the campaigns start again. and everyone would be a lame duck all the time. they made it long so that they can actually (try) to do something

 

[red states rule]

Congress can only pull funding from the military operation, they cannot pass legislation to remove troops, the president would just veto it. There are not enough votes in congress to override a veto on that type of legislation

The Dems are still flopping around like a fish on a hook

 

[maineman]

Lot of dancing going on here people.

The simple fact is, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR ENEMIES WHEN YOUR LEAVING, period, end of story.

do you think if we left without telling them, that they wouldn't figure it out on their own within a day or two?

and do you really think that staying in Iraq for six months or six years longer will make the sunnis and shiites who live there stop wanting to kill one another and dominate the other and rule Iraq? Do you really think that six more years or sixty more years of American occupation will cause those sects who have been fighting for 1200 years to stop that fight and want to join together to form a multicultural jeffersonian democracy on the banks of the euphrates that will shine like a beacon of freedom? really? why would anyone think that such an endeavor would have any realistic chance of success?

 

[lieberalism]

liberalism: never having to think

 

[maineman]

liberalism: never having to think

yet another pithy non-sensical, irrelevant aphorism. Why am I not surprised?

 

[ReillyT]

liberalism: never having to think

Really, is that the best you can do? Even by the standards of irrelevant trash-talking, that was pretty weak.

 

[lieberalism]

trash talking? just sticking to some facts.

liberals support surrender legislation daily.

 

[red states rule]

do you think if we left without telling them, that they wouldn't figure it out on their own within a day or two?

and do you really think that staying in Iraq for six months or six years longer will make the sunnis and shiites who live there stop wanting to kill one another and dominate the other and rule Iraq? Do you really think that six more years or sixty more years of American occupation will cause those sects who have been fighting for 1200 years to stop that fight and want to join together to form a multicultural jeffersonian democracy on the banks of the euphrates that will shine like a beacon of freedom? really? why would anyone think that such an endeavor would have any realistic chance of success?

The NY Times and the rest of the liberal media would publish a timetable, complete with maps and photos

The enemy could not miss it

 

[red states rule]

yet another pithy non-sensical, irrelevant aphorism. Why am I not surprised?

The description fits, eh?

 

[mattskramer]

The NY Times and the rest of the liberal media would publish a timetable, complete with maps and photos

The enemy could not miss it

That is another classic dodge and refusal to answer straight questions.

 

[red states rule]

That is another classic dodge and refusal to answer straight questions.

Your right, I left out how Matt Lauer and Meredith Vieira would do a remote along the highways in Iraq and bring live coverage of the US surrender and retreat

 

[maineman]

Do you really think that staying in Iraq for six months or six years longer will make the sunnis and shiites who live there stop wanting to kill one another and dominate the other and rule Iraq?

Do you really think that six more years or sixty more years of American occupation will cause those sects who have been fighting for 1200 years to stop that fight and want to join together to form a multicultural jeffersonian democracy on the banks of the euphrates that will shine like a beacon of freedom?

really?

why would anyone think that such an endeavor would have any realistic chance of success?

(unless, of course, their love of the republican party overshadowed their love of America and they were willing to continue to flush men and dollars down the drain rather than admit they had miscalculated)

 

[red states rule]

Do you really think that staying in Iraq for six months or six years longer will make the sunnis and shiites who live there stop wanting to kill one another and dominate the other and rule Iraq?

Do you really think that six more years or sixty more years of American occupation will cause those sects who have been fighting for 1200 years to stop that fight and want to join together to form a multicultural jeffersonian democracy on the banks of the euphrates that will shine like a beacon of freedom?

really?

why would anyone think that such an endeavor would have any realistic chance of success?

(unless, of course, their love of the republican party overshadowed their love of America and they were willing to continue to flush men and dollars down the drain rather than admit they had miscalculated)

As thwe terrorists watch the Defeatocrats waste time and push for surrender - they see a victory over America via the Dems (something they could not achieve fighting the US military)

The voters are watching as well

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=49712

 

[maineman]

As thwe terrorists watch the Defeatocrats waste time and push for surrender - they see a victory over America via the Dems (something they could not achieve fighting the US military)

The voters are watching as well

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=49712

why do you never answer questions?

 

[red states rule]

why do you never answer questions?

The troops and Commanders on the ground say they are winning

You and your party do not want them win - it would hurt you politically

 

[red states rule]

Article or Editorial? Times Talks of Desperate Bush Admin, U.S. 'Mired' in Iraq
By Mark Finkelstein | July 18, 2007 - 06:55 ET
As straight news articles go, it was a heck of an editorial that appeared on the front page of yesterday's New York Times. The ostensible subject of Bush to Bolster Abbas and Seek Peace Talks was President Bush's announcement Monday of "a regional peace conference this fall to be led by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that would include high-level Arab envoys and their counterparts from Israel and the Palestinian West Bank."
All well and good. But in the course of the article, author Helene Cooper managed to work in these two swipes at the Bush administration:

The planned meeting, the first of its kind in Mr. Bush’s presidency, signals another pivotal shift for an administration that is desperately seeking some kind of foreign policy victory in the volatile Middle East that would draw attention away from the war in Iraq.

But now the United States is mired in Iraq and looking for a way to build good will among Arab allies that have pushed for America to re-engage in Middle East peace talks.

A bit of Googling reveals that author Helene Cooper is also a member of . . . the Times editorial board. Perhaps someone should remind Ms. Cooper that editorials are, at least in theory, confined to the editorial page. Then again, we are talking about the New York Times.

http://newsbusters.org/node/14177

 

[maineman]

The troops and Commanders on the ground say they are winning

good for them. now answer my questions, please.

Do you really think that staying in Iraq for six months or six years longer will make the sunnis and shiites who live there stop wanting to kill one another and dominate the other and rule Iraq?

Do you really think that six more years or sixty more years of American occupation will cause those sects who have been fighting for 1200 years to stop that fight and want to join together to form a multicultural jeffersonian democracy on the banks of the euphrates that will shine like a beacon of freedom?